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Is there a compression > AN fitting for going from pipe to braided?
On with this damn kit car project and got two feeds from the fuel cell on the car.
One is 1/2 inch and the return is 8mm I think OD. They are 2 inch long pipe stabs that are welded in at the bottom of the fuel cell. Now before, it was rubber fuel pipe but I want to go to braided, does anyone know of anyway to acheive this without it looking a total mess?!!!
Taking the fuel cell out isnt an option Im going to do because it looks a proper epic mission, so I cant get it purged and professionally welded with some AN fittings which would be the preferred option, so wondering if you can get them like plumbing fittings on one end and for a braided connection on the other ?? I cant find any!
why have you a fuel feed that big? 8mm feed is more than adequate for the power you run?
Not sure mate. that is what the tank outlet is! So I dont want to reduce it until I have to, like when I get to the 044 pump Im fitting, cant remember what size fitting that is , will check tonight, Im just wanting to convert the fuel cell to AN first, will work out what else I need when fuel pumps in and what not
u run a internal efi tank with a walbro 455lph pump with an 8mm feed and have no fuelling issues whatsoever, a single 044 will run through 8mm fine I would reduce it down where I could
u run a internal efi tank with a walbro 455lph pump with an 8mm feed and have no fuelling issues whatsoever, a single 044 will run through 8mm fine I would reduce it down where I could
ok cheers. WIll post a few pictures up of what Im dealing with!
Also depending on your fuel tank, is it sumped and baffled ? If not you will want a lift pump to swirl pot to pump.
1/2 out from the tank is ideal. 5/8 even. The 044 has an m18x1.5 inlet. 3/8 into the pump can make it scream as it cavitates. 5/16 will kill it in double quick time.
From the out let of the pump to the fuel rail an6 is plenty.
I am doing mine at the moment and I don’t fancy changing the tank much either.
Last edited by big_wasa; Apr 12, 2019 at 05:07 PM.
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don't know the answer but if you do an ebay search for e.g. "10an fitting" you will get results including some from 'Torques' - thier name is in the pictures. all thier hoses list the ID and OD and even though they aint cheap, its easy to work out what hoses fit with which fittings and stuff arrives next day. all they sell is motorsport stuff - no affiliation with them but I've bought tons of stuff and they provide A1 service
Also depending on your fuel tank, is it sumped and baffled ? If not you will want a lift pump to swirl pot to pump.
1/2 out from the tank is ideal. 5/8 even. The 044 has an m18x1.5 inlet. 3/8 into the pump can make it scream as it cavitates. 5/16 will kill it in double quick time.
From the out let of the pump to the fuel rail an6 is plenty.
I am doing mine at the moment and I don’t fancy changing the tank much either.
Nice one big Wasa
I guess it must be a baffled tank because the last setup was just some bosch fuel pump and then filter to rail, with an fpr too of course.
Its a dax kamala mate. WHat car is that you have there?
Interesting!! What gearbox are you using mate? Did you turbo the zt yourself?
I might stick my usb laptop camera in there to see! It never stuttered on hard corners with the old setup. But will double check to be sure, did you post about using an rs focus ecu in another zt ecu thread? Seems easier to use a standalone again for me. Its got a pectel t2 in it at the minute. Locked I think so a chocolate fire guard. But the loom for its mint, so Im thinking of reusing it and mating it to a better standalone.
the rest of the engine wiring is terrible, a start again job for some of it. May well end up getting a wiring guy to redo it cos I am wanting to be on the road this year lol
Originally Posted by big_wasa
Mk Indy, was pinto, now turbo Zetec ( Well nearly ) I forgot about the Kamala when thinking what midi it could be.
I wouldn’t assume it’s baffled. I did an engine loom for a midi with a plain tank. It would fart and splutter on bends ie run lean.
It had a T9, it’s now got an Mt75.
I doubt I will go much more than 275bhp so we should be good with the box but I’ve also got an Rx8 5spd to play with.
I have a Turbosport flywheel with Rs clutch cover and helix plate. I have an lsd to fit but may leave that until next winter and get a Quaif.
yep I am building it up my self.
Engine is an St170/Blacktop hybrid.
I’ve got a few inlet / outlet options. But the current set up is an Oem 2.0 Zetec exhaust manifold turned upside down with a clocked Impreza Td04. Inlet is a steel plenum but It’s only to get me on the road for the summer and I will play with it until next winter.
Its all controlled by an Rs ecu, because I can, because it’s cheap, because I can plug it in and go. Want a bit more power and I can stick a flash tune on it. A bit more, stage 2, a bit more and it can be mapped by Sabre.
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Last edited by big_wasa; Apr 13, 2019 at 09:13 AM.
The Oem ecu is my party trick. I’ve been doing them for years.
When fitting bike engines to kitcars 9/10 use the bike ecu but with car engines it’s as popular as a a dose of the clap.
i am also working on a rwd Duratec 30 ie the 3.0 v6 from the Mondeo st220 but decided to stick with the Zetec for this.
Reason for the vid, you can really here the pump scream with the fuel pump inlet restricted down to 8mm.
Awesome work mate! Love that engine stand, next step diy engine dyno?!!
Do you do any sideline work on other cars??!(if so pm me!) my party trick so far has been dissasembling it lol. This weekends job is POR 15 the tube chassis where I have flap disked it all, repaint it, and look at getting suspenion on so its rolling again. I got it all powdercoated even though the cars only done 6k from new it was rusty as hell from barn storage. Then got to look at seeing how the engine goes back in lol as I dont have pictures from before, just all the bits lol
Mint job with the rs focus ecu, I have been looking at microsquirt as theres a zetec turbo kit, or maybe megasquirt. If I could use focus rs ecu and get it mapped, I would seriously think about it lol
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ALso got a turbonetics T04b, 800cc injectors, HO inlet, and various other bits. Still need to get a few more bits when I get to that stage no doubt. God knows what the gearbox is, never been able to find out exactly, I thought it was an mtx75 but not sure. Ford diesel box is what I was told.
Last edited by zetecbeast; Apr 13, 2019 at 07:48 PM.
Very inventive that setup you've got there fella. The last setup in my car was a zetec 1.8 t, not sure what the manifold was but it wasnt tubular. Output was allegedly 230 hp but I dont think it was anywhere near that. Ahmed Bayjoo (RIP) looked at the map on my pectel and said it wasnt really a map, just a load of fuel chucked in lol
I haven't ever got around to learning how to map one. My thing is wiring and I’ve done all sorts into all sorts. Mjl, Ms, Omex, Dta but I love the factory stuff as you plonk it in the hole and go.
re the Ho inlet, it would be my choice at that power these days. Have you modified the sandwich plate to take end feed injectors and fuel rail ?
I haven't ever got around to learning how to map one. My thing is wiring and I’ve done all sorts into all sorts. Mjl, Ms, Omex, Dta but I love the factory stuff as you plonk it in the hole and go.
re the Ho inlet, it would be my choice at that power these days. Have you modified the sandwich plate to take end feed injectors and fuel rail ?
I will be ok mapping a megasquirt I reckon if I have a base map and a wideband. For me the wiring is the headache, would be ok if I had a working one to reference off, or if it had worked in the last 5 years lol
What mods does it need mate? Ive got some sard 800cc end feeds. Not got as far as fuel rail yet!
The Ho manifold takes side fed injectors. The injectors are in the fuel rail.
They have big nasty injector seals that don’t seal under vacuum let alone boost. They are 30 years old after all.
Your injectors won’t fit in the sandwich plate or the fuel rail. You will need some inserts making to go in the sandwich plate to take the end fed injectors. These could be pressed in or welded in and machined in situ to take your injectors. Then a custom fuel rail.
if your running Ms you won’t need the idle control valve , but if you did that would be hard work as well.
if you where aiming for 300 ish I would say save your self the hassle and get an Rs manifold. I don’t know what there limits are though. Being a midi it would be so much easier to install than my rwd.
Either way the Rs wouldn’t be my manifold of choice.
Back into the garage to work on my loom I go, feck me it’s cold in there today. Show season is getting nearer.
The Ho manifold takes side fed injectors. The injectors are in the fuel rail.
They have big nasty injector seals that don’t seal under vacuum let alone boost. They are 30 years old after all.
Your injectors won’t fit in the sandwich plate or the fuel rail. You will need some inserts making to go in the sandwich plate to take the end fed injectors. These could be pressed in or welded in and machined in situ to take your injectors. Then a custom fuel rail.
if your running Ms you won’t need the idle control valve , but if you did that would be hard work as well.
if you where aiming for 300 ish I would say save your self the hassle and get an Rs manifold. I don’t know what there limits are though. Being a midi it would be so much easier to install than my rwd.
Either way the Rs wouldn’t be my manifold of choice.
Back into the garage to work on my loom I go, feck me it’s cold in there today. Show season is getting nearer.
Cheers bud. WIll bang some picture in of the project as I go. May end up using a custom fuel rail. no idea what options there are yet. My main experience is on supras and german stuff so Im a bit of an old school ford amateur. Going to take a look at the fuel rail and inlet.
So your saying an RS inlet will work on the silvertop with less messing about? I think the sards are side feed, will have to dig them out and check.
I'm headed outside to POR 15 the tube chassis and respray it after about a week of surface rust removal. It is indeed fackin freezing lol
Ah ok they should fit then but check the seals on the rail to sandwich plate. What they from then ? Supra, Rx7.
yes the Rs is just a Blacktop and they bolt straight on to a silvertop. You may not have to mess about after all. I wrongly assumed your injectors would be end fed being so large.
Last edited by big_wasa; Apr 14, 2019 at 07:02 PM.
Just to update this. They arent end feed they are side feed injectors. Just tried fitting them lol. So looking at what options are for fitting to an HO inlet
Just check the seals between rail and sandwich plate. You don’t want it to bleed boost or draw in air.
I would still decide what management will control them with and check they are the correct impedance ( hi z low z ) and ask the mapper what they think to them.
Last edited by big_wasa; Apr 26, 2019 at 05:44 PM.
Just check the seals between rail and sandwich plate. You don’t want it to bleed boost or draw in air.
I would still decide what management will control them with and check they are the correct impedance ( hi z low z ) and ask the mapper what they think to them.
I dont know what happened to my original injectors so I cant compare the width of them, but they seem to not fit in the bottom of the machined holes, slightly too big! Will take a look tomorrow. THey are high impedence SARD 800 cc injectors. Used them before on other cars (different set) and they are spot on
Is there a compression > AN fitting for going from pipe to braided?
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