Are you allowed to undertake on dual carrageways etc?
18-07-2005 | 12:42 AM
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on a duel carriageway the rules are that you always drive in the left lane, and only use the right lane to overtake and then return to the left lane, so i was taught anyway 
but if you need to be in a specific lane to exit etc then go in that lane.
i'm pretty sure you can undertake when the lanes are seperated by a solid white line.
but if you need to be in a specific lane to exit etc then go in that lane.i'm pretty sure you can undertake when the lanes are seperated by a solid white line.
18-07-2005 | 12:49 AM
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Your NOT allowed (officially) to undertake in the 1st lane as it's classed as dangerous driving i.s if the person in the right hand lane was to pull beck into the 1st lane & hit your car YOU would be to blame (yes i know it's shit but it's just another stupid rule we have in this country)!!
Your supposed to stay slightly behind the car in the overtaking lane even if he's doing 30mph in a 40
HTH
Your supposed to stay slightly behind the car in the overtaking lane even if he's doing 30mph in a 40
HTH
18-07-2005 | 02:49 AM
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I read a couple of years back in a car mag about a guy who was banned for undertaking, think it might have been an old Max Power issue with a GSi Nova (was in the reception at my old job, honest! 
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We are allowed to do it here and it still scares the crap out of me doing it. A lot of cars zip between things but it isnt pleasant being sandwiched between two trucks not knowing if either have seen you. You can also remain in the right hand lane around cities here but not officially supposed to on highways.
)We are allowed to do it here and it still scares the crap out of me doing it. A lot of cars zip between things but it isnt pleasant being sandwiched between two trucks not knowing if either have seen you. You can also remain in the right hand lane around cities here but not officially supposed to on highways.
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18-07-2005 | 07:03 AM
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i got pull'd over for the first time in the ecos for so called under taking 
coming up to a round about in the left lane to go straight over, old bill in the right lane turning right.
so i undertook him about 200 yards before the round about, pull'd me over
said i was dangerously driving, and that undertaking was illegal 
the coper was a right muppet ! ! and then gave me a bloody producer
i said to him if it was illegal why haven't you gave me a ticket ? he didnt reply. can't stand traffic cops
coming up to a round about in the left lane to go straight over, old bill in the right lane turning right.
so i undertook him about 200 yards before the round about, pull'd me over
said i was dangerously driving, and that undertaking was illegal the coper was a right muppet ! ! and then gave me a bloody producer
i said to him if it was illegal why haven't you gave me a ticket ? he didnt reply. can't stand traffic cops
18-07-2005 | 07:09 AM
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242: Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake.
Highway code... This is from the motorway bit, but I'm sure it applies to all roads.
I have seen a bit where it lists some exceptions, i.e. car in right lane is stopped to turn right. Can't find it though
Highway code... This is from the motorway bit, but I'm sure it applies to all roads.
I have seen a bit where it lists some exceptions, i.e. car in right lane is stopped to turn right. Can't find it though
18-07-2005 | 08:29 AM
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fuck that, if im on the motorway and some dumb fucker is just sat in the middle or outside lane i have no problem with going past on the inside, if i got pulled for it id be a bit pissed off tho.
at the end of the day its the other asshole that cant use the roads properly
at the end of the day its the other asshole that cant use the roads properly
18-07-2005 | 08:56 AM
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Plus your usage of under takeing has never been restiricted to just the road has it *cough* hard shoulder *cough*
18-07-2005 | 08:58 AM
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I believe it's been "legalised" in France 
but they have put all sort of rules to it.... Will have to have a look.
Over here.... mmmmmm..... never done it....
Dont understand why you got arrested on the roundabout tho rsdene, because your lanes were going in different directions... so undertaking is irrelevant... no?
but they have put all sort of rules to it.... Will have to have a look.Over here.... mmmmmm..... never done it....
Dont understand why you got arrested on the roundabout tho rsdene, because your lanes were going in different directions... so undertaking is irrelevant... no?
18-07-2005 | 08:59 AM
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i recently read a thread on undertaking on the 5ive-0 forum ( moderated by police ) They dont have a problem with undertaking dawdling middle lane muppets on the motorway AS LONG AS YOU DONT CHANGE LANES TO DO IT. If you swerve from lane to lane to undertake and then swerve back in front of the undertakee they will pull you, if you just cruise past keeping up with traffic or in an empty lane then they would be unlikely to pull you according to them as you arent at fault the dawdling muppet is. Its a great forum, check it out
www.5ive-0.org
www.5ive-0.org
18-07-2005 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by gurnE
What about using the hard shoulder for undertakes?
Is that frowned upon?
Is that frowned upon?
some are wider than others tho, some are well wide, some are well dodgy
18-07-2005 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Itsmeagain
Originally Posted by gurnE
What about using the hard shoulder for undertakes?
Is that frowned upon?
Is that frowned upon?
some are wider than others tho, some are well wide, some are well dodgy
18-07-2005 | 09:08 AM
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The official rule is that you are allowed to undertake where the traffic is crawling at slow speed, and where the lanes are actually marked with a long broken white line indicating an upcoming slip road, or separate lane.
Would never undertake on the hard shoulder - remember a story about some kid who did that and ploughed into a parked car and killed himself.
Would never undertake on the hard shoulder - remember a story about some kid who did that and ploughed into a parked car and killed himself.
18-07-2005 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by AJ
Originally Posted by Itsmeagain
Originally Posted by gurnE
What about using the hard shoulder for undertakes?
Is that frowned upon?
Is that frowned upon?
some are wider than others tho, some are well wide, some are well dodgy
18-07-2005 | 01:35 PM
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From the site www.middlelanemorons.com :
n May 2002, when this website hadn't even entered the realms of consciousness, I decided to write an email to the Department of Transport, and my best friend, Dave Scott, decided to do the same.
Now, we both guessed at departments, because there isn't one entitled 'Division For Motorway Muppetry', and sent our emails on their merry way. Lo and behold, I never heard back from mine. It probably hit the trash icon on a bureaucrat's computer screen or got misdirected to the Ministry of Fishfingers or something.
Anyway, Dave did get a reply. And a courteous, thoughtful reply at that. It was sent by a certain 'John Doyle' from 'Road Safety Division 3'. He said:
Dear Mr Scott
Thank you for your e-mail of 28 May 2002 about lane discipline on our motorways. I have been asked to reply.
The Government sympathise with your concern about the standard of driving on our motorways. "Lane hogging" can be very irritating to other drivers, it reduces road capacity, particularly at high flow levels and it is potentially dangerous. However lane hogging is not a specific offence, although it is safe driving practice for vehicles using motorways to remain in the left hand lane unless overtaking as advised in the Highway Code. Failure to comply with the advice in the Highway Code does not in itself constitute an offence (nor would it necessarily be crucial to the outcome of any civil case which might come before the courts). However, anyone involved on such a case would be entitled to point to a failure to heed the Highway Code's advice. It would then be for the court to reach its decision in the light of all the evidence presented to it. Nevertheless The Road Traffic Act 1991 has given police the powers to prosecute people for the offences of dangerous and careless and inconsiderate driving.
Overtaking on the left is not an offence in the United Kingdom. However, all drivers are bound by our road traffic laws, and liable to prosecution for offences such as careless or dangerous driving. Enforcement of the law is, of course, a matter for the police who will make their decisions on whether to prosecute in the circumstances of each individual case.
My Department will continue to press home the message about good motorway lane discipline through publicity such as our leaflet "A Guide to Safer Motorway Driving". Additionally, signs reading "Keep Left Except When Overtaking" have been erected on some motorways and lane discipline has also been included in police motorway safety campaigns.
Yours sincerely
JOHN DOYLE
Now, we both guessed at departments, because there isn't one entitled 'Division For Motorway Muppetry', and sent our emails on their merry way. Lo and behold, I never heard back from mine. It probably hit the trash icon on a bureaucrat's computer screen or got misdirected to the Ministry of Fishfingers or something.
Anyway, Dave did get a reply. And a courteous, thoughtful reply at that. It was sent by a certain 'John Doyle' from 'Road Safety Division 3'. He said:
Dear Mr Scott
Thank you for your e-mail of 28 May 2002 about lane discipline on our motorways. I have been asked to reply.
The Government sympathise with your concern about the standard of driving on our motorways. "Lane hogging" can be very irritating to other drivers, it reduces road capacity, particularly at high flow levels and it is potentially dangerous. However lane hogging is not a specific offence, although it is safe driving practice for vehicles using motorways to remain in the left hand lane unless overtaking as advised in the Highway Code. Failure to comply with the advice in the Highway Code does not in itself constitute an offence (nor would it necessarily be crucial to the outcome of any civil case which might come before the courts). However, anyone involved on such a case would be entitled to point to a failure to heed the Highway Code's advice. It would then be for the court to reach its decision in the light of all the evidence presented to it. Nevertheless The Road Traffic Act 1991 has given police the powers to prosecute people for the offences of dangerous and careless and inconsiderate driving.
Overtaking on the left is not an offence in the United Kingdom. However, all drivers are bound by our road traffic laws, and liable to prosecution for offences such as careless or dangerous driving. Enforcement of the law is, of course, a matter for the police who will make their decisions on whether to prosecute in the circumstances of each individual case.
My Department will continue to press home the message about good motorway lane discipline through publicity such as our leaflet "A Guide to Safer Motorway Driving". Additionally, signs reading "Keep Left Except When Overtaking" have been erected on some motorways and lane discipline has also been included in police motorway safety campaigns.
Yours sincerely
JOHN DOYLE
18-07-2005 | 06:30 PM
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mmmmmm think i know why im being done for dangerous driving now
as the road im accused of i undertale in a dedicated seperate lane BUT its for the use of buses
and im usually speeding or worse down it too
how much are bus passes now and how long a ban can i expect
untill today i was inocent
as the road im accused of i undertale in a dedicated seperate lane BUT its for the use of buses
and im usually speeding or worse down it too
how much are bus passes now and how long a ban can i expect
untill today i was inocent
18-07-2005 | 06:39 PM
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out standing, I can now sleep at night knowing all those people I have undertaken while making no effort at all to over take them (usually because they are in the other lanes at 70 or less) its perfectly legal
18-07-2005 | 07:10 PM
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its perfectly legal
not when ya doing 110mph with the cruise control on it aint my boss told me,,,,,,,,,,,,,, he also said not to do it in his car anymore when hes been given a lift back by another driver
18-07-2005 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by saff_cossie
Originally Posted by turboxr
What the heck is undertaking? 
18-07-2005 | 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by turboxr
Originally Posted by saff_cossie
Originally Posted by turboxr
What the heck is undertaking?
You can overtake (legally) on the right or the left in some countries!
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