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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 01:03 PM
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That prisoners who have been let out early to help with 'prison overcrowding' are to be compensated £10 per day for everyday that they didn't serve by being let out early to help with living expenses!!!!



WHAT THE FUCK

The powers that be in this country have gone fucking mad
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 01:04 PM
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Where is this country going?
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 01:04 PM
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WTF! I hadn't heard that but if its true thats bloody ridiculous!
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 01:07 PM
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This country is a fucking joke
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 01:10 PM
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£10 more than I recieve for being disabled... Think I will hand my crutches in for a crow bar.
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They should pay the state...

What a wheeze... anyone with less than 6 months to go on a sentence of more than 3 years can buy themselves out of jail..... £5000 a go..


I think I'll run for chancellor...



After all in monopoly after 3 goes you've got to pay £50 to get out of jail....
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 01:16 PM
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 01:16 PM
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neilm And just like a real criminal you nearly always end up back in...
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 01:21 PM
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More fucking lunacy from the idiots in the government
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 01:21 PM
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I was going to go for the more radical approach of bring back Public Hangings for Murderers, Rapists and Peados.......

That should free up some space.


But we are just a bit too namby pamby these days to take that...


thank fook Hitler and his chums were around 50 years ago when we had some balls in this country... if it was today... we'd probably invite them in, make them some tea and polish their nice shiny boots....
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 01:22 PM
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neilm And just like a real criminal you nearly always end up back in...
Only if you throw 3 doubles in a row
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 01:26 PM
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I can't beleive this fucking country
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 01:28 PM
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that 5k thing sounds a GOOD idea,,, as only people wont go back inside will pay it,,, makes sence to me imo as they pay cash and cost less to keep inside

what IM confused with is how are prisons overcrowded if crime has gone down
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Ginge !

what IM confused with is how are prisons overcrowded if crime has gone down
Crime figures are a con. If someone gets caught for low level crime ie. breaking into garden sheds, cars ect they can hold their hands up to simlar offences to be taken into consideration. They dont get any more time added to there sentance or very little. This goes down as crimes solved and makes the police look good.
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 02:44 PM
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And recorded crimes CRITERIA has changed, only CERTAIN ones are recorded as crimes now, others are noted as INCIDENTS, and do not get counted as crime.
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 03:02 PM
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Just heard it on the radio ...Who said crime doesn't pay?

I seriously thought you were joking ...total lunacy at its best
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 05:32 PM
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So what would you lot rather -

Criminal gets out but can't claim any benefits until his whole sentence is over and so has NO money etc etc

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£10 a day to get a roof/food and stop them INSTANTLY having to reoffened?


Alex - playing devils advocate!
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 05:39 PM
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Fucking country
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 05:41 PM
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Something else that makes me wonder why the fuck i stay in this country!!!
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 05:43 PM
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No, they get out early and don't get any fookin money and have to GET A JOB

The govt in this country (all of them, so doesn't matter who you vote in) have some serious issues to sort out. They don't seem to be doing a good job imo. Do the crime, do the time. None of this "oh, we have two to a cell, bestlet some out & give them money for coming out early". No. Get them 4 or 5 in a cell. They're in there for a crime, not a fookin holiday period.
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexF
So what would you lot rather -

Criminal gets out but can't claim any benefits until his whole sentence is over and so has NO money etc etc

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£10 a day to get a roof/food and stop them INSTANTLY having to reoffened?


Alex - playing devils advocate!
What i'd rather is if your guilty of a crime, you get sentensed and you go inside for the whole lot! What an earth is the point getting 18months inside and only serving 10 months? Get life, do 4 years and your out! Fucking stupid! Why are they letting people out? Not enough prisons? Build more!!!
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 06:03 PM
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Get them to do work in the community like cleaning the streets, etc ...They got put there for a reason and that reason was to be punished for a crime they commited..... Letting them out early AND paying them is just more proof that this Goverment haven't got a clue what there doing from breakfast till arseholes
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 07:38 PM
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I best murder AJ tonight then,and get £70 a week for it!!!!!

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh you **** bastard!!!!!!!!!!

Pete...
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 07:42 PM
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Omg....


I need to move to Aus.. and soon!!!!
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Old Jun 23, 2007 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by tabetha
And recorded crimes CRITERIA has changed, only CERTAIN ones are recorded as crimes now, others are noted as INCIDENTS, and do not get counted as crime.
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VERY VERY VERY VERY TRUE !!!!!

which is what i was hinting at

not recording crimes that are reported over the phone unless they are done in a police station aswell is one of there MANY ways of sorting it

incident reports that then when followed up get recorded as crimes is the other ones


fake the figures cause reality is crime is ALOT more comon than we are made to belive

comunity service is the BEST solution,,, aswell the other idea i agree with is a mate of mine who kepts getting in trouble was sent away alll his life from the age of 17 and spent on average 3 months out each year to the age of 24,, the last 18month stint he done the rehoused him in a hostel in watford,,,, the reason was to help him find a new group of mates.get out of the world he lived in

would have worked if he ACTUALLY STAYED THERE, weekends he stayed at my mates flat and done a more serious crime,, we HOPE hes out in 2012,, but tbh, he didnt know any better and hes NEVER had a job due to hes record,,, no excuse but its true
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Old Jun 24, 2007 | 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexF
£10 a day to get a roof/food and stop them INSTANTLY having to reoffened?
So say they get out 10 days early. That's £100 they have. Is it a full payment? If so, that £100 would be spent by the majority of crims on beer and drugs 1st night out. Day 2: skint again. It's free money as their circumstances will not have changed whether they do an extra week/month in prison or not.

PLUS: If someone does their full term, they come out with nothing & have to start earning/ benefit claiming from scratch that day..why should it be any different if someone comes out early?
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Old Jun 24, 2007 | 07:59 AM
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Jesus wept! I am starting up my own country.

Originally Posted by Benni
£10 more than I recieve for being disabled... Think I will hand my crutches in for a crow bar.
Consider that carefully.

Crowbars are quite short and you may keep falling over.
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Old Jun 24, 2007 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Ginge !
that 5k thing sounds a GOOD idea,,, as only people wont go back inside will pay it,,, makes sence to me imo as they pay cash and cost less to keep inside

what IM confused with is how are prisons overcrowded if crime has gone down
They will borrow the cash from a fellow crim, get out, then steal the £5K....!

Is this the reason they are giving them money ? (not that I agree with it btw!)
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Old Jun 24, 2007 | 09:34 AM
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what a fucking joke!
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This country needs sorting out!!

Instead of giving it to prisoners, why not to oap's, who have worked all their life but are struggling to live on their pensions alone!

Or to the doctors/nurses/health care professionals/police/fire etc etc who are not paid enough!!
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Old Jun 24, 2007 | 10:21 AM
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£10 a day to get a roof/food and stop them INSTANTLY having to reoffened?
So say they get out 10 days early. That's £100 they have. Is it a full payment? If so, that £100 would be spent by the majority of crims on beer and drugs 1st night out. Day 2: skint again. It's free money as their circumstances will not have changed whether they do an extra week/month in prison or not.

PLUS: If someone does their full term, they come out with nothing & have to start earning/ benefit claiming from scratch that day..why should it be any different if someone comes out early?
Its different because if you are let out early you can't claim benfits at all... no housing etc etc....

If you give people no option to reform then your never going to get people out of crime....

Alex - still at it
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Old Jun 24, 2007 | 02:17 PM
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Anyone watch the POLITICS SHOW today on BB1, was on about this very thing.
8 cons in a police station now, due to, "no room at the inn", cost £30,000 a week for 8 people, and another £700 a week for TAKEAWAY FOOD, for them, a hotel would be cheaper!!!
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bring back the death penalty i say, that reduce the overcrowding and make them think twice about doing it in the first place
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Originally Posted by AlexF
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£10 a day to get a roof/food and stop them INSTANTLY having to reoffened?
So say they get out 10 days early. That's £100 they have. Is it a full payment? If so, that £100 would be spent by the majority of crims on beer and drugs 1st night out. Day 2: skint again. It's free money as their circumstances will not have changed whether they do an extra week/month in prison or not.

PLUS: If someone does their full term, they come out with nothing & have to start earning/ benefit claiming from scratch that day..why should it be any different if someone comes out early?
Its different because if you are let out early you can't claim benfits at all... no housing etc etc....

If you give people no option to reform then your never going to get people out of crime....

Alex - still at it
glad someone still has some sence

the thing people forget though alex is prison is not ment to be a punishment but ment to reform people,,, the more serious the crime the longer it takes to reform,,,,, ok its also ment to be a deterent too but thats another matter


as for doctors not being paied enough,,,,,, there on about 60k a fucking year,,, its there HOURS that are the issue,, nurses get paied 30k a year,,,, reason i know is thats what my missus is going to uni for

firemen get paid 20k a year,,, for 4 days work,,, 2 of em sleeping unless theres a shout to attend,,,,, but that aint actually common at 2am though in most places these days

the police get 25k a year


now jemma,,, how much do YOU get paied,,,, bet you get paied LESS than them,,,, so why shouldnt YOU get more money then ???,,,, are you not ment to live in comfort ?


dont listen to all the crap you hear on the news,,,, most people get paie under 20k a year,,, yet the tube workers and other public sector workers want more cash,,, just cause they want more cash

my old man worked for the corperation of london ,,, he was paied 45k a year for a job that i thought was paying him 18k a year by the way he moaned about hes wages
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Old Jun 24, 2007 | 05:01 PM
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your kinda missing the point i think it averages nearly a grand a week per inmate to keep them there you do the maths there actually saving money solving a problem at the same time, makes common sence to me, the kids will get out and be tagged if they fuck up they will be straight back in, will only be minor criminals released
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Ginge !

Wheres ur Mrs looking at jobs? Its £20,000 around here.

Another 4 years till i can earn that much as a nurse.

Im not saying im not paid enough etc, just that why should ppl who have done crime, and hurt others get extra money??

I think Fireman should be on more than that, each day they risk their lifes, and alot of the time its because of arsonists who will then get sent down and let out early with extra money
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shes just applied for a job at whittington hospital aswell as great ormand street

oh and shes about to work at the portland hospital,,,,, but its FOC as its part of her course.... irnoic considering its the hospital that all the stars have there babies in,,, and they employ free labour

think shes going for some sort of midwife or something,, shes gonna be getting just under 30k when hes done though i know that as im the one whos PAYING for her course so i want a decent return

btw i have a hate for people who claim doctors need toi be paied more when they dont even realise what they get paied,,, when my doctor told me i was about to deck him,,, same with teachers,,, they get lots of benifits aswell as there wages and yet they want more money,,,,,, not to mention they finish work at 4 and the holidays they get onto of it too and free periods AND free lunches too

bet the dustbin men and shop workers REALLY feel they need more cash compared to them
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Originally Posted by AlexF
Its different because if you are let out early you can't claim benfits at all... no housing etc etc....
I didn't know that mate. That's a silly idea in itself then

Originally Posted by bigneck
your kinda missing the point i think it averages nearly a grand a week per inmate to keep them there you do the maths there actually saving money solving a problem at the same time, makes common sence to me,
Until more criminals get a sentence, replacing those released eary and making prisons over-crowded again.

The country needs to quell the crime figures, thus meaning less people having to go to prison. Bringing back the death penalty for very serious crimes is 1 idea or building more prisons for the short-term is another, or as I said earlier: make more people to each room the norm. Take out their luxury items and create the room needed for the bedspace.

On a controversial note, you could bring in some 7-day shifts so you can double people up on the beds: whilst one is having a 12hr shift (inc meal times, recreation, working, etc) the other has access to the bed to sleep and vice-versa.

All have pros and cons, especially the death penalty.
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The justice system is a joke , most cons dont give a fuck about prison as they get better stuff in there than on the outside.

Cry like fucking girls when they are on 24hr lock down when potted in police cells over over the weekends .

Get em in road gangs in large tented compounds and let them work for an early release

Givng them £10 a day what a fooking joke
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