Rubberen Robbie

How does a rear window mechanic looks like?

can it be a DIY job? or is it to difficult?


anyone has a piccie of a elektrik mechanism?

Cheers Rob,

dangerousbrian

just about all window mechanisms are different..u dont say wot car...also ur wording is pretty poo!! can wot be a diy job? is wot too difficult?? do this all day at work so mite be able to help u if u say wot it is

Rubberen Robbie

its for a 92 saph ( signature )

i allready have front leccy windows, with granada/scorpio buttons.
and i would like rear leccy windows, i heared that the have one arm in stead of 2 ..

how do they work?

thnx..

and i know my english is sh*t

xr4x4rs

iTrader: (5)

they work like the fronts, jst ifind a sierra ina ascrap yard with 4 electric windows

rip the mechs out the back door with door looms

may aswlel race all the wiring back behind the dash and centre console so you have all swicthes and the correct wiring and it should just all plug up

orion_crazy_carl

iTrader: (3)

i thought all cossies had all electric windows?

Rubberen Robbie

i'm from holland and in holland there never was rear leccy windows.. in the scrapyard's there aren't any Front leccy windows ( thank god the made Germany.. they have Front's.

even the Ghia's over here dont have Rear Leccy window's

any one has a set lying around with my name one it?

Cheers Rob

Thrush

iTrader: (1)

Actually, just about all window mechanisms are the same, as there is only three ways they operate...

1) Vertical metal "channels" that have wire on pully's that operate the up and down of the glass (these can be fixed to the glass via bolts, rivets, on clamps, or "click-lock" plastic blocks)



2) Scissor-action metal arms - two metal arms that work like a scissor, typically with a "third arm" that acts as a pivot point for the "aux" arm (one metal arm connected to the mech motor, the aux arm uses the third arm to perform it's sweep) Typically glass is fixed to the metal arms by using a metal channel on plastic swivel blocks, often have lugs glued to the bottom of the glass secured to the arms using bolts, etc etc



3) Single metal arm - just does a sweep, about a 3rd, or sometimes half, a circle. Almost exclusively fixed to glass using a metal channel on the bottom of the glass, and a plastic swivel block. This is how the mech is in the rear door of a saff (been a long time since I done one, but from memory this is the type of mech.) Also the same style of mech inside a transit front door.


(The above IS actually a Sierra Sapphire rear window regulator)

How do I know all this? I fit glass for a living

As for swapping your manual regulators over to electric ones, it's not a major problem. The mounting points are 99% the same, as the regulator is the same as the manual one. It's only the addition motor thats different, and it's associated wiring. I did my mk4 Escort no problem, and the easiest way is to just get two second hand complete mechs (the whole mech with motor attached, and with the plugs aswell if you can) then do the wiring yourself.

Last thing, don't crack onto another member's spelling, grammer etc if your own is appalling! Wot? Mite? U?

Rubberen Robbie

thanx for that clear reply,,

wiring isn't a problem. but the mech is..

can i mod a rear mech to accept a front motor?

here i cant find a 2nd hand leccy rear window.. thats why i want to try and make one myself..

Grtz Rob

Thrush

iTrader: (1)

That I can't help you with, as I have never tried it so can't say for definite. But I would guess thats pretty much what Ford did

When you say "here" - where is "here"? You might be able to buy a pair through this site, in the parts for sale section, or put up a wanted add, or get some from ebay and sent to you?

Rubberen Robbie

a few post up.. i said i came from Holland (the netherlands) funny thougd i put it on my profile.

anyway.. thay are going to be expensive.. getting them overseas.

i wil try some things.. and i wil let you al know how it worked out.

thanx voor de reply's

iansoutham

Go onto www.fordsierraclub.co.uk, access the forum and then contact a bloke called RemkoGT. He and some of his friends are coming over here beginning of next month for a couple of days and may be able to help you out with these motors.

Rubberen Robbie

remko.. yeah i know the guy.. seen his 24v In real live..

good looking car.. its just a shame that its a hatch ( my opinion)

i will ask of Marc is comming to.. maybe he can transport it for me

thanx for the tip

iansoutham

As far as I know, Marc will be there also

... he better be, I like our chats of an evening when he is over here

dangerousbrian

thrush; ur right about them 3 types of mech..but they dont all look exactly the same..(ie modern volkswagens and modern peugeot use the pulley type but they dont hold the glass in the same way)...also mounting points and motor position are different on different cars.... also u forgot about the single track pulley type as found in clios...etc etc....how do i know this? i also fit glass for a living!

i wasnt giving him stick for his spelling (mine is habit from text messages)just his grammer...(mine is fine)..he never said exacly wot he wanted to do and had to presume it was a sierra...it was also not meant to be harsh..sorry to him if it came across like that

Thrush

iTrader: (1)

Brian there are variations on each theme, but the basis is the same - there are three main types of mechanism : vertical channels (wire + pully), scissor/third arm metal arms and single metal arm.

Yes, there are different FIXINGS for each type, and yes, as you say, some have two vertical channels, some, like the Clio, have one, but the basic principal is the same for each. And seeing as the OP has a limited grasp of the English language, and that information isn't relevant to his question, it wasn't worth going into detail.

But having a double channel, like a Golf/Polo/Focus etc isn't really any different to having a single channel like a Clio, early Mondeo, Pug Expert van, Audi A4 rear door - still from the same mech type family And if you rear my initial post, I listed varying ways glass is secured to these mechs, including to the most typical way. Again I saw no point in going into fine detail and listing EVERY way, as it doesn't benefit this post. Second to that, the type of fixing, be it clamp VW style, or rivits Volvo Style, or swiveling blocks on mini channels BMW (E36) style, or bolts through plastic lugs Avensis style, this fixing is seperate to the style of mech. The mech, or really I should say regulator, is still only three types, and fixing style is both independant of this, and irrelevant...

dangerousbrian

yeah i know wot ur saying..the reason i sed wot i did was because he asked wot a mechanism looked like for his sierra..u could have showed him a pic of a same style mech ie transit..this wouldnt really help him to fit a rear sierra mech due to points etc...as he seems to have limited knowledge on the subject thought best not to confuse....anyway.. where abouts u from? do u work for some1? interested to see if every1s as quiet as we are..

Thrush

iTrader: (1)

Google's great - it lets you find pictures of Sierra rear mechs, the same as in the picture I posted

And yeah, we are quiet too. I'm off this week, so no idea what it's like this minute, but last week was quiet as hell. No one wants to pay for new screens etc, what with this "credit crunch" and it being summer holidays (kids off, going away etc)