Thinking about going on to coil packs. my car is a converted small turbo escort to big turbo. Correct me if im wrong i should be able to use my original coils that sit under the cam cover meaning i dont need to buy new coil pack and plug leads ? Im using a p 8 ecu and i have bin told thst they can run coil packs the ecu jest needs switching over to do it . Is that true ?

 

yeah the p8 can run coil pack already, not sure how but ya got all the toys

 

best speak to someone with pectel gear, may be karl norris etc etc.

my coilpack conversion still aint workin right, just waitin on simon to come down and sort it.

 

Ok thanks for the info

 

P8 doesn't need Pectel gear. The ECU can run it without and add ons.

On the origional coils thing, yes you can!

 

So what else do i need 2 ignition amps ? and ?

 

just a loom, for it.

 

ask dazc as im sure i clocked a engine in a workshop that had simmiler to what ya asking

 

can you run it on a L8 ecu?

 

DazC, could you elaborate please. markk is also teasing me abuot his p8 running coilpack with no extra boards who has the software to do the mod ?

 

any more info anybody please

 

The P8 ecu has the required driver electronics built in to drive coilpacks already.

The problem is there are LIMITED tuners that can "switch on" the software to enable this feature.

This is typically limited to PECTEL boards but others such as MSD (Stu) have done this on board-less versions.

However, in this latter situation, your existing chip may not be able to be modded and you will probally need a different version program.

 

ive just dropped my ecu off to field motorsport to sort my p8 to run dizzyless

 

thats not teasing m8 -

this is teasing .................................................. .........





ALS, WI, coil pack, dual map, etc etc ...................................

 

ya nowt but a big tease ya

so is this p8 revision dependant or just the software that s loaded onto the chip..?

 

so rather than just upload the eprom swap the required 0 to a 1 for example then re burn it , it woule be necessary to have a complete newly mapped chip..?

 

dont know about that im afraid im honoust at least - if i dont know - i'll say so !

 

Ok,

For the benefit of the origional topic poster, if you are running P8 then all you need is Stu and Kenny @ Motorsport Developments to sort the software out for you. If you are running an L8 then you will need the SECS driver board.

With the P8 you will need a dual or second ignition amp and a wiring harness to run the coils and amps. You will need a spare pin on the ECU to fire the second coil. The other thing required is a pulse amplifier to run your rev counter.

 

 

Hi All

I spoke to MSD last week to order a dizzyless conversion for my P8 and was told its not available yet, has this situation now changed???

Cheers

Malc

 

there is a problem that they are aware of and are on with sorting which affecs SOME p8's not all, with the secs driver fitted, we could so with some way of checking whether its certain serial numbers of p8s that are affected.

 

looks like im wrong on the availablity - but havnt had any issues on my P8

 

i can do a loom the same as i did for Daz C

 

so, markk, are yuo using the factory rev counter or not? does the driver for this differ from say a stack one..?

 

P8 Dizzyless is easy with a pectel board + you will be able to monitor the engine via a pectel, powerchips, or SECS monitor

+ loads of other extras that ARE avilable without a pectel board, but is alot cheeper and easier to sort out with a pectel board

 

no im usin an aftermarket

Jano_OddKidd,

i'd be interested in knowing how you get round the rev counter drive problem ??

 

and whether jano use the factory rev counter,

 

There are rev counters that have a coil signal spilter which transforms the signal from a coil pack to a single pulse instead of the double. They can be found in "other" cars.

You will need to mod them to work with our rev counters. (For sierra,saff etc..)

For a FWD escort, fiesta etc.. all you need is the rev counter from a car that was running coil pack from std (EFi Orion, xr3i, Etc..) so easy to sort for our cars You could use the same signal splitter as mentioned above but is cost effective to just change the rev counter for one with coil pack as the signal splitter requires you to buy the whole clock assembly from a breakers and the car they come on makes the clocks expensive.

Regards
Jano

 

out of curioscity, how is it cheaper with the pectel boards? are they given away for free nowadays?

 

Jim Galbally,

You have such a great way of asking questions
Obviously they aint given away for free but can be sourced for as little as Ł40-50

Have you ever had a car mapped with dizzyless, ALS, WI, 24psi, Air injectors, etc etc etc etc .... WITHOUT PECTEL! if so how much did it cost??????

With a pectel board is alot quicker and easier. Now compare it with a map from anyone who can, without the use of pectel! The costs for mapping are way high! + with pectel you get the extras mentioned above and the ability to DATALOG, fault find, Real time adjustments, etc..

 

 

have u got a pic of the said splitter, as i could n't easlly change the escos one over could i? or is it the actual movement in the back(which phisically would fit in an escos clock set..?)

 

Why dont you just change your rev counter for one out of an EFi Mk5 escort with Coil pack?

 

is it that easy, are the electronics part of the actual rev counter gubbins, not a seperate board or box in the loom?

 

and you have an appauling way of answering them

 

jano:

do you require the surpressor putting back in circuit at the coil before the signal goes to the tacho or not, doe sthe efi mk5 escort rev counter accecp teh back emf from the coil directly and soft it out internally?

 

Dave Henshall,

Just change the rev counter, its easy to do once you take the clocks apart

 

I think the problem is that esc cossie clocks aint back lit they glow
no other mk5-6 are lit this way

 

just what i was thinking.

 

but that is just the face is it not,,, ive had the clocks out to reface the EL bit, is it the actual mechanical bit that needs changing or is there an input board or similar sitting nest to it and the actual movement of the tacho is the same..?