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s2 erst just been rebuilt
rebore 0.5 oversized mahle pistons
polished the crank and new shells
stage 2 head
stage 2 t3 from cr turbos
standard for cam
gotech engine managment
scorpion full system exhaust 4 inch tip
radtec fmic with kenlow fans
dv26 dump valve
approx what bhp should i be looking at wen i go to get it setup in jamsport?
rebore 0.5 oversized mahle pistons
polished the crank and new shells
stage 2 head
stage 2 t3 from cr turbos
standard for cam
gotech engine managment
scorpion full system exhaust 4 inch tip
radtec fmic with kenlow fans
dv26 dump valve
approx what bhp should i be looking at wen i go to get it setup in jamsport?
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my old s2 had a bog standard head and bottom end,just had a kent cam,vernier pulley,chip,pace intercooler and runnin 14 psi.built and set up by jamie at jamsport and that made 210bhp and 226lb ft torque!!
thats on mfi management aswell.
so with the spec this chap has it will make more as long as engine is healthy.
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IMO, a Stage 2 T3 is on its knee's at 225bhp and it will only go that far with a very good map.
D4nny8oy on here has approximately the same spec as you, but with a Newman solid lifter cam and VEMS management and that makes 225bhp, but I mean a proper 225bhp (measured on an accurate Dyno). From memory, its around 190bhp at the wheels. It's running moderate boost and I strongly believe it's limiting factor is the exhaust housing.
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IMO, a Stage 2 T3 is on its knee's at 225bhp and it will only go that far with a very good map.
D4nny8oy on here has approximately the same spec as you, but with a Newman solid lifter cam and VEMS management and that makes 225bhp, but I mean a proper 225bhp (measured on an accurate Dyno). From memory, its around 190bhp at the wheels. It's running moderate boost and I strongly believe it's limiting factor is the exhaust housing.
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Bit of a pointless thread really (no offence to you nickrsturbo1990), so many variables determine your BHP including rolling roads...... RR 'a' will say 250bhp and RR 'b' will say 190BHP whilst RR 'c' will say 225BHP.
Also as Chirstian says a Stage 2 T3 is only rated to about 220bhp (according to Turbo Technics and CR Turbo's) so anything over that and I would imagine the RR is being 'generous'.
I think all you need to know is that it will make good power and be lots of fun to drive mate!![](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/roi.gif)
But i'll still be interested to see your print out when it's been setup!![Big Grin](https://passionford.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
Good luck on the day mate!
Also as Chirstian says a Stage 2 T3 is only rated to about 220bhp (according to Turbo Technics and CR Turbo's) so anything over that and I would imagine the RR is being 'generous'.
I think all you need to know is that it will make good power and be lots of fun to drive mate!
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But i'll still be interested to see your print out when it's been setup!
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Good luck on the day mate!
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From memory;
Low comp pistons
Shot peened standard rods
Lightened and balanced bottom end
ARP rod bolts
Stage 2 polished and ported head
Kent CVH35 cam & vernier pulley
Stage 2 T3 hybrid turbo
ERL 5th injector
Pace full width intercooler
Scorpion exhaust
25psi of boost
The figure was recorded on a Dyno Dynamics rolling road at SCC Performance. The figure was repeated on 2 or 3 occasions with near identical results. We added a .48 exhaust housing and we managed to get it up to 256bhp
Low comp pistons
Shot peened standard rods
Lightened and balanced bottom end
ARP rod bolts
Stage 2 polished and ported head
Kent CVH35 cam & vernier pulley
Stage 2 T3 hybrid turbo
ERL 5th injector
Pace full width intercooler
Scorpion exhaust
25psi of boost
The figure was recorded on a Dyno Dynamics rolling road at SCC Performance. The figure was repeated on 2 or 3 occasions with near identical results. We added a .48 exhaust housing and we managed to get it up to 256bhp
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the stage2 t3 is at its limit as said but doesnt mean it wont flow more,it just wont last very long.
think a few people should read up on gotec and wot jamie has to say about it.it is an awesome bit of kit and is being fitted to jamies own demo car(read performance ford).
lot of people have different opinions about rolling roads.jamie is one of the best at tuning rs turbos and knows exactly wot to do to get the best out of them.
and alot of people seem to think it takes alot to get 200bhp out of an rs turbo.
i had a brand new bottom end from jamsport costing 1200quid,jamie put my standard cvh head on it ,added vernier pulley, a kent cam,unlimited boost BBR chipped ecu,double capacity pace intercooler,scorpion exhaust.
that car made 210bhp and 226lb ft torque @ 14 psi of boost on jamies rolling road,
also managed a 14.4 quarter mile time and terminal of 99mph.
so do some people not believe these figures?
cos its not a big spec by any means!
think a few people should read up on gotec and wot jamie has to say about it.it is an awesome bit of kit and is being fitted to jamies own demo car(read performance ford).
lot of people have different opinions about rolling roads.jamie is one of the best at tuning rs turbos and knows exactly wot to do to get the best out of them.
and alot of people seem to think it takes alot to get 200bhp out of an rs turbo.
i had a brand new bottom end from jamsport costing 1200quid,jamie put my standard cvh head on it ,added vernier pulley, a kent cam,unlimited boost BBR chipped ecu,double capacity pace intercooler,scorpion exhaust.
that car made 210bhp and 226lb ft torque @ 14 psi of boost on jamies rolling road,
also managed a 14.4 quarter mile time and terminal of 99mph.
so do some people not believe these figures?
cos its not a big spec by any means!
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it is an awesome bit of kit and is being fitted to jamies own demo car(read performance ford).
When you state read performance ford as evidence of it being an awesome bit of kit, im not aware that they have done direct comparisons against other ECU's with regards to functionality such as transient fuelling.
lot of people have different opinions about rolling roads.jamie is one of the best at tuning rs turbos and knows exactly wot to do to get the best out of them.
and alot of people seem to think it takes alot to get 200bhp out of an rs turbo.
i had a brand new bottom end from jamsport costing 1200quid,jamie put my standard cvh head on it ,added vernier pulley, a kent cam,unlimited boost BBR chipped ecu,double capacity pace intercooler,scorpion exhaust.
that car made 210bhp and 226lb ft torque @ 14 psi of boost on jamies rolling road,
also managed a 14.4 quarter mile time and terminal of 99mph.
so do some people not believe these figures?
cos its not a big spec by any means!
i had a brand new bottom end from jamsport costing 1200quid,jamie put my standard cvh head on it ,added vernier pulley, a kent cam,unlimited boost BBR chipped ecu,double capacity pace intercooler,scorpion exhaust.
that car made 210bhp and 226lb ft torque @ 14 psi of boost on jamies rolling road,
also managed a 14.4 quarter mile time and terminal of 99mph.
so do some people not believe these figures?
cos its not a big spec by any means!
Im more impressed with proven performance such as your 14.4 quarter if the Gotech is such a great bit of kit im just curious to know why the fastest CVH RS Turbo's in the country are not using it.
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I have to say that a 99mph terminal, in my opinion, isn't condusive with a proper 210bhp/226lbft car.
Also, management-wise, Jamie said himself the other day that there is no power to be made from one mappable management system to another and he is quite right to say that. In essence power is a combination of Air/Fuel/Boost/Spark and those things won't actually change whether its a Ł500 ECU or a Ł2000 ECU, what will change, however, is how effectively that ECU operates and consequently how 'friendly' the car is to tune. Each tuner has the preferences of what they map and we have tried most. In our experience, you REALLY do get what you pay for in most cases. With only one exception, we find that the low-priced ECU's are not as nice to map as the more expensive ones and as a result the map won't be as accurate and thorough.
I am good friends with Nick Thomas and have respect for Jamie, but I will make no secret of the fact that I DO NOT believe that his car could have ever made 257bhp on that standard engine/turbo on our Dyno. Or, let's put it another way, I don't believe that his car could have made within 100bhp of mine on the same day on our Dyno. That's not me gloating about mine, I am more referring to it as a comparison. Looking at it another way, if I took my car to the dyno that measured his at 257bhp, I think mine would have made more than 350bhp.
I think the subsequent gains were marginal by comparison, given the mods carried out, and most probably go further to discredit that original run if you ask me.
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so your saying jamies rollers are wrong?
why dont u ask jamie to prove the figures of nicks old s2 on your rollers?
would be interesting to see what figures are produced.jamies missus now has the use of the s2 so be worth u trying to sort something out i reckon mate.
cos alot of people never believed the figures stated by that s2.
ive just checked my quarter mile printout and i got terminal speed wrong ,my apologies. 14.4 quarter mile,terminal was 94mph, not 99mph.
why dont u ask jamie to prove the figures of nicks old s2 on your rollers?
would be interesting to see what figures are produced.jamies missus now has the use of the s2 so be worth u trying to sort something out i reckon mate.
cos alot of people never believed the figures stated by that s2.
ive just checked my quarter mile printout and i got terminal speed wrong ,my apologies. 14.4 quarter mile,terminal was 94mph, not 99mph.
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I'm quite happy to post my 248bhp graph if I can find it for people to pick holes in?
The car also did a 14.75 źmile @103mph with a boot full of subs and amps at this spec
The car also did a 14.75 źmile @103mph with a boot full of subs and amps at this spec
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so your saying jamies rollers are wrong?
why dont u ask jamie to prove the figures of nicks old s2 on your rollers?
would be interesting to see what figures are produced.jamies missus now has the use of the s2 so be worth u trying to sort something out i reckon mate.
cos alot of people never believed the figures stated by that s2.
ive just checked my quarter mile printout and i got terminal speed wrong ,my apologies. 14.4 quarter mile,terminal was 94mph, not 99mph.
why dont u ask jamie to prove the figures of nicks old s2 on your rollers?
would be interesting to see what figures are produced.jamies missus now has the use of the s2 so be worth u trying to sort something out i reckon mate.
cos alot of people never believed the figures stated by that s2.
ive just checked my quarter mile printout and i got terminal speed wrong ,my apologies. 14.4 quarter mile,terminal was 94mph, not 99mph.
If yours did 94mph terminal, then that puts it where I would have more imagined it to be power-wise, based on the spec. I would put that car at 175bhp.
Why not put me to the test?
Oranoco, I don't want to pull holes in your graphs really. I have nothing personal against you, you should know that already, I've known you for years! LOL. I just have my beliefs about what power these cars can do and have seen many things in terms of dyno methods etc.
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I know mate, it's all good. I'm always willing to listen and learn. and I find listening to another view point based on experience and knowledge (not pub BS) of interest and of use to develop my own knowledge and understanding.
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I'm not in this to fall out with anybody. But I have my beliefs based on my experiences. Nicks old S2 has gone through alot of changes since its 257bhp run, but I do remember them doing alot of work to it, including fitting a fancy custom-spec turbo and it made very little extra power on top of that, so that makes it even more likely that the original claim of 257bhp was an iffy run.
If yours did 94mph terminal, then that puts it where I would have more imagined it to be power-wise, based on the spec. I would put that car at 175bhp.
Why not put me to the test?
Oranoco, I don't want to pull holes in your graphs really. I have nothing personal against you, you should know that already, I've known you for years! LOL. I just have my beliefs about what power these cars can do and have seen many things in terms of dyno methods etc.
If yours did 94mph terminal, then that puts it where I would have more imagined it to be power-wise, based on the spec. I would put that car at 175bhp.
Why not put me to the test?
Oranoco, I don't want to pull holes in your graphs really. I have nothing personal against you, you should know that already, I've known you for years! LOL. I just have my beliefs about what power these cars can do and have seen many things in terms of dyno methods etc.
IIRC that 257bhp run was reapated 3 times!!
when my car was set up and made the 210bhp it was set up on optimax(not sure if it makes much difference)just thought id mention that.
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cant wait to see how much the car makes now
brought a magnetic sump plug and a baileys turbo inlet filter today to keep my nice new turbo clean lol
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yeah make sure u update this thread wen its rolling roaded mate.jamie will look after u.dont understand people that dont believe power figures..u will always get doubters tho
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You do know that 1/4 mile terminal speed relates directly to power-to-weight? I do a shit time in mine, as I always have, but my terminal speed is around 125mph.
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I disagree. With a good cam in a rebuilt engine, we ran D4nny8oys car and found that at around 1.2 bar of boost the engine was at its best. Raising the boost any higher generated high EGT's and NO more power. We came to the conclusion that the Exhaust housing was the restriction and it makes perfect sense.
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IMO, a Stage 2 T3 is on its knee's at 225bhp and it will only go that far with a very good map.
D4nny8oy on here has approximately the same spec as you, but with a Newman solid lifter cam and VEMS management and that makes 225bhp, but I mean a proper 225bhp (measured on an accurate Dyno). From memory, its around 190bhp at the wheels. It's running moderate boost and I strongly believe it's limiting factor is the exhaust housing.
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IMO, a Stage 2 T3 is on its knee's at 225bhp and it will only go that far with a very good map.
D4nny8oy on here has approximately the same spec as you, but with a Newman solid lifter cam and VEMS management and that makes 225bhp, but I mean a proper 225bhp (measured on an accurate Dyno). From memory, its around 190bhp at the wheels. It's running moderate boost and I strongly believe it's limiting factor is the exhaust housing.
I thought my ears felt rather warm today....
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