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11-09-2009, 08:43 PM
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11-09-2009, 09:55 PM
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this is a bloody good thread,carnt wait to see how it all plays out,who's gonna be right,have the 'experts' missed something stareing them in the face,will morph break into the top three,who will be eating a large portion of humble pie?..........
either way its good for the rest of us who want to take our cars to the next level but still want to keep it 1600.........
either way its good for the rest of us who want to take our cars to the next level but still want to keep it 1600.........
a t3 will never make 300 genuine HP on a 1600
12-09-2009, 11:05 AM
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your not very confident in yourself
prove me wrong the now,why do i need to wait,u still tryin to figure out how etch a sketch works to make your graph
christian cant get 300 from a t3,tim couldnt get 300 from a t3,AVA cant get 300 from a t3,karl norris cant get 300 from a t3 but morph can. or should that be jamsport can get 300 from a t3,why didnt stu collins run a t3 then instead of the truck turbo he's got on now.you may fool the homies down at mcdonalds with your special turbo talk but theres a lot of people on here with a lot of knowledge of tuning rst's,ffs you could tell me comp ratio from a comp test so seriously your knowledge is minimal,my 11year old even knows you cant tell comp ratio from a compression test.coming on here biggin up your car its obvious people want to see proof.but its the internet its full of shit chattin,and until theres solid proof your car makes 300bhp then its hearsay.
im asking myself why do i need to wait???maybe ur hopin this dies down and goes away or maybe your changing turbo's to get 300 and get that alusive graph we've all been waiting for,then you can prove youve got 300,but not on a t3,christian offered you a free rr session and u chickened out yet u were willing to bet money to others,thing is christian would know fine well what turbo u have got on with lookin and then he'd have the proof to post,which i assume woldmake u look a bigger cock
your spec points to a good 250-270bhp,but thats only if thats your spec and you really do own a car
prove me wrong the now,why do i need to wait,u still tryin to figure out how etch a sketch works to make your graph
christian cant get 300 from a t3,tim couldnt get 300 from a t3,AVA cant get 300 from a t3,karl norris cant get 300 from a t3 but morph can
. or should that be jamsport can get 300 from a t3,why didnt stu collins run a t3 then instead of the truck turbo he's got on now.you may fool the homies down at mcdonalds with your special turbo talk but theres a lot of people on here with a lot of knowledge of tuning rst's,ffs you could tell me comp ratio from a comp test so seriously your knowledge is minimal,my 11year old even knows you cant tell comp ratio from a compression test.coming on here biggin up your car its obvious people want to see proof.but its the internet its full of shit chattin,and until theres solid proof your car makes 300bhp then its hearsay.im asking myself why do i need to wait???maybe ur hopin this dies down and goes away or maybe your changing turbo's to get 300 and get that alusive graph we've all been waiting for,then you can prove youve got 300,but not on a t3,christian offered you a free rr session and u chickened out yet u were willing to bet money to others,thing is christian would know fine well what turbo u have got on with lookin and then he'd have the proof to post,which i assume woldmake u look a bigger cock
your spec points to a good 250-270bhp,but thats only if thats your spec and you really do own a car
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christian cant get 300 from a t3,tim couldnt get 300 from a t3,AVA cant get 300 from a t3,karl norris cant get 300 from a t3 but morph can . or should that be jamsport can get 300 from a t3,
. or should that be jamsport can get 300 from a t3,
im asking myself why do i need to wait???
christian offered you a free rr session and u chickened out yet u were willing to bet money to others,thing is christian would know fine well what turbo u have got on with lookin and then he'd have the proof to post,which i assume woldmake u look a bigger cock
your spec points to a good 250-270bhp,but thats only if thats your spec and you really do own a car
thats worse than me thinking that you could measure CR by comp tests!
13-09-2009, 11:14 AM
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no i am trying to get the graphs from the tuner to me then scanned to the pc and then uploaded which isn't as easy as you think especally as i dont have a scanner and the tuners printer is not working + he's 75 miles away from me so i can't just run to him to get these graphs just to show some internet joker(YOU) who can't wait any longer!
If my tuner says he can then why should i say otherwise? would it be better that i tell you my car is 260bhp but then post a graph up showing 303bhp would that not look a bit sus?
https://passionford.com/forum/ford-e...mated-bhp.html
when did i chicken out? i said that i was willing to pay my own dyno at apt as long as he was willing to wage 250! he turned me down and now you say i am chicken? get your facts right before posting such nonsense!
And you can tell that by looking at my spec? thats worse than me thinking that you could measure CR by comp tests!
thats worse than me thinking that you could measure CR by comp tests!
i still stand by my comment that a t3 wont do 300 genuine HP,id even say that a t3 wouldnt do a genuine 280 never mind 300
just wake up and smell the shit your shovelin
13-09-2009, 11:34 AM
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Yup I agree, maybe with really good mapping, headwork, cams, etc. you can squeeze a bit more but Turbo Techincs only rate their Stage 3 to 280bhp.
S107 Ford Escort RS Turbo Stage 3
Power output 210-280 BHP
Boost 15-28 PSI
7° cutback T3 turbine assembly
360° screwed thrust bearing
From Turbo Technics website.
S107 Ford Escort RS Turbo Stage 3
Power output 210-280 BHP
Boost 15-28 PSI
7° cutback T3 turbine assembly
360° screwed thrust bearing
From Turbo Technics website.
13-09-2009, 11:36 AM
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dont get me started on jamsport
you take a car there that makes good power built somewhere else, but it makes pretty low bhp now its there and jamies telling you that you need one of his manifolds etc , but suddenly if its built by them with the same spec it makes a magic 50 bhp jump in power
you take a car there that makes good power built somewhere else, but it makes pretty low bhp now its there and jamies telling you that you need one of his manifolds etc , but suddenly if its built by them with the same spec it makes a magic 50 bhp jump in power
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13-09-2009, 05:23 PM
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dont get me started on jamsport
you take a car there that makes good power built somewhere else, but it makes pretty low bhp now its there and jamies telling you that you need one of his manifolds etc , but suddenly if its built by them with the same spec it makes a magic 50 bhp jump in power
you take a car there that makes good power built somewhere else, but it makes pretty low bhp now its there and jamies telling you that you need one of his manifolds etc , but suddenly if its built by them with the same spec it makes a magic 50 bhp jump in power
13-09-2009, 05:26 PM
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Yup I agree, maybe with really good mapping, headwork, cams, etc. you can squeeze a bit more but Turbo Techincs only rate their Stage 3 to 280bhp.
S107 Ford Escort RS Turbo Stage 3
Power output 210-280 BHP
Boost 15-28 PSI
7° cutback T3 turbine assembly
360° screwed thrust bearing
From Turbo Technics website.
S107 Ford Escort RS Turbo Stage 3
Power output 210-280 BHP
Boost 15-28 PSI
7° cutback T3 turbine assembly
360° screwed thrust bearing
From Turbo Technics website.
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13-09-2009, 06:02 PM
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Morph if you think boost pressure has anything to do with what BHP you make then you need to read up a bit mate!
One car may make 300bhp @ 20psi, another @ 25psi, another @ 30psi, etc..etc...
Boost pressure is a byproduct of your engines VE and your target BHP nothing more, it cannot be used as a 'meassuring stick'
But it isnt what I think anyway.... if TT state their Stage 3 cant flow enough for 300bhp how is it you or anyone else knows better??
One car may make 300bhp @ 20psi, another @ 25psi, another @ 30psi, etc..etc...
Boost pressure is a byproduct of your engines VE and your target BHP nothing more, it cannot be used as a 'meassuring stick'
But it isnt what I think anyway.... if TT state their Stage 3 cant flow enough for 300bhp how is it you or anyone else knows better??
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13-09-2009, 10:52 PM
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14-09-2009, 06:34 PM
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Morph if you think boost pressure has anything to do with what BHP you make then you need to read up a bit mate!
One car may make 300bhp @ 20psi, another @ 25psi, another @ 30psi, etc..etc...
Boost pressure is a byproduct of your engines VE and your target BHP nothing more, it cannot be used as a 'meassuring stick'
But it isnt what I think anyway.... if TT state their Stage 3 cant flow enough for 300bhp how is it you or anyone else knows better??
One car may make 300bhp @ 20psi, another @ 25psi, another @ 30psi, etc..etc...
Boost pressure is a byproduct of your engines VE and your target BHP nothing more, it cannot be used as a 'meassuring stick'
But it isnt what I think anyway.... if TT state their Stage 3 cant flow enough for 300bhp how is it you or anyone else knows better??
then there is the compressor side to consider.
you can get over 300bhp out of a t3, but you need more displacement and good VE, higher compression engines will get you there.
14-09-2009, 07:00 PM
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Care to comment on how incorrect Mark shead is or not now?
still stand by what you say? even though you dont have a 300bhp car?
15-09-2009, 02:28 PM
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mark shead doesnt have a rolling road and i very much doubt mark would build a 300bhp 1600 rst and use a t3
not to mention 6/7 year back 300bhp was unheard of in the rst world,we still dont know nigels spec so cant make judgement.he could come on and say it was a chipped cammed and air filter 300bhp or ran a 2.1 zvh,we just dont knowjust because it made 300 on a rolling road doesnt mean mark built a 300bhp engine,hence my which rolling road was it rollered on,bit like the evo boys that remap theres and have a miraculous 400/400 motor or the chipped rst's makin 200bhp,they may make 200bhp on certain rolling roads but doesnt mean its 200bhp,rolling roads figs are always debateable,gettin 300 genuine bhp from a 1600 t3'd rst is not
theres a good post in GD the now about a cossie makin 450bhp on a dastek roller,renowned for over reading,now he could come on and say ive got a 450bhp cossie using a t4 with 25psi,but no he knoiws his turnips and knows the figures wrong,unlike some people who keep beleivin theres
btw morph what is your wheel figure for your alleged 300 bhp motor
whats me having a 300bhp car got to do with getting 300 from a 1600rst,mark shead doesnt have a 800bhp cossie but his knowledge on them is second to none
oh and check the for sale section,got a nice 300+ motor in there for sale
we do have one thing common,we've both never owned a 300bhp rst
my rsts best power was 230 odds @wheels but ran a solid 210+,i have the proof to back up my 210 which could easily be translated to 280 bhp flywheel on a dastek roller,does that make my rst 280,afraid not as it was run on scotlands best and most accurate rolling road,not scotlands kindest rolling road,ava are renowned for people leaving not happy due to not makin the power they thought they had,an example from top of my head was my mates escos,made 270@wheels at ava which is a good 330 bhp motor,follwing week made 320+ n a dastek rollers and near 400bhp at fly.bit of a difference there,yet he was happy to tell people it made 270@wheels
u talk about 300bhp as if its something,ffs there makin hot hatches with 300bhp these days as standard,theres more than me and t28 doubtin you,re read dthe thread,christian who has a 300bhp rst and tim who also have a 300bhp rst think its bullshit too,if anyone could get 300 from a t3'd rst it would be karl norris,the daddy of the rst's,guess what he cant,why???cos it cant be done
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15-09-2009, 04:30 PM
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mark shead doesnt have a rolling road and i very much doubt mark would build a 300bhp 1600 rst and use a t3 not to mention 6/7 year back 300bhp was unheard of in the rst world,we still dont know nigels spec so cant make judgement.he could come on and say it was a chipped cammed and air filter 300bhp or ran a 2.1 zvh,we just dont know
just because it made 300 on a rolling road doesnt mean mark built a 300bhp engine,hence my which rolling road was it rollered on,bit like the evo boys that remap theres and have a miraculous 400/400 motor or the chipped rst's makin 200bhp,they may make 200bhp on certain rolling roads but doesnt mean its 200bhp,rolling roads figs are always debateable,gettin 300 genuine bhp from a 1600 t3'd rst is not
theres a good post in GD the now about a cossie makin 450bhp on a dastek roller,renowned for over reading,now he could come on and say ive got a 450bhp cossie using a t4 with 25psi,but no he knoiws his turnips and knows the figures wrong,unlike some people who keep beleivin theres
btw morph what is your wheel figure for your alleged 300 bhp motor
whats me having a 300bhp car got to do with getting 300 from a 1600rst,mark shead doesnt have a 800bhp cossie but his knowledge on them is second to none
oh and check the for sale section,got a nice 300+ motor in there for sale
we do have one thing common,we've both never owned a 300bhp rst
my rsts best power was 230 odds @wheels but ran a solid 210+,i have the proof to back up my 210 which could easily be translated to 280 bhp flywheel on a dastek roller,does that make my rst 280,afraid not as it was run on scotlands best and most accurate rolling road,not scotlands kindest rolling road,ava are renowned for people leaving not happy due to not makin the power they thought they had,an example from top of my head was my mates escos,made 270@wheels at ava which is a good 330 bhp motor,follwing week made 320+ n a dastek rollers and near 400bhp at fly.bit of a difference there,yet he was happy to tell people it made 270@wheels
u talk about 300bhp as if its something,ffs there makin hot hatches with 300bhp these days as standard,theres more than me and t28 doubtin you,re read dthe thread,christian who has a 300bhp rst and tim who also have a 300bhp rst think its bullshit too,if anyone could get 300 from a t3'd rst it would be karl norris,the daddy of the rst's,guess what he cant,why???cos it cant be done
not to mention 6/7 year back 300bhp was unheard of in the rst world,we still dont know nigels spec so cant make judgement.he could come on and say it was a chipped cammed and air filter 300bhp or ran a 2.1 zvh,we just dont knowjust because it made 300 on a rolling road doesnt mean mark built a 300bhp engine,hence my which rolling road was it rollered on,bit like the evo boys that remap theres and have a miraculous 400/400 motor or the chipped rst's makin 200bhp,they may make 200bhp on certain rolling roads but doesnt mean its 200bhp,rolling roads figs are always debateable,gettin 300 genuine bhp from a 1600 t3'd rst is not
theres a good post in GD the now about a cossie makin 450bhp on a dastek roller,renowned for over reading,now he could come on and say ive got a 450bhp cossie using a t4 with 25psi,but no he knoiws his turnips and knows the figures wrong,unlike some people who keep beleivin theres
btw morph what is your wheel figure for your alleged 300 bhp motor
whats me having a 300bhp car got to do with getting 300 from a 1600rst,mark shead doesnt have a 800bhp cossie but his knowledge on them is second to none
oh and check the for sale section,got a nice 300+ motor in there for sale
we do have one thing common,we've both never owned a 300bhp rst
my rsts best power was 230 odds @wheels but ran a solid 210+,i have the proof to back up my 210 which could easily be translated to 280 bhp flywheel on a dastek roller,does that make my rst 280,afraid not as it was run on scotlands best and most accurate rolling road,not scotlands kindest rolling road,ava are renowned for people leaving not happy due to not makin the power they thought they had,an example from top of my head was my mates escos,made 270@wheels at ava which is a good 330 bhp motor,follwing week made 320+ n a dastek rollers and near 400bhp at fly.bit of a difference there,yet he was happy to tell people it made 270@wheels
u talk about 300bhp as if its something,ffs there makin hot hatches with 300bhp these days as standard,theres more than me and t28 doubtin you,re read dthe thread,christian who has a 300bhp rst and tim who also have a 300bhp rst think its bullshit too,if anyone could get 300 from a t3'd rst it would be karl norris,the daddy of the rst's,guess what he cant,why???cos it cant be done
mark shead doesn't own a rolling road? what the fcuk has that got to do with him building a 300bhp rst or an 800bhp cossie?
you seriously are a muppet and what makes me laugh your car doesn't even make 300bhp and yet you know for a fact mine doesn't
Now its blame the rolling road!
if your are thinking that ava rollers are a true representation of what your cars makes compared to another set of rollers on a different day you are such an chav!
even the same rollers will read different results on different days!
15-09-2009, 04:41 PM
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He we go, mark shead doesn't build 300bhp rs turbos? ok mate is suppose i will believe!
mark shead doesn't own a rolling road? what the fcuk has that got to do with him building a 300bhp rst or an 800bhp cossie?
you seriously are a muppet and what makes me laugh your car doesn't even make 300bhp and yet you know for a fact mine doesn't
Now its blame the rolling road!
if your are thinking that ava rollers are a true representation of what your cars makes compared to another set of rollers on a different day you are such an chav!
even the same rollers will read different results on different days!
mark shead doesn't own a rolling road? what the fcuk has that got to do with him building a 300bhp rst or an 800bhp cossie?
you seriously are a muppet and what makes me laugh your car doesn't even make 300bhp and yet you know for a fact mine doesn't
Now its blame the rolling road!
if your are thinking that ava rollers are a true representation of what your cars makes compared to another set of rollers on a different day you are such an chav!
even the same rollers will read different results on different days!
and im a bit old to be a chav
i asked for 200@wheels and got that,doesnt mean i have no knowledge of what it takes to tune an rs turbo,and i stripped my rs turbo years ago,moved to bigger and better
anyway ive said enough of the matter AM OUT
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15-09-2009, 04:48 PM
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who gives a shit!! got to brunts and do a top speed run if you crack 160mph you have around 300hp or go the pod and do a 1/4 mile if you crack 115+ then you have about 300hp .rolling roads are a tool nothing more !! all i use one for is to see where my power and torque is make changes go back and see if i have a better power band and a better torque curve,not to see how manny hp i have .
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fucking hell what a waste of time, the only stupid thing i can think of is if i wanted 300bhp in a rst, god knows why they are bad enough at 200bhp i would go the zetec turbo route, cheaper more reliable and a lot nicer to drive
all imo of course
i would go the zetec turbo route, cheaper more reliable and a lot nicer to drive all imo of course
15-09-2009, 05:44 PM
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15-09-2009, 06:38 PM
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theres been several threads in the past about mark shead not touching rs turbo's as there too much trouble to him and directing people to karl norris instead,sayin that i read that on the internet so good chance its bollox like a lot of other stuff u read on the internet
15-09-2009, 06:59 PM
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must be special for him to do it,doubt its your normal chip filter rs thats being built
theres been several threads in the past about mark shead not touching rs turbo's as there too much trouble to him and directing people to karl norris instead,sayin that i read that on the internet so good chance its bollox like a lot of other stuff u read on the internet
theres been several threads in the past about mark shead not touching rs turbo's as there too much trouble to him and directing people to karl norris instead,sayin that i read that on the internet so good chance its bollox like a lot of other stuff u read on the internet
i have heard enough! the list is just unreal:
1st it's T3 can't make 300bhp!
2nd DD rollers are the only true reading rollers
3rd Mark Shead doesn't tune rs turbos
4th normall chip and filter thats been built? when we clearly are talking 300bhp!
5th I read it on the internet!
I think peeps can start making up they own mind!
At least when i stated my car was making 300bhp from a T3 i clearly stated that this was made on my tuners rollers and thats what he told me!
Now whos a bullshitter? erm... not me!
REMEMBER THIS:
here's that pie i said you would be eating! START MUNCHING IT!
15-09-2009, 07:05 PM
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So now your basing your FACTS by posts found in web forums?
i have heard enough! the list is just unreal:
1st it's T3 can't make 300bhp!
2nd DD rollers are the only true reading rollers
3rd Mark Shead doesn't tune rs turbos
4th normall chip and filter thats been built? when we clearly are talking 300bhp!
5th I read it on the internet!
I think peeps can start making up they own mind!
At least when i stated my car was making 300bhp from a T3 i clearly stated that this was made on my tuners rollers and thats what he told me!
Now whos a bullshitter? erm... not me!
REMEMBER THIS:
here's that pie i said you would be eating! START MUNCHING IT!
i have heard enough! the list is just unreal:
1st it's T3 can't make 300bhp!
2nd DD rollers are the only true reading rollers
3rd Mark Shead doesn't tune rs turbos
4th normall chip and filter thats been built? when we clearly are talking 300bhp!
5th I read it on the internet!
I think peeps can start making up they own mind!
At least when i stated my car was making 300bhp from a T3 i clearly stated that this was made on my tuners rollers and thats what he told me!
Now whos a bullshitter? erm... not me!
REMEMBER THIS:
here's that pie i said you would be eating! START MUNCHING IT!
facts remain ur boostin at 3k and full boost by 3700 on a 300bhp build,and made ur power on a rr that over reads by a good margin
last reply am not even lookin at this thread again so i dont reply again lol
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