My PAS pump on my SX is pissing me off and gets in the way anyhow, so thinking of binning it off for an electric one that i can mount in the car somewhere with the battery etc.

Mk1 Clio Diesels have them, and other cars do too dont they?
Anyone used one?

For hoses, i presume good high pressure rubber hydraulic hoses and jubilee clips are just fine arnt they?

Ive seen that setup on fuel systems and hydraulic equipment in factorys running nigh on 1000 psi so im 90% sure it is, im not someone who thinks you NEED aeroquip

 

Steve, Gary had electric power-steering on his S13 and I think he regretted it. As far as I rememeber he found it slow to respond and very often had it turned off.

I think it came off a Peugeot, or similar, so probably the same as what you have been looking at.

The hoses really need to be ones made for Power-steering. They are not too expensive.

 

Hmm, not best first impressions eh

Anyone else?

 

Vauxhall Corsa electris PS is a common conv as well...

 

saxoVTS have an electric PAS pump

corsa has electric column, depends on what you want?

 

Corsa electric column is expensive and complicated isnt it?

Just been told Mk2 MR2s have an electric pump that works well on them at least, dunno how thatd be more suitable than a 106/clio/etc one tho

 

I know of people using the saxo one without problems, thats what i would go for personally.

 

Will it make difference what motor its used on?

I jus dont understand how people can have problems with pumps not working well on other cars?

 

Well i guess if the amount of pressure required was higher or something in the 200 rack?

They get used on calibras quite a lot without problems though.

 

Arnt electric pumps speed sensitive as standard?

Martin had one in the old reyland escort, but hes on hold at mo so cant as him.

Just as steering/handling is so important on the SX as its a drift car i dont wanna totally fuck it, lol

 

The new focus has them, so to does the C-Max, Fusion, and im guessing the S-Max. Got a Focus one here, good thing is the union is the same as on the Ka's rack

 

Lots of stuff has electric PAS nowadays - lots of Fiats/Lancias/Alfas, Vauxhalls, VWs, Audis, some MGFs. All NSXs have it, as do S2000s.

Here's an install on a Scimitar using Vauxhall bits: http://www.v8church.co.uk/mods.html

Problem is loss of steering feel.

Phil

 

Yep, I dont want that.

Is that gonna be down to pressure tho?

 

I think it's more to do with the way electric motors work - they can't relay what the wheels are doing back up to the steering wheel like a closed hydraulic system can.

Phil

 

Stavros, are you referring to an electric column or an electric pump?

cause an electric pump (if it makes enough pressure) should drive IDENTICAL to the original setup.

 

So what is it about electric PAS systems that leads them to be almost universally criticised for their lack of feel compared to a traditional hydraulic set-up? It's not to do with the level of assistance.

Phil

 

Chip, im talking about a hydraulic pump.

And the above is what im talking about too.

But is it all rumour and bollocks like everything else on the internet?

 

All rumour and bollocks mate.

I know someone for example with a calibra on a saxo electric pump, it drives EXACTLY the same as on a mechanical pump.

Why on earth wouldnt it?
Its the same mechanism still, the same rack still, the same fluid still, the internals of the pump are also essentially the same its just the pump is turned by electric motor not a pulley driven off a belt!

 

Not the internet - pretty much every new car reviewed with it, ever.

Feel is subjective so it might not matter to everyone in the same way.

Phil

 

are you SURE you are on about a hydraulic power steering system with an electric pump, like a saxo and NOT a car with electric power steering like a corsa which is TOTALLY FUCKING DIFFERENT!

Name a few of the cars you are referring to, or better still point at the reviews and then we can see which system they run, i would put money on it being the electric power steering though!

 

hmm, i heard the electric motor with controller is supposed to have good feel - ie corsa. They use em on mk2 escorts?

 

Yes, I'm wrong, I meant the Corsa/Punto (and, from memory, NSX) type systems.

Can't see why it should feel different if you just change the type of assistance.

Phil

 

As much as id like a fancy speed sensitive one, i cant afford that, and cant see why id need to, the standard one is only rpm sensitive, not speed...

My thoughts exactly, but all I know is the stuff you hear!

This is EXACTLY why I hate all the internet info, its all 3rd hand info thats bollocks.

And the true info usually gets forgotton about, tho the correct stuff gets banded round all over the shop


Me either mate, really confused me, but always hear it.

 

another idea that wont happen eh ! talkin in true journo style now pal, so many posts about led balloon ideas







p.s
oh and yes i have got electrohydraulic pas cheers.

 

We have fitted several of the Clio ones onto all sorts of power steering racks.

No one has complained yet.

They will need crimped connections though so forget the jubilee clip idea. No need for aeroquip like you say as the h/p rubber hose is fine.

 

NUTS- Whats the crack with the pressure then?m Adjustment needed? Some kind of adjustable regulator? Or just bang it on?

Like WHAT mark?

 

v8 this, turbo that, yadda yadda yadda i think your defo up there with bal now

 

WHAT? I have 2 V8s ive bought recently, we are in the process of turboing one right now, which is gonna be work related by looks of, and other is being butchered for parts.

Only other stuff ive ever spoke about is stuff im DOING.

Your full of shit mate, you expect me to write a report of my whole lifes activities?

Only thing ive ever asked about that ive no intention of doing for quite a while is the sierra steering lock question, purely as im genuinley interested. IIRC ive done all the rest.

So if your gonna be a bellend about it, kindly fuck off my thread

 

We just bang them on and run them through an on/off switch.

Its only a high pressure pump with a coke bottle sized reservoir on it.

Prefer the 96-98 models as the outlets are both on the same side which makes the plumbing and mounting easier.




The 2000< versions are a little more awkward but produce the same pressure.



Pics loaded for those confused with electric pas columns which are totally different.

These need a PAS rack fitted

 

Mark - that's not particularly fair!

Steve has a fair few bits on the go - I'd hazard a guess that the financial backing doesn't always allow every idea to be followed through immediately.

Steve - re: the Mk2 MR2 - not sure it'd be suitable - aint too much weight to steer up the front of those cars!

 

NUTS- Cheers mate, my old dear has a Clio with that same pump actually.
Not having to adjust any pressure is interesting too, always imagined you might.
They not even that pricey as got a replacment for our Mums a few months back as it packed up.

Fair few bits is understatment of the year, for the SX i buy more parts than I have time to fit cause of work etc, its a fucking joke

And the rest, well, dont think ive ever asked about anything but the steering lock thing that ive not needed to know for something immediate.

Financial backing is about right, fuck knows how I can afford the transmission for the GTR, everything else is pretty much done and paid for at least

 

How much as I may be interested in this mod.

 

always the quickest to slate anyone for trying to do anything, all you do is talk, simple as most of it bullshit, cant take it though can you, almost every thread i read has some of your bollocks on it, always have something to say about everything, yet prob actually know a stamps worth.

 

Like WHAT mark? Go on, examples rather than just you had a few pints and start spouting off as usual...

I cant think of anything ive talked about and not done.

And WHY do you think i know fuck all?

Seems to me just cause we dissagree on the high compression (on big power road cars and road fuel and road gearing, not a rallycar) thing, you do your best to slag me off every time youve had half a shandy...