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Old 30-01-2012, 10:42 PM
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Default Gear Change pops!?

How do you get them! would you get it set up to run a bit richer or am i being a retard want to pop like this on gear changes

Old 30-01-2012, 11:19 PM
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Id say thats either his rev limiter or perhaps anti lag
Old 31-01-2012, 08:24 AM
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just fuel being ignited in the exhaust after overrun.
Old 31-01-2012, 09:16 AM
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even the black one?? i rarely get a gear change pop out of mine rarely really get pops do i need to just get it setup at 15 psi and over fuel slightly?
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The last thing you want is your engine making pops and bangs backfiring on an MFi setup.
Old 31-01-2012, 11:32 AM
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oh right why is it so bad for MFI to do that??
Old 31-01-2012, 04:00 PM
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As above, more than likely anti lag or launch control! don't want to be hitting the limiter on mfi though!!

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Old 31-01-2012, 04:02 PM
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Flat shift will do it everytime (like a rally car) but you wont get that on MFI! lol
I dont know what Jano is on about either, unburnt fuel igniting in the exhaust is no different on MFI to EFI, in fact your more likely to get it on an MFI RST running big boost then on EFI because you cannot map the fuelling properly.
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Originally Posted by Karlos G
Flat shift will do it everytime (like a rally car) but you wont get that on MFI! lol
I dont know what Jano is on about either, unburnt fuel igniting in the exhaust is no different on MFI to EFI, in fact your more likely to get it on an MFI RST running big boost then on EFI because you cannot map the fuelling properly.
Im not sure, but i think some people say that backfires can knock the mfi unit out of cal, I've never seen it personally, but thats why the flap will lift up past its seat, to allow for backfires.

But like you say, flat shift all the way
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You think a backfire will backup pressure all the way through the turbo, head, inlet, TB and back to the metering unit? Wouldnt of thought that possible, although I dont actually know.
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im under the assumption the more boost and fuel you run the more pops and bangs you will get? does anyone on here get some gear change pops or some nice pops and bangs in general..

With regard to knocking the fueling out i hit the limiter in 2nd and it took the fueling down quite a lot
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Yes because when you let off the will be a certain amount of unburnt fuel make it's way out the exhaust and if it's hot enough it will ignite, the more boost you run the more fuel is needed so the more there is available to chuck out the back! I was peaking at 32psi and got the occasional pop but because I'm EFI and mapped correctly it didnt happen very often.
I dont see why hitting the limiter will alter your fuelling (it shouldnt do anyway) unless there is something wrong.
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Originally Posted by Karlos G
You think a backfire will backup pressure all the way through the turbo, head, inlet, TB and back to the metering unit? Wouldnt of thought that possible, although I dont actually know.
No its more of an inlet backfire, I've had this many times with carbs, its quite alarming when your leaning across an engine adjusting the carb with out the filter on and you get a big flash back lol

This happens with LPG cars too, they even have a flap in the air box to allow the pressure to escape.

But as for it 'knocking' the mfi unit out i don't know.

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A neutral plate position is normally level with the bottom of the cone, this is adjustable by bending a small clip / spring that acts as a stop at the bottom of the unit. The purpose of this spring is to allow the flap to move beyond its neutral position to allow excessive pressure to escape if the engine was to backfire, passing a large volume of air back into the air filter housing.
If the system did not have this facility the pressure could split or blow off the rubber air trunking. Any splits or ill fitting air hoses that allow unmonitored air into the engine require rectification.
Taken from http://www.auto-solve.com/mech_inj.htm

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Oh I see! So the air/fuel mix in the chambers ignites with the inlet valves open I guess, is this caused by fuel igniting in the exhaust then? I cant really picture how it works.
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mine pops and bangs away but only as i've cut my advance when i lift off so nothing to ignite the fuel so it does it in the turbo etc
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Originally Posted by project rs
mine pops and bangs away but only as i've cut my advance when i lift off so nothing to ignite the fuel so it does it in the turbo etc
How safe is that for the car? I think I might go for some launch control at the moment
Old 04-02-2012, 08:42 PM
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not a problem at all and launch control does a similar thing in retarding your ignition and creating a rev limit to sit at ready to go
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Originally Posted by project rs
not a problem at all and launch control does a similar thing in retarding your ignition and creating a rev limit to sit at ready to go
so how do you cut the advance exactly??
Old 05-02-2012, 02:17 PM
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i'm on megasquirt so simply a case of going into the map and reducing the advance at the appropriate cells there's a screen shot of it somewhere i posted once
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oh I'm on mfi so not gonna happen i thought there was like a wire i could cut haha
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