Chip

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Thanks to Dave on migweb for the pictures

Well it worked fantastically well at the weekend on its "pikey widetrack" conversion made from some renault 19 bottom arms to move the wheels out and some big washers on the CV joints to make the driveshafts long enough

Took it out at combe for 4 sessions and the only thing that passed me all day was rob in his astra when he started right behind me and did me on the straight then pulled over and let me past and did me again to prove a point, but with double the power thats hardly surprising, lol

Took a few seconds off my laptime on the new engine and suspension setup, down from 1:28.5 at the last action day to 1:25.11 followed by 1:25.17 this time, Im pretty confident I can get that a little lower by being braver on the brakes but action days arent the place to do it (had THREE people spin in front of me in just 4 sessions!)


Cornering far flatter now since the addition of some leda coilovers, it was hardly cocking a wheel at all and held about 6-7mph more through camp than previously












and of course the obligatory "I sat in the queue for 40 mins and the bastard starter overheated" picture of shame, lol



Have arranged to buy a williams manifold now though (valver one is a big lump of cast iron williams one is tubular) which I will heat wrap and then fit a shield on the starter too which will stop that problem im pretty confident.

Only other issue was my new trendy little lightweight race spec heater fan doesnt actually flow enough air, so I need to fit a second one for when im sat in traffic (it was cause the engine was getting hot I had to turn it off and then it wouldnt restart cause of the overheating starter when I tried to move it 2 mins later!)

Thats easily sorted too though, so overall im really happy.

Thats the final spec of the car now I think, cant think of any other engine or suspension mods that will return enough gains to justify the investment.
although I might possibly look at something to get rid of the lag when its winter and I have some time off in the closed season, but certainly for summer its staying as it is now other than the heat management changes.

rs-tuner

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Ed1

Looks good fun, im goin to snetterton with my mate in his 205 and a few of his mates towards the end of may which will be a good laugh, I wish i had a car to take round there!

R4N SS

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whats going on with the bent sunroof or is the shell twisting?

Chip

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Its a thin piece of plastic, so it flaps about in the wind a bit, lol.

CalibreDan

Looking good

I'm always shocked by how well Clio's handle (Even after spending so much time in decent spec 106 GTi's), mate has a 16v with a forged Williams engine, a T34 and some gas, think I posted some pics of it before... That's wide tracked with GAZ coilovers and the way it turns in and grips is immense

Chip

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Yeah even on standard suspension and some 10 quid off ebay secondhand lowering springs mine used to outpace most things through the bends, it absolutely lent like fuck (looked almost like it was going to tip up!) but it still kept gripping and gripping!

Look at the lean on the fucker here when it was on the standard setup plus cheapy lowering springs, and thats before ive even got to the apex on this particular bend so im sure it was leaning even more when I had



Did that M3 about 5 seconds after that pic was taken, had been stuck behind him for a while but he pulled over as we came onto the straight to let me pass.

Ed1

My mate has a clio 16v, a bit of shit to look at, stripped out and it goes pretty well and cocks a leg a treat, always makes me laugh seeing it on 3 wheels

Ed1

Oh and btw, whos the passenger?

Chip

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The 3 wheels thing looks kind of impressive, but its not really want you want, better to keep it a bit flatter than that really, some lift is ok, but mine was about 4-6" off the ground at the worst point on most bends before

Chip

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Lesley, she's got a couple of clios too so I took her out for a couple of sessions, seemed to love it

CalibreDan

Epic lean! We had some fun in my mates 106 when it was still on standard suspension and one of the droplinks went, gave some pretty funny handling traits... It used to turn in like a beast and also tripod whilst just driving normally

http://www.facebook.com/Beeeans?ref=...v=383409191038

Chip

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LMAO

Ed1

It dose look impressive, my 306 dose it if hammered hard enough apparently


Pics?

Chip

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Yeah 306's are renowned for it too.

Random facebook type one from drunken night out:

Ed1

I've yet to find out, i feel sorry for my tyres though

Chip

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Mine seems to be ok on tyres, done about 8 trackdays on these 888s now, we took them off the rims and turned them round after a few so they could go on the other side, I reckon I'll get RS combe out of them and then maybe one more day, so cant complain really, although annoyingly they are a lot dearer to replace now, they have gone up by about 50% since I bought them 18 months ago.

Ed1

Always the way, do you find you need to get them hot before they stick?

8 track days is pretty damn good really, considering your giving them a hiding all day.

Chip

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Thinking about it a couple of those days were went so I was on other tyres, so its probably half a dozen so far, but yeah thats still pretty good.

I normally just wiggle left and right like fook down the first straight and they are warm enough by the first bend more or less like that, but definately they are at their peak after a lap or so of hard use.

Ed1

A mate of mine found out they dont grip aswell cold, this is straight out of the pits after lunch





Now, its one inch shorter one side

Chip

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Mark_

looks like fun chip,

whats the spec of the car please

Chip

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Really basic spec mate.


Clio 16v I bought for 250 quid
Standard gearbox
Standard Williams engine other than I have bolted on some throttle bodies and an Mtech V4 ECU and Ive mapped it
R19 bottom arms to widen the track and give a little more caster than the Williams
Some random brake calipers my mate had lieing around off a 406 that I made some brackets up for (made them in mdf to mock up and got them copied in steel) with green stuff pads, on 283mm 306 gti disks
Leda front coilovers, and koni rear shocks
stripped out, plastic rear windows and sunroof
888 tyres

And that really is it, cost me about 2.5K in total, with 1500 of that being the engine and management and 280 being the tyres.


Was doug stirling's idea, he said I should have a "banker" trackday car that I could drag out when the nova was out of action that was cheap to run and low maintainance, and I cant thank him enough for nagging me into it, its been such a stressfree car to do trackdays in really, and I would have missed loads of them if I was trying to rely on the nova as thats often out of action for long periods when im doing development on it.

Mark_

these budget track toys deffinately seem to be the way forward.
i hear so many talk about them and the crack they have in them.

i think ill deffinately be looking into it at some point, maybe a saxo vts or similar.

feel like im missing out. lol

Ed1

Thats what the chap with the 205 has just got, he can crash it into what ever he likes and dosnt have to worry, only cost him a few hundred

Defo the way forward!

Mark_

well after a quick search there seems to be quitea few vts saxo's on offer for Ł500-Ł700.

you wouldnt mind pranging it really.

Chip

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Makes so much sense to have something disposable, means you can drive it with a PROPER level of commitment

Moonstone Mo

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looking good that mate.

god i miss my 19 16v hatch,used to handle like it was on fooookin rails i used to give it death round bends,no matter what i was chasing round the twisties i used to torment the car in front cos thats when it came in to its own....ah happy days!

foreigneRS

that's a very unusual approach for a pikey renault track car - most people who have them would have left the mdf brackets

mattxr3i

I was there Chip in my MK5 XR3i and my mate was in his John Cooper Works Mini :



You looked like you were going well

Rcjm88

Certainly looks like fun.

Interesting to see your lap times too, as i had no idea what a nippy car would do it in round there. Been reading a project (on zsoc) of a lad that races there and he managed his best of 1.17.2. Obvs his cost alot more money and is a race car, but interesting to see the difference! Tah

Chip

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Was that 1.17 on slicks, cause there are a fair few seconds a lap difference from that alone typically.

People like the Nick Williams in the Stirling Broadcast sponsored escort cosworth who race there go round in under 1:10, which is just a mental pace, although obviously he'd get nowhere near that on an action day on road tyres!

Chip

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Saw the mini and he wasnt hanging about, dont remember your car though TBH mate

Looks like you are both on the right line there though

mattxr3i

No Probs, I was actually quicker than the Mini, we were fairly evenly matched and then he let me through where I got away from him.



At about 2mins 30 you see me overtake

DAN P

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some good times there mate i no haydon in his evo on r888 goes around in 117s with his old engine

twoblacklines

Nice going chip. I know this is a banger in your opinion but a nice r-tec carbon bonnet (maybe one with vents in ?) wouldnt go amiss.

People have been having lots of luck with bmw mini superchargers too on numerous 2.0 8v and 16v engines

Chip

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Going well there as you go past your mate

Chip

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Dont be daft, why would I want to blow all that money when its hardly any lighter than the one I have on it with everything cut out underneath?

They are far too cumbersome to fit in my bay, and the gains would be pretty minimal really, not worth doing.

If I were to supercharge it I would want to use a rotrex

Roosie

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we pedal round there in 1.22.494 (quickest Time) on standard saxo vtr with aftermarket engine managment and A048s

Chip

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Even on a fresh set of tyres (mine are at end of their life now and starting not to work as well) and a clear track I dont reckon I could match that pace in mine so it shows how much harder you guys are driving in a proper race
Im barely touching the brakes on mine so I know thats where im losing a lot of pace, but Im just not prepared to take risks under braking on an action day, seen too many crashes like that over the years.