My new trackday Clio Mk1 : aka the Cli-Y0 (bought donor car pg 3)
28-12-2010, 09:22 AM
#81
200bhp would bore me TBH mate, thats only 26 more than my blue one had and although im mainly interested in the corners I want more straightline pace than that for things like combe action days (I do half my trackdays at combe as its the only track even vaguely near me) to make it easier to get past the traffic as you arent allowed to overtake on the bends so it can be frustrating when you are quick through the bends but not on the straights as it means getting stuck behind people.
Other issue with the renault is the gearbox isnt upto much and a diff for it is expensive, and putting expensive diffs in fragile gearboxes can be annoying if the box keeps trashing the diff when it lets go (ive been through 5 boxes in my car now iirc with only 174bhp)
Plus I just like turbo cars anyway, and its a little bit about building what you enjoy working on not just the end result
Last edited by Chip; 28-12-2010 at 09:28 AM.
Keep the updates coming Chip.
04-01-2011, 03:22 PM
#83
Still just researching what engine to use at the moment:
https://passionford.com/forum/genera...reference.html
Volvo T4 engine is looking quite favourable at the moment, cheaper than the VAG lump, and looks like it might be smaller too, and also really well catered for tuning wise as its just 80% of a T5 engine basically.
More impotantly though, its ally blocked, so should be a fair bit lighter.
https://passionford.com/forum/genera...reference.html
Volvo T4 engine is looking quite favourable at the moment, cheaper than the VAG lump, and looks like it might be smaller too, and also really well catered for tuning wise as its just 80% of a T5 engine basically.
More impotantly though, its ally blocked, so should be a fair bit lighter.
12-01-2011, 09:14 AM
#85
Finally made the decision on an engine.
Honda Vtec B18C4 turbo
I have had a quick measure up, and its basically possible to get it into the hole, the gearbox is probably going to require some relatively major surgery for clearance, and the exhaust wont be able to go down the front, it will need to come over the gearbox, mount the turbo there, then a downpipe over the back of the box and down where the exhaust normally goes on a clio.
The reasons I have picked this particular engine are:
Lightweight
Will do the power I need on standard internals, so only a weekends work to swap it out if I kill it, not having to do a big build everytime
LSD as standard, so again nice and cheap and simple to keep a transmission on it
Cheap to buy
Great support in the aftermarket for parts
Will do the revs I need as standard due to solid lifters etc (8500 limiter is my ideal target and thats easy to these)
They give a very flat torque curve when turbo'd (ideal for keeping traction!)
And lastly, I just LOVE honda engines, have owned a couple of Vtec's before they are just amazing!
The only downside, is that my mrs has started taking the piss calling my car a "Cli-Y0"
Im going to start work on it after the big vauxhall show in june, as Ive got some unfinished business there getting my nova into the 11s so want to concentrate on that first
Honda Vtec B18C4 turbo
I have had a quick measure up, and its basically possible to get it into the hole, the gearbox is probably going to require some relatively major surgery for clearance, and the exhaust wont be able to go down the front, it will need to come over the gearbox, mount the turbo there, then a downpipe over the back of the box and down where the exhaust normally goes on a clio.
The reasons I have picked this particular engine are:
Lightweight
Will do the power I need on standard internals, so only a weekends work to swap it out if I kill it, not having to do a big build everytime
LSD as standard, so again nice and cheap and simple to keep a transmission on it
Cheap to buy
Great support in the aftermarket for parts
Will do the revs I need as standard due to solid lifters etc (8500 limiter is my ideal target and thats easy to these)
They give a very flat torque curve when turbo'd (ideal for keeping traction!)
And lastly, I just LOVE honda engines, have owned a couple of Vtec's before they are just amazing!
The only downside, is that my mrs has started taking the piss calling my car a "Cli-Y0"
Im going to start work on it after the big vauxhall show in june, as Ive got some unfinished business there getting my nova into the 11s so want to concentrate on that first
12-01-2011, 02:57 PM
#86
Advanced PassionFord User
B18c4s are great engines chip!
you spoke to ricky at race-tech? he does awesome td05 kits for them, Also sockets the ecu's to run s300, or you can talk to yaser at garage786, standard b18c4 with a s9b lsd box, td05 at 14 psi can make Very good power, high 300s still retaining 8000( or 8600) rpm
Plus you can buy an mb6 for Ł500 to use as a donor and make your money back by breaking the rest of it!
P.s when your removing the box and engine, theres a hidden bolt on the gearbox mount which is a cunt, and theres a pin in the gearlinkage called the bitch pin which is also a cunt, and theres 5 engine mounts which is a mission but im sure your capable!
Good luck with great plans mate
you spoke to ricky at race-tech? he does awesome td05 kits for them, Also sockets the ecu's to run s300, or you can talk to yaser at garage786, standard b18c4 with a s9b lsd box, td05 at 14 psi can make Very good power, high 300s still retaining 8000( or 8600) rpm
Plus you can buy an mb6 for Ł500 to use as a donor and make your money back by breaking the rest of it!
P.s when your removing the box and engine, theres a hidden bolt on the gearbox mount which is a cunt, and theres a pin in the gearlinkage called the bitch pin which is also a cunt, and theres 5 engine mounts which is a mission but im sure your capable!
Good luck with great plans mate
Last edited by crumpet; 12-01-2011 at 02:58 PM.
12-01-2011, 03:09 PM
#87
Thanks for the tips on removal, was probably just going to buy an engine and box already out of a car though, I have more money than I have time (havent got much money but have almost no time, lol) so if it costs me a few hundred more but saves me a couple of weekends then Im preferable to that.
Yeah I spoke to Ricky, he's going to make me a manifold that I need to facilitate the fitting (turbo HAS to go remote over the gearbox for this to work)
Yeah I spoke to Ricky, he's going to make me a manifold that I need to facilitate the fitting (turbo HAS to go remote over the gearbox for this to work)
12-01-2011, 03:37 PM
#90
Agreed, Ricky has done far more with them than I will need.
TBH even if I made 280bhp it would be over 100 more than my previous clio and that was already good fun!
320 is the perfect solution, thats around 200lbft all the way to 8500rpm, and from what Ricky was saying it should be possible with very little effort at all.
TBH even if I made 280bhp it would be over 100 more than my previous clio and that was already good fun!
320 is the perfect solution, thats around 200lbft all the way to 8500rpm, and from what Ricky was saying it should be possible with very little effort at all.
12-01-2011, 04:25 PM
#91
Advanced PassionFord User
320 will be fine and very reliable, his work is amazing too, If you get bored you can always get it mapped again and get more power, Rc 660's ideally youd need, the oil t piece at the back of the block for the pressure sensor is easy to get at too, If you got the car chip youd have the mounts already there too and the loom and ecu, what you gonna do with the shafts?
320-340bhp with 800-850kgs will be awesome in a cli-yo
320-340bhp with 800-850kgs will be awesome in a cli-yo
12-01-2011, 05:00 PM
#92
Ive got 1000cc injectors for it, and I will map it myself so no need to "get it mapped" as such as I just do bits and pieces as I go along.
I need to get the mounts and shafts (for modifying) with it, loom would be handy but not essential, no interest in the ecu at all TBH, will be on an Mtec V4 like my current clio.
yeah Ive T-pieced off pressure sensors before for a turbo feed from an N/A engine, then just need a fitting into the sump or whatever to return (dipstick tube hole is sometimes an option) will have a look at how others have done it
hoping to keep weight down to 1000kg with me and the mrs in it, so needs to be about 840 for the car itself (im 100kg, she is about 60kg as she's lost about 10kg recently, so that will save me buying perspex windows, LMAO)
I need to get the mounts and shafts (for modifying) with it, loom would be handy but not essential, no interest in the ecu at all TBH, will be on an Mtec V4 like my current clio.
yeah Ive T-pieced off pressure sensors before for a turbo feed from an N/A engine, then just need a fitting into the sump or whatever to return (dipstick tube hole is sometimes an option) will have a look at how others have done it
hoping to keep weight down to 1000kg with me and the mrs in it, so needs to be about 840 for the car itself (im 100kg, she is about 60kg as she's lost about 10kg recently, so that will save me buying perspex windows, LMAO)
Last edited by Chip; 12-01-2011 at 05:04 PM.
12-01-2011, 07:40 PM
#93
Advanced PassionFord User
Ive got 1000cc injectors for it, and I will map it myself so no need to "get it mapped" as such as I just do bits and pieces as I go along.
I need to get the mounts and shafts (for modifying) with it, loom would be handy but not essential, no interest in the ecu at all TBH, will be on an Mtec V4 like my current clio.
yeah Ive T-pieced off pressure sensors before for a turbo feed from an N/A engine, then just need a fitting into the sump or whatever to return (dipstick tube hole is sometimes an option) will have a look at how others have done it
hoping to keep weight down to 1000kg with me and the mrs in it, so needs to be about 840 for the car itself (im 100kg, she is about 60kg as she's lost about 10kg recently, so that will save me buying perspex windows, LMAO)
I need to get the mounts and shafts (for modifying) with it, loom would be handy but not essential, no interest in the ecu at all TBH, will be on an Mtec V4 like my current clio.
yeah Ive T-pieced off pressure sensors before for a turbo feed from an N/A engine, then just need a fitting into the sump or whatever to return (dipstick tube hole is sometimes an option) will have a look at how others have done it
hoping to keep weight down to 1000kg with me and the mrs in it, so needs to be about 840 for the car itself (im 100kg, she is about 60kg as she's lost about 10kg recently, so that will save me buying perspex windows, LMAO)
PMSL Alot of lads with turbo b series or d series stick with the p28 or p30 and get them socketed to run Hondada s300 or crome thats what i was thinkin youd do but i spose if you start a fresh it can sometimes be easier
19-01-2011, 01:37 PM
#97
lad i work with has a d16 in a eg civic making well over 280 bhp on a stock bottom end at around a bar of boost,
they love big bore exhaust, his is 3.25 inch through bore, freed up 30bhp over the 2.5inch system he had on before at the same boost levels,
hes running a socketed p28 ecu aswell
think most people drill the sump for the oil return chips.
id buy a whole mb6 civic if i was you mate, can get em for 500 quid the sell the hubs ect of as they have the itegra type r stud pattern so sell quite well,
just reading this is making me want to bin my zetec turbo build for the escort and get me a vtec lol
they love big bore exhaust, his is 3.25 inch through bore, freed up 30bhp over the 2.5inch system he had on before at the same boost levels,
hes running a socketed p28 ecu aswell
think most people drill the sump for the oil return chips.
id buy a whole mb6 civic if i was you mate, can get em for 500 quid the sell the hubs ect of as they have the itegra type r stud pattern so sell quite well,
just reading this is making me want to bin my zetec turbo build for the escort and get me a vtec lol
19-01-2011, 03:01 PM
#98
Thats interesting about the exhaust, Im not sure what size I will go for yet, but 2.5" had certainly crossed my mind for "only" about 300bhp, as I dont normally view that as needing 3" let alone any bigger.
But perhaps 3" would be a sensible investment.
But perhaps 3" would be a sensible investment.
20-01-2011, 10:25 PM
#99
Advanced PassionFord User
yea i find it funny that the bisimoto 700whp d16z6 made 55whp less with a 3" exhaust than the 3.5" it has now lol
Finding space is a wanker, even on my eg6 2.5" was tight so i opted for a 3" front exit
Finding space is a wanker, even on my eg6 2.5" was tight so i opted for a 3" front exit
22-01-2011, 12:01 AM
#102
Cheers,
Grant
22-01-2011, 10:22 AM
#103
Advanced PassionFord User
Thing is chips gonna have the issue Of space because the turbos going to be over the gearbox, and the room down the back will be tight because civic gearboxes are massive too.
At least an external wastegate isnt needed for the twin scroll Td05's ricky uses, come with a separated exhaust housing too so screamer pipe can go where ever it wants
At least an external wastegate isnt needed for the twin scroll Td05's ricky uses, come with a separated exhaust housing too so screamer pipe can go where ever it wants
22-01-2011, 03:42 PM
#104
I'd be surprised if the screamer pipe isn't routed back into the exhaust mate, for two reasons.... firstly, noise regs at track days.... and secondly, it's no secret that Chip isn't a fan of the sound and thinks it's chavtastic, so I doubt he'd put it in his bright yellow clio with bare weave carbon bonnet. 
Edit, if it unable to be re-routed into the exhaust, then I'd suggest getting a silencer or two fitted like Porkie did with the screamer pipe in his 3dr.
Cheers,
Grant
Edit, if it unable to be re-routed into the exhaust, then I'd suggest getting a silencer or two fitted like Porkie did with the screamer pipe in his 3dr.
Cheers,
Grant
02-02-2011, 10:12 PM
#105
Got myself a donor car today
Just been out driving like a 15 year old who has nicked his grandads car in it, the diff seems to work really well, feels the same as a teg type R basically.
Not a fast car as its about 1260kg apparently, but the engine does pull very hard at 6-8K.
Revs to 8500 on the rev counter but apparently they are only meant to go to 8100 so I guess the counter is over reading, certainly fucking lively though at that end of the range, going to go like fuck with a turbo on it in a lighter car
Going to just use it as a spare runaround now till July when I want to start the clio build, its actually quite a pleasant 4 door car on the motorways etc
Just been out driving like a 15 year old who has nicked his grandads car in it, the diff seems to work really well, feels the same as a teg type R basically.
Not a fast car as its about 1260kg apparently, but the engine does pull very hard at 6-8K.
Revs to 8500 on the rev counter but apparently they are only meant to go to 8100 so I guess the counter is over reading, certainly fucking lively though at that end of the range, going to go like fuck with a turbo on it in a lighter car
Going to just use it as a spare runaround now till July when I want to start the clio build, its actually quite a pleasant 4 door car on the motorways etc
Last edited by Chip; 02-02-2011 at 10:17 PM.
03-02-2011, 08:57 AM
#107
Took it to work today, it really is just so weird a combination of car and engine, you just really dont expect this sedate grandad wagon to want to buzz round to over 8 grand on the rev counter, or to have an LSD.
I really have NO idea at all why that car exists, I just cant picture who the hell would want a car that feels like it should have a turbo diesel in it for relaxed low rpm driving but actually has a monster high revving torqueless small capacity petrol tuned engine in it.
Its just such a mish mash, like steak with custard!
I really have NO idea at all why that car exists, I just cant picture who the hell would want a car that feels like it should have a turbo diesel in it for relaxed low rpm driving but actually has a monster high revving torqueless small capacity petrol tuned engine in it.
Its just such a mish mash, like steak with custard!
03-02-2011, 12:24 PM
#110
Lol @ FDM
I honestly think this will be a good project, Im convinced Ive done this the right way with pick a car I know handles, pick an engine that works well, and that I then just somehow make them fit together, rather than starting with a clio engine and try and turbo it and then break boxes etc, or start with the whole civic and not be able to get it light enough etc.
I honestly think this will be a good project, Im convinced Ive done this the right way with pick a car I know handles, pick an engine that works well, and that I then just somehow make them fit together, rather than starting with a clio engine and try and turbo it and then break boxes etc, or start with the whole civic and not be able to get it light enough etc.
Last edited by Chip; 03-02-2011 at 12:35 PM.
03-02-2011, 07:52 PM
#114
Its weird to drive, if you put your foot down at 3K @ just over 30mph in 3rd it just feels like forever before you change up, which makes it seem quite slow as it is taking so long to pull through the gear, but then when you look at the speedo, your doing nearly 100mph
10-07-2011, 01:56 PM
#120
Been busy with my other clio and my corsa and nova lately, so havent even broken the donor car yet, in fact it drives so nicely we fitted a towbar to it and have been using it as a tow car for a bit, lol
It runs out of ticket in september, so aiming to drive it over to the workshop when its running out and making a start on ripping it apart ready for a winter project.
Shaft wise im just going to be getting custom ones made, not even going to try and home make any, I dont like joined shafts.
Mounts I will just make my own, nothing available is going to be even close.