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Ive put my car on the rr today after a ££££ worth of mods including tt38, 83lb injectors, plenum spacer, 500cooler, 200block, 7-8-1cr msd chip, i was waiting to see around the 450bhp mark, to be given a reading of 385bhp 415lbft.
I cant belive how bad it did with these mods!! There was 33psi spike and 30psi held of boost and perfect amount of fuel... so where is the power loss?
ive got paper work of porting to the head of 25.5mm inlet standard outlet ports and also reprofiled bd10 cams but i can't be sure that its the same head as the history goes way back.... my other concern is perhaps my cr is slightly lower than 7-8-1 could this cause this?
Whats your spec around the 450bhp, headwork cams etc?
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I cant belive how bad it did with these mods!! There was 33psi spike and 30psi held of boost and perfect amount of fuel... so where is the power loss?
ive got paper work of porting to the head of 25.5mm inlet standard outlet ports and also reprofiled bd10 cams but i can't be sure that its the same head as the history goes way back.... my other concern is perhaps my cr is slightly lower than 7-8-1 could this cause this?
Whats your spec around the 450bhp, headwork cams etc?
cheers
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385bhp or 385hp? One, if I understand it right, takes into account the transmission losses (around 50hp I think) - this would mean that you actually made circa 435hp at the flywheel and 385 at the wheels, which is as close as makes a difference 450. But i'm not an expert as someone will soon point out....
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Spec is..
205 block bored to+ 0.50mm & new core plugs
Mahle 4+4 pistons+0.50mm Machinded by A1 Rallysport
7.5:1 CR
UT T38 Turbo
Standard crank
NMS Cylinder head stage 2 standard valve sizes, isky double springs
Mountune WRC Metal head gasket
EEC1V Inlet Manifold
1000cc Injec
NMS Spec cams ground fron new billets
Coil Pack
Pro Alloy Intercooler, Radiator,Turbo cooler
Aeroquipped lines throughout
Grp A fuel Pump
Autronic ECU Mapped by MA DEVELOPMENTS
Peaking @ 30 psi holding 28
442.1 ATF 378 ATW 356 FT.LB
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The torque is excellent, only teh power is short, so what your asking is can the compression being too low and the head porting being wrong cost you 10 - 15% Power? The answer is a resounding yes, it certainly can.
I would have the inlet off and verify the head dimensions as that power and torque are pretty synomous with a standard head.
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yer have got verniors but i can't be sure there right i'm going to send the head to cylinderhead developments, have it fully flowed and ported a new bd14 inlet and a new bd10 outlet, and he said he'd give me detailed instructions on how to dill them in, i don't think anyone round my way can really do but they say they can and take you money.!! best job when you do it your self!!!lol
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yer have got verniors but i can't be sure there right i'm going to send the head to cylinderhead developments, have it fully flowed and ported a new bd14 inlet and a new bd10 outlet, and he said he'd give me detailed instructions on how to dill them in, i don't think anyone round my way can really do but they say they can and take you money.!! best job when you do it your self!!!lol
WHY because you will need a DTI and stand for setting up cam timing correctly
BD14 should do the job,but the only other restriction would be if you have a 2wd inlet if so change to a 4wd one or a small turbo escos onethe latter will need a bit of modding for the sensors
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There are lots of other places to port heads other than CHDevelopments that will do a much better job for similar money IMO!
Mine was done by cylinder head developments and I'm not 100% happy with it (previous owner had it done by them) & there was a thread on here with pics of their work a while back and it was shocking!
My choice would be either Norris Motorsport or CNC heads.
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Mine was done by cylinder head developments and I'm not 100% happy with it (previous owner had it done by them) & there was a thread on here with pics of their work a while back and it was shocking!
My choice would be either Norris Motorsport or CNC heads.
Cheers
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https://passionford.com/forum/showth...d+developments
This thread^^^^ pics are gone now though...pm user he might have them still.
Consider yourself warned! LOL
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This thread^^^^ pics are gone now though...pm user he might have them still.
Consider yourself warned! LOL
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what inlet manifold is better 2wd or 4x4 or are they just the same? i'm thinking they could be slightly to fault as well perhaps if there different? how much bhp has been seen through the standard inlet manifolds?
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how does the car feel to you? Is it fast enough or not as it sounds like if it had showed 450bhp you would have been happy, because it showed less your not, I would let the patented ass dyno measure the power for you and not worry about what the rolling road says.
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As already said that's very good torque, esp for a t38 as these generally seem to give more bhp but less torque than a t34 (I'm no expert, just going on figures I have seen).
Chasing BHP figures is useful only for the pub!! I bet the car drives superbly with that torque, and at the end of the day 385 bhp is not to be taken lightly - its still a shit load of power.
did you ask the dyno operator what they thought the problem might be? That's assuming there is a problem. It might well be you just need more headwork to make the rest of the power you are after.
Chasing BHP figures is useful only for the pub!! I bet the car drives superbly with that torque, and at the end of the day 385 bhp is not to be taken lightly - its still a shit load of power.
did you ask the dyno operator what they thought the problem might be? That's assuming there is a problem. It might well be you just need more headwork to make the rest of the power you are after.
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thanks for all your input it seems that a few people have said that i'm chasing figures etc which is easy to think but my car was 370bhp for the last year and a half, which is why i fanced doing some upgrades!! so designed a 450bhp build ... i wouldnt have changed the turbo, injectors, ecu, plenum spacer for 15bhp if you know what i mean.. my old turbo could make those fiqures with a live map.. i have seem to have just gained lag!!
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Ive put my car on the rr today after a ££££ worth of mods including tt38, 83lb injectors, plenum spacer, 500cooler, 200block, 7-8-1cr msd chip, i was waiting to see around the 450bhp mark, to be given a reading of 385bhp 415lbft.
I cant belive how bad it did with these mods!! There was 33psi spike and 30psi held of boost and perfect amount of fuel... so where is the power loss?
ive got paper work of porting to the head of 25.5mm inlet standard outlet ports and also reprofiled bd10 cams but i can't be sure that its the same head as the history goes way back.... my other concern is perhaps my cr is slightly lower than 7-8-1 could this cause this?
Whats your spec around the 450bhp, headwork cams etc?
cheers
I cant belive how bad it did with these mods!! There was 33psi spike and 30psi held of boost and perfect amount of fuel... so where is the power loss?
ive got paper work of porting to the head of 25.5mm inlet standard outlet ports and also reprofiled bd10 cams but i can't be sure that its the same head as the history goes way back.... my other concern is perhaps my cr is slightly lower than 7-8-1 could this cause this?
Whats your spec around the 450bhp, headwork cams etc?
cheers
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it was run on a dyno dynamics it was the smaller fan of the two he had there, but the tuner had saw a similar engine turbo etc make 440bhp the week before!!! done in 3rd gear
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thanks for all your input it seems that a few people have said that i'm chasing figures etc which is easy to think but my car was 370bhp for the last year and a half, which is why i fanced doing some upgrades!! so designed a 450bhp build ... i wouldnt have changed the turbo, injectors, ecu, plenum spacer for 15bhp if you know what i mean.. my old turbo could make those fiqures with a live map.. i have seem to have just gained lag!!
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oh i remember, i had a missfire cos of a fu*ked plug at the pod because i drove so slow up there to save gas i coked up the plugs i would say it was a close brawl tho!!! i was only get 1.3 bar boost, def the best play ive had since ive had the car tho!!! i'll pop over if you want what do you wanna look at? my shit cylinderhead lol...
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oh i remember, i had a missfire cos of a fu*ked plug at the pod because i drove so slow up there to save gas i coked up the plugs i would say it was a close brawl tho!!! i was only get 1.3 bar boost, def the best play ive had since ive had the car tho!!! i'll pop over if you want what do you wanna look at? my shit cylinderhead lol...
It seemed pretty strong for that boost mate...
Yeah that'll be cool... wanna see what a T38's like mainly (running a few engine specs for mine round in my head at the mo!!! )
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Yeah that'll be cool... wanna see what a T38's like mainly (running a few engine specs for mine round in my head at the mo!!! )[/quote]
Yer i was on greys then and a terible mapped chip, danny must have wasted so much on gas, that exhaust pissed it out when i got it!!!lol
if your gonna tune yours i wouldn't worry about turbo thats the easy bit, get a good cyl head and cams on there otherwise you end up like me!!! also 55lb blacks are a good idea because they can be mapped for a t34 and you havn't got to change them in the future even if you put a t4 or a gt30 on there just saves money ive put 83lbs on mine i don't need to worry about fuel ever again!!!lol
Yer i was on greys then and a terible mapped chip, danny must have wasted so much on gas, that exhaust pissed it out when i got it!!!lol
if your gonna tune yours i wouldn't worry about turbo thats the easy bit, get a good cyl head and cams on there otherwise you end up like me!!! also 55lb blacks are a good idea because they can be mapped for a t34 and you havn't got to change them in the future even if you put a t4 or a gt30 on there just saves money ive put 83lbs on mine i don't need to worry about fuel ever again!!!lol
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385bhp or 385hp? One, if I understand it right, takes into account the transmission losses (around 50hp I think) - this would mean that you actually made circa 435hp at the flywheel and 385 at the wheels, which is as close as makes a difference 450. But i'm not an expert as someone will soon point out....
Horsepower is a unit of Power (energy/time).
Brake Horsepower is where you measure it using a brake to load the engine.
What you are talking about is at the wheels (ATW) and at the crank (no real prefix)
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