matthewpickup

I am looking for a fuel swirl pot , which one do I need ie size ? 2.5 ltr?

I plan to use a facet red pump as a lift pump and to feed the engine a 044 pump , I have found pots with a 13mm outlet but is this big enough to fed the 044 pump?

any info would be good to know before I buy one

thanks all

timsrs

This is the setup i have in my mk1 cossie..my swirl is 2.0LTR
The feed i have is much bigger than 13mm think its a -10 (approx 20mm)
You need plenty of flow onto the 044 dont want it running dry..

ajamesc

My saff has a 1.5 litre one in the boot fed by an 044 also feeds an 044 that feeds the rail. My swirl pot was an after fault after fitting a non genuine cosworth fuel tank hence why I've an 044 as a lift pump my lift pump feeds the swirl pot via -8 then the swirl pot to second pump is -10 like the tank to original pump!

De4n0

Just a clue to what you'll need mate.

This is what I got,

-2.5l swirl pot/surge tank with an8 connections,
-an8 hose connectors from torques (you'll find them on ebay)
- a 50mm fuel pump clamp, braided fuel lines (make sure it is the right size hose for the an8 connectors)
-an8 blanking plug
-better fuel filter also with an8 connectors
-lots of rubber sleeved p clips for the hose
-bosch 044 pump
-torques 044 check valve
-90 degree an8 connector for the top over flow/return pipe
-grommets so the car isn't cutting through the hose and so it's water tight.
-an8 female-bosch 044 inlet connector.

Total around Ł500.00 but could be done cheaper if you cut out a few parts that arnt needed to for it to perform reasonably well. Do lots of research mate.

matthewpickup

thanks for all the help so far guys

I should have mentioned I already have the 044 pump and fuel filter (sierra cosworth) , I plan to have it mounted it the pick up bed (with a cover so will be water tight ) this would be on top of where the tank is but I guess that does not matter as the cars have them in the same place .

the reason I am going to get one is I use to get fuel starvation when it was a diesel , but with pinto engine I had in after that I did not have any problems but I think that's down to the carb having a bowel so it was ok , but don't want to risk the cosworth engine .

matthewpickup

the problem I may have is its the standard p100 tank so its not as big as the cosworth outlet on the tank , so I may need to make this bigger , if I can get enough of a feed from it , I just don't know really tbh

matthewpickup

thanks for the pictures mate very helpful , if you don't mind me asking where did you buy all this from?

matthewpickup

thanks for the size helps me know what to look for , I don't understand all these -10 size things so thanks

ajamesc

Dash 10 is what the original hose from a cosworth tank to pump is dash 8 is Hugh fuel line and is what I have for 650bhp dash 6 will do you fine too and from the rail! Torques on eBay sell every thing you need also Teflon lined hose is what you really won't to be using fook the rubber stuff

matthewpickup

ah thanks yea don't need anything big as I will be running 380ish , do you have the Teflon hose? if so any idea cost wise?

ajamesc

Yeah I use Teflon it dosent have a fuel smell like the rubber stuff! Sure I did all mine for about 450-500 but that's also modding my rail and tank as I have no hose clips at all every thing is aero quipped

matthewpickup

hmm may need to get the Teflon stuff , its not to costly , just been looking on the torques ebay page that's a really good shop so much stuff , think I need a list , although there is the list from the guy above .
thanks for your help everyone much appreciated

De4n0

All an ebay job mate, torques shop on ebay will sell everything you need but you may be able to save a bit of cash by getting the fuel pump mount and tank from other sellers. Just make sure you get the right adapters to go with the tank, pump, hose etc.. With the pump it cost around the Ł500 mark but saving are to be had.

matthewpickup

hi guys , quick question , I have found these hose finishers , they have a jubilee clip behind/ in the fitting , so are these for on the hose to a pipe for example ? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8-AN8-17mm...item27bda89ef0

here is the I am talking about

muz

Don't buy those hose finishers. They work out almost as expensive as actual fittings and are shit. I did my car in those then had to re do it with proper JIC fittings. Expensive lesson learnt. There is a way you can calculate how bug the swirl pot needs to be. On mine we worked out that a 1l pot would provide 30 seconds of surge protection for 300bhp, which would be plenty in my case so we made the pot as small as possible, 1litre, but you might need a bigger one depending on power.



Goes into an alloy fuel filter in the engine bay.

De4n0

Nice setup mate and good advice, I know it's tempting to go for the cheaper option but spend money in the right areas and you'll save your welt allot of time and maybe even money. Ask lots of questions mate, I'd say 1.5l+ tank would be idea for any sub 500bhp car.

muz

Yeah, a 1.5l pot would be good to be on the safe side. I'm using a Bosch 979 pump which doesn't flow quite so much as a 044.

matthewpickup

thanks for more info guys , very helpful

I am going to buy a 2.5 ltr swirl pot as space is not an issue with the pick up .

so whats the thoughts on this swirl pot ?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-ESCOR...item2a27da9808

any good do you guys think ?

De4n0

That pot looks good mate, however it doesn't need to be for an escort, there universal and you could get one cheaper, this is what I got,

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3706387671...84.m1439.l2649

matthewpickup

that looks good only thing I am not too sure about it says its got slight imperfections , I am trying to do every thing the best I can so think I will go for that 2.5 ltr one sets my mind at ease a little more too knowing there's more fuel there too albeit a tiny amount lol

thanks for your help great to be able to talk to people that have do this

matthewpickup

forget that I have just bought one the same as yours , the more I look at it the more I like it

Rsturbo519

Hi, what low pressure pump have you got in this picture, I would like to use the same, your setup there looks great, also is there a reason y ur running a 979 instead off 044

c20tbo

iTrader: (1)

I have on my Escort, 023 in tank pump - to oe fuel filter - to undercar fuel pot - from pot -10 to Deatschwerks 350 pump/checkvalve, - fuel filter -6 - to rail - from rail to Turbosmart FPR - from there back to fuel pot - then I have an over flow from pot back to original tank -4, all other lines are -6 and i'll be around 600bhp

muz

It's a Facet Red top. It may need a second pump now I've increased the power as I haven't worked out if it will keep up with demand yet. I used the 979 as a local motorsport company had loads of them in stock when it went for some work and needed a new pump. Looks more like this now.

muz

It's a Facet Red top. It may need a second pump now I've increased the power as I haven't worked out if it will keep up with demand yet. I used the 979 as a local motorsport company had loads of them in stock when it went for some work and needed a new pump. Looks more like this now.


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stevieturbo

If going to the trouble of having a custom tank made...it seems so odd not to design it so it doesnt need an additional swirl tank. Even more so when it's already a small tank which wont suffer badly from surge in the first place.

And given that overall design, just use an EFI pump for the lift pump, or you could use one of the Carter/FM carb type pumps instead.

Those old crappy Facet type pumps flow feck all. That red top would barely be enough fuel to maintain supply for 250-300hp.

Above that level your swirl tank will be draining.

costina

iTrader: (1)

The above is totally correct regarding the facet pumps they are also really noisey.
I used a holley blue pump which worked really well.
My return was plumbed into the swirl pot which in some cases can be a problem due to hot fuel.

Best way as Steve has said design a new tank to use and internal pump or a 044 cossie external pump. Try someone like concept racing.