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18-12-2018, 07:46 PM
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My r33 did 57 mph in first, and 90 mph in second with os giken gear set so I guess the getting of the line will be similar in rods saph, a bloody nightmare 
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18-12-2018, 08:17 PM
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I needs to get something sensible as a muscle car, maybe 400 hp tops.
I was looking at the 620 hp zz chevy motors and thinking about buying a new one and puitting it in a chevelle but if I do its another car the missus wont drive as its bonkers
so with getting rods saph I have my mad rwd monster I want, and then I can get a more sensible muscle car for me and the missus to drive
something like this
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1972-Chevrolet-Chevy-Chevelle-2-door-Coupe/202415006030?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.S EED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3Df0f0e 0c2fe9041c7b1f1ecdb0659fad1%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D 2%26rkt%3D15%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D232681965379%26it m%3D202415006030&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_t rkparms=pageci%3Ae6dc99c0-02f9-11e9-a5c6-74dbd18083e9%7Cparentrq%3Ac2c2a5101670ab10a45e827a fffce5da%7Ciid%3A1
also in talks with a guy that has a 1972 Chrysler charger with a 400 hp 452 in it, plus that's rhd which is a plus point for us
I was looking at the 620 hp zz chevy motors and thinking about buying a new one and puitting it in a chevelle but if I do its another car the missus wont drive as its bonkers
so with getting rods saph I have my mad rwd monster I want, and then I can get a more sensible muscle car for me and the missus to drive
something like this
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1972-Chevrolet-Chevy-Chevelle-2-door-Coupe/202415006030?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.S EED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3Df0f0e 0c2fe9041c7b1f1ecdb0659fad1%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D 2%26rkt%3D15%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D232681965379%26it m%3D202415006030&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_t rkparms=pageci%3Ae6dc99c0-02f9-11e9-a5c6-74dbd18083e9%7Cparentrq%3Ac2c2a5101670ab10a45e827a fffce5da%7Ciid%3A1
also in talks with a guy that has a 1972 Chrysler charger with a 400 hp 452 in it, plus that's rhd which is a plus point for us
I do like the look of that, the s&j doesn't work out that bad I had a mountune 600 spec 200 engine I bought fresh built for a bargain I wanted over 600 and the cost involved to rebuild that engine to take 700+ wasn't far off the s&j bottom end and wouldve been a waste so sold on kept head ect money toward s&j the new mk2 block is 4800 inc vat long studs bolt through the main caps
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18-12-2018, 08:52 PM
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Makes sense mate
I do like the look of that, the s&j doesn't work out that bad I had a mountune 600 spec 200 engine I bought fresh built for a bargain I wanted over 600 and the cost involved to rebuild that engine to take 700+ wasn't far off the s&j bottom end and wouldve been a waste so sold on kept head ect money toward s&j the new mk2 block is 4800 inc vat long studs bolt through the main caps
I do like the look of that, the s&j doesn't work out that bad I had a mountune 600 spec 200 engine I bought fresh built for a bargain I wanted over 600 and the cost involved to rebuild that engine to take 700+ wasn't far off the s&j bottom end and wouldve been a waste so sold on kept head ect money toward s&j the new mk2 block is 4800 inc vat long studs bolt through the main caps
Is the Smith and Jones able to make more power more reliably ? I would imagine it wouldnt be as strong being alloy but alot lighter
18-12-2018, 09:00 PM
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i don’t think the design is any weaker and with all the bore options you can get the best rod angles I think.
18-12-2018, 09:03 PM
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Easier due to capacity I'd think mate it's linerd studded through the main caps I've heard of problems with the first block the mk2 was revised for turbo applications as the first was intended for na use I know of 3 running 800+
18-12-2018, 09:06 PM
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They can go 14mm taller on the block height too and up to 2.7 litres.
18-12-2018, 09:09 PM
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The AG focus was over 900hp on the original design alloy block so I can imagine the new being even stronger
FFS don't tell me that I want one already haven't even got the car yet
19-12-2018, 05:51 AM
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Hahaha you love it
19-12-2018, 08:47 AM
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Having seen some of the stuff that has gone in to your engine I think you have a very top end build and you don't need to add to that spec. BUT if you do then Mark would spec the engine in terms of bore etc. I think Mark liked the 14mm extra height for the Rod angles (excuse the Rod pun) but he said to me that unless I was 100% convinced on saving 25kg then do not bother with the Alloy block as my 2.2 is fine.
19-12-2018, 01:35 PM
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I don’t know the car as well as you do obviously but I find that hard to believe mate, Lee Tib was still quicker at acceleration and quarter stuff with hundreds of less hp.
I know each was a totally different setup.
I think at that kinda power and with a monster turbo without a sequential box the acceleration will never be blisteringly quick
Cheers Paul
19-12-2018, 02:03 PM
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My 911 came away with huge stone chips to the front (from following other cars) and I killed 2 sets of rears in one day as they tore on the expansion gap when sliding across them.
19-12-2018, 02:31 PM
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Lee only ran at pod on road legal tyres not slicks, so if you’ve run at pod before no matter how sticky the track is if your running road legal tyres it’s still gonna be slippery off the line.
My main point being was for better acceleration off the line, road or strip I’m almost certain rods car would be a million times better with lower gearing regardless of the surface
Cheers Paul
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19-12-2018, 05:27 PM
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yes and no,
Lee only ran at pod on road legal tyres not slicks, so if you’ve run at pod before no matter how sticky the track is if your running road legal tyres it’s still gonna be slippery off the line.
My main point being was for better acceleration off the line, road or strip I’m almost certain rods car would be a million times better with lower gearing regardless of the surface
Cheers Paul
Cheers Paul
19-12-2018, 05:54 PM
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yes and no,
Lee only ran at pod on road legal tyres not slicks, so if you’ve run at pod before no matter how sticky the track is if your running road legal tyres it’s still gonna be slippery off the line.
My main point being was for better acceleration off the line, road or strip I’m almost certain rods car would be a million times better with lower gearing regardless of the surface
Cheers Paul
Cheers Paul
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19-12-2018, 06:04 PM
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Nein good matey, to new.
Proper old school muscle with lots of chrome is what il be looking for
This is the Chrysler charger I'm in talks with owner about
and a video I found of it when it was sold a few years ago
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19-12-2018, 06:27 PM
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I've got a Chrysler ch360 with a 440 I've built and put in it and a street fighter transmission but it's an ongoing project and I don't get time anymore, would be nice to get something Mopar as I may just lift the new engine and trans out of the 360 and sell the rolling shell
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19-12-2018, 06:40 PM
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road tyres will work better at drag strip ,not as good as a slick obviously but you will get more grip than on the concrete,but I agree if you wanted more acceleration then smaller wheels ,brakes permitting or different gear ratios will help.It all depends what torque is like as sometimes gearing in v8s etc is very low from like 2.89 to 3.25 ,but again they don’t tend to rev as high as a 4 cyl ,best way is just try as it is you might be surprised but for the price I’d deffo put a set of slicks on
I ran ran the same car (a 300hp rs turbo) on both a concrete airfield and also at pod, on the same tyres with a few weeks of each other and I ran almost identical times at both, ever so slightly better at pod but given more practice at the airfield I think I could of bettered it
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19-12-2018, 07:16 PM
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19-12-2018, 07:28 PM
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Just been having a read up, seems they did 3.07, 3.31 and 3.54 so rods already has the best one
Will have a look about and see if there's anything custom out there CW/pinion
19-12-2018, 07:33 PM
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I just found this showing the ratios of the old Jag irs rear end seems they to go down to 4.55 if there interchangeable
my dad ran the same in his grass track car with a 327 Chevy up front
my dad ran the same in his grass track car with a 327 Chevy up front
19-12-2018, 07:42 PM
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Again yes and no...
I ran ran the same car (a 300hp rs turbo) on both a concrete airfield and also at pod, on the same tyres with a few weeks of each other and I ran almost identical times at both, ever so slightly better at pod but given more practice at the airfield I think I could of bettered it
Cheers Paul
19-12-2018, 07:44 PM
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Just stick with the 3.54 pal I’m sure Mark will sort you out a nice launch control ,with switch on the clutch pedal,Chuck slicks on and let it have it
19-12-2018, 07:57 PM
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19-12-2018, 07:58 PM
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Just found a custom 4.09 on eBay built up with later type crown/pinion in the early case with lsd
Nice to know there's options
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JAGUAR-XJS-XJ6-4-09-PL-REAR-SALISBURY-DIFFERENTIAL-RACING-CUSTOM-REBUILT-ETYPE/222548198223?hash=item33d0e8034f:g:bcQAAOSwA3dYIxl i
Nice to know there's options
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JAGUAR-XJS-XJ6-4-09-PL-REAR-SALISBURY-DIFFERENTIAL-RACING-CUSTOM-REBUILT-ETYPE/222548198223?hash=item33d0e8034f:g:bcQAAOSwA3dYIxl i
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19-12-2018, 08:00 PM
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Just found a custom 4.09 on eBay built up with later type crown/pinion in the early case with lsd
Nice to know there's options
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JAGUAR-XJ...QAAOSwA3dYIxli
Nice to know there's options
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JAGUAR-XJ...QAAOSwA3dYIxli
I remember Rod saying they where impossible to find. If it’s cheap buy it😀
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19-12-2018, 08:06 PM
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Wish I could ask rod exactly what diff case is in the car and if the case itself was modified in any way, I'd want another whole diff so I have both not keep stripping and changing crown pinion took that
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19-12-2018, 08:08 PM
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That's a thought I don't know if the car has any launch control on it, will try it first mate and just get a 4.09 built if needed aswell
This one is only £120 I should probably buy it for crown pinion while available at that money
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/XJ6-XJ40-Jaguar-differential-RATIO-4-09/263416097340?hash=item3d54d2aa3c:g:~WYAAOSwI8laS9Y L
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19-12-2018, 08:12 PM
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That's a thought I don't know if the car has any launch control on it, will try it first mate and just get a 4.09 built if needed aswell
This one is only £120 I should probably buy it for crown pinion while available at that money
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/XJ6-XJ40-Jaguar-differential-RATIO-4-09/263416097340?hash=item3d54d2aa3c:g:~WYAAOSwI8laS9Y L
This one is only £120 I should probably buy it for crown pinion while available at that money
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/XJ6-XJ40-Jaguar-differential-RATIO-4-09/263416097340?hash=item3d54d2aa3c:g:~WYAAOSwI8laS9Y L
19-12-2018, 08:40 PM
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I like that your on it already
19-12-2018, 08:53 PM
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I think that case fits e type and xj6 so will need to have a good study of rods diff case to see what's interchangeable, also found a Jag 4.09 diff on there non powerlock for £120 so if I want to change should be plenty of options
Wish I could ask rod exactly what diff case is in the car and if the case itself was modified in any way, I'd want another whole diff so I have both not keep stripping and changing crown pinion took that lol
Wish I could ask rod exactly what diff case is in the car and if the case itself was modified in any way, I'd want another whole diff so I have both not keep stripping and changing crown pinion took that
lolI supplied the diff as it had been sitting in a lockup for about 15years lol. The diff is a 3.55 power lock out of a Daimler lim it was rebuilt by Cts if my memory serves me correct.
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19-12-2018, 08:57 PM
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I doubt it would be too difficult to get a yank muscle car alloy diff in there and have the choice of any ratio and power handling that you could ever want. Get a spare hoop and get the diff to fit and then add adapters to the drive shafts???