nickrsturbo1990

s2 erst just been rebuilt

rebore 0.5 oversized mahle pistons
polished the crank and new shells
stage 2 head
stage 2 t3 from cr turbos
standard for cam
gotech engine managment
scorpion full system exhaust 4 inch tip
radtec fmic with kenlow fans
dv26 dump valve

approx what bhp should i be looking at wen i go to get it setup in jamsport?

crazycage

about 250bhp

nickrsturbo1990

that much wow ill be happy with 200

Ebonycossie4x4

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250hp???

how did you arrive at that figure?

rickbartlett

id say at least 225bhp mate.with gotec and that spec

nickrsturbo1990

cool sounds good be well happy if its 200+

rickbartlett

200 is easily achieveable with a healthy engine mate.

SWITCHBLADE

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235-255bhp as your going to jamsport

dave.

westus1

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i think just over 200 is more realistic
its not a massive spec
but a good proper useable car by souds of it
shoulkd be a nice smooth powerband as well
good spec

rickbartlett

just over 200bhp??
my old s2 had a bog standard head and bottom end,just had a kent cam,vernier pulley,chip,pace intercooler and runnin 14 psi.built and set up by jamie at jamsport and that made 210bhp and 226lb ft torque!!
thats on mfi management aswell.
so with the spec this chap has it will make more as long as engine is healthy.

Christian and Beccy

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250BHP??!!

IMO, a Stage 2 T3 is on its knee's at 225bhp and it will only go that far with a very good map.

D4nny8oy on here has approximately the same spec as you, but with a Newman solid lifter cam and VEMS management and that makes 225bhp, but I mean a proper 225bhp (measured on an accurate Dyno). From memory, its around 190bhp at the wheels. It's running moderate boost and I strongly believe it's limiting factor is the exhaust housing.

Karlos G

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Bit of a pointless thread really (no offence to you nickrsturbo1990), so many variables determine your BHP including rolling roads...... RR 'a' will say 250bhp and RR 'b' will say 190BHP whilst RR 'c' will say 225BHP.
Also as Chirstian says a Stage 2 T3 is only rated to about 220bhp (according to Turbo Technics and CR Turbo's) so anything over that and I would imagine the RR is being 'generous'.

I think all you need to know is that it will make good power and be lots of fun to drive mate!
But i'll still be interested to see your print out when it's been setup!

Good luck on the day mate!

crazycage

didnt nicks old escort make 257bhp on a standard t3?? it had a ported head newman cam big cooler and gotech

Oranoco

Mine made 248bhp on a Stage 2 T3

Karlos G

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Just out of interest what was the rest of your spec and what RR was that on mate?
I'm running a Stage 2 T3 but have yet to be setup since fitting it and as I said above TT and CRT both say 220bhp is the max it can do!

Oranoco

From memory;

Low comp pistons
Shot peened standard rods
Lightened and balanced bottom end
ARP rod bolts
Stage 2 polished and ported head
Kent CVH35 cam & vernier pulley
Stage 2 T3 hybrid turbo
ERL 5th injector
Pace full width intercooler
Scorpion exhaust
25psi of boost

The figure was recorded on a Dyno Dynamics rolling road at SCC Performance. The figure was repeated on 2 or 3 occasions with near identical results. We added a .48 exhaust housing and we managed to get it up to 256bhp

Karlos G

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Thats really interesting!
I think the lightened and balanced bottom end must have made a big difference but still the T3 on a .36 did flow enough for 248bhp!

Thanks!

Christian and Beccy

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I'm sorry guys, but I still say 225bhp TOPS from a Stage 2 T3.

Karlos G

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Do you not think the lightening of the bottom end would make a big difference, surely that will release more power by reducing losses before the fly?

Christian and Beccy

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A difference yes, big difference, no.

Karlos G

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Fair play.

rickbartlett

the stage2 t3 is at its limit as said but doesnt mean it wont flow more,it just wont last very long.
think a few people should read up on gotec and wot jamie has to say about it.it is an awesome bit of kit and is being fitted to jamies own demo car(read performance ford).
lot of people have different opinions about rolling roads.jamie is one of the best at tuning rs turbos and knows exactly wot to do to get the best out of them.
and alot of people seem to think it takes alot to get 200bhp out of an rs turbo.
i had a brand new bottom end from jamsport costing 1200quid,jamie put my standard cvh head on it ,added vernier pulley, a kent cam,unlimited boost BBR chipped ecu,double capacity pace intercooler,scorpion exhaust.
that car made 210bhp and 226lb ft torque @ 14 psi of boost on jamies rolling road,
also managed a 14.4 quarter mile time and terminal of 99mph.
so do some people not believe these figures?
cos its not a big spec by any means!

Turbocabbie

In all reality I think it is unlikely that he would say anything negative about gotech as the importer and a fitter of the product range.
The fact that Jamie now uses a product that he sells on a car used to promote his services and products is not surprising now is it. I also do not think it has larger meaning than that.
When you state read performance ford as evidence of it being an awesome bit of kit, im not aware that they have done direct comparisons against other ECU's with regards to functionality such as transient fuelling.
What does jamie's ability to tune rs turbos have to do with rolling roads?
I have run my car on a number of different rolling roads in its current spec and from the highest to the lowest there is a 34 BHP difference as such unless someone can produce a number of dyno sheets from different places showing these figures I take them all with a pitch of salt, including your figures
Im more impressed with proven performance such as your 14.4 quarter if the Gotech is such a great bit of kit im just curious to know why the fastest CVH RS Turbo's in the country are not using it.

Christian and Beccy

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I disagree. With a good cam in a rebuilt engine, we ran D4nny8oys car and found that at around 1.2 bar of boost the engine was at its best. Raising the boost any higher generated high EGT's and NO more power. We came to the conclusion that the Exhaust housing was the restriction and it makes perfect sense.

I have to say that a 99mph terminal, in my opinion, isn't condusive with a proper 210bhp/226lbft car.

Also, management-wise, Jamie said himself the other day that there is no power to be made from one mappable management system to another and he is quite right to say that. In essence power is a combination of Air/Fuel/Boost/Spark and those things won't actually change whether its a Ł500 ECU or a Ł2000 ECU, what will change, however, is how effectively that ECU operates and consequently how 'friendly' the car is to tune. Each tuner has the preferences of what they map and we have tried most. In our experience, you REALLY do get what you pay for in most cases. With only one exception, we find that the low-priced ECU's are not as nice to map as the more expensive ones and as a result the map won't be as accurate and thorough.

I am good friends with Nick Thomas and have respect for Jamie, but I will make no secret of the fact that I DO NOT believe that his car could have ever made 257bhp on that standard engine/turbo on our Dyno. Or, let's put it another way, I don't believe that his car could have made within 100bhp of mine on the same day on our Dyno. That's not me gloating about mine, I am more referring to it as a comparison. Looking at it another way, if I took my car to the dyno that measured his at 257bhp, I think mine would have made more than 350bhp.

I think the subsequent gains were marginal by comparison, given the mods carried out, and most probably go further to discredit that original run if you ask me.

rickbartlett

so your saying jamies rollers are wrong?
why dont u ask jamie to prove the figures of nicks old s2 on your rollers?
would be interesting to see what figures are produced.jamies missus now has the use of the s2 so be worth u trying to sort something out i reckon mate.
cos alot of people never believed the figures stated by that s2.

ive just checked my quarter mile printout and i got terminal speed wrong ,my apologies. 14.4 quarter mile,terminal was 94mph, not 99mph.

Oranoco

I'm quite happy to post my 248bhp graph if I can find it for people to pick holes in?

The car also did a 14.75 źmile @103mph with a boot full of subs and amps at this spec

Christian and Beccy

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I'm not in this to fall out with anybody. But I have my beliefs based on my experiences. Nicks old S2 has gone through alot of changes since its 257bhp run, but I do remember them doing alot of work to it, including fitting a fancy custom-spec turbo and it made very little extra power on top of that, so that makes it even more likely that the original claim of 257bhp was an iffy run.

If yours did 94mph terminal, then that puts it where I would have more imagined it to be power-wise, based on the spec. I would put that car at 175bhp.

Why not put me to the test?

Oranoco, I don't want to pull holes in your graphs really. I have nothing personal against you, you should know that already, I've known you for years! LOL. I just have my beliefs about what power these cars can do and have seen many things in terms of dyno methods etc.

Oranoco

I know mate, it's all good. I'm always willing to listen and learn. and I find listening to another view point based on experience and knowledge (not pub BS) of interest and of use to develop my own knowledge and understanding.

T28 RST

215 max

rickbartlett

lets wait and see wot bhp it makes!

rickbartlett

how do u work out my old car would have been 175bhp?
IIRC that 257bhp run was reapated 3 times!!
when my car was set up and made the 210bhp it was set up on optimax(not sure if it makes much difference)just thought id mention that.

nickrsturbo1990

cant wait to see how much the car makes now brought a magnetic sump plug and a baileys turbo inlet filter today to keep my nice new turbo clean lol

rickbartlett

yeah make sure u update this thread wen its rolling roaded mate.jamie will look after u.dont understand people that dont believe power figures..u will always get doubters tho

nickrsturbo1990

ye ive heard a lot of good things about jamie will be a while before i get it setup tho need to run it in first but will definitaley let evryone no

Christian and Beccy

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Because thats what I have seen lots of RST's at that spec make and 94mph is the kind of terminal speed that power in an RS Turbo will do.

You do know that 1/4 mile terminal speed relates directly to power-to-weight? I do a shit time in mine, as I always have, but my terminal speed is around 125mph.

Christian and Beccy

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So, what you're saying is that you believe ANY rolling road figures?

How about the 220bhp at the wheels that mine made on SCS Dyno, that went on to make 185bhp at the flywheel on another??

Lets have a Dyno Day, that would sort the figures out.

D4nny8oy

I thought my ears felt rather warm today....

Karlos G

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That would be good, and very interesting!

rstel1

+1

T28 RST

Excellent idea

Then you will see all the posts about the rollers being wrong