Hi everyone , I have just come back from a trip up to Blackpool to take my 2wd Sapphire Cosworth to MSD to get them to sort out some low speed rough running after having a lot of modifications done by Malcolm and Richard at Tremona Garage in Southampton. The modifications included a hydraulic clutch conversion ( best thing ever ) lightened flywheel, new 6 paddle clutch,new engine loom ( by bespoke looms, top quality ) new Bosch 044 fuel pump, A&S new hart style inlet plenum, Siemens 83lb injectors, new T38 turbo from CR turbos with billet commpresor wheel and new turbo damper, wasted spark ignition system and L8 ecu. The engine already had the 200 wire rung block,balanced bottom end, low comp pocketed pistons, group A spec cylinder head, Bd 10 & Bd 12 cams etc. The guys at Tremona Garage did a lot of hard work to get everything fitted properly as a lot of things were not just bolt straight on ! The new off the shelf MSD chip that I got was fine to get the engine up and running but was not as it should be. This is why even though it is a fair way to go the trip to MSD was needed. I have to say how impressed I was with the new rolling road they have now got and very impressed with the re-map they carried out. They extracted an extra 40BHP, eliminated the low down rough running and have transformed the car into a beast!! The acceleration and power is fantastic now and I am having to get used to handling the dry road power slides!! Their expertise is superb and I would say to anyone with a Cosworth it is well worth the trip to Blackpool if you want to get the best out of your engine. Richard from Southampton.

 

Glad to hear your happy Richard!

 

its great to here the good stories about tuners richard ,it sounds like a beast

 

MSD know their stuff

 

I am looking forward to getting my car finished and setup with them.

If I were you I would be changing cams in that engine.
Std exhaust and at minimum a bd 14 in.

 

What power @ the wheels did it make Richard ?

Steve

 

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What power ???

 

Hi Steve, I dont know what it made at the wheels it was 422 bhp at the flywheel. The figure is not that important to me , its how the car drives now . It has always been a fast car, but it is in another league now!! It has become a beast with fierce acceleration and massive power. As soon as you get into second and plant your foot down it gets massive wheelspin and power slides away !! It just pulls and pulls with no turbo lag. I love it and track days are on the agenda for next year. I have already got a set of track day tyres for it!
The other end of the scale is how smooth it is now at low speeds. Cheers Richard Green.

 

Very pleased for you Richard.

Steve

 

MSD are the best.

 

I've also been to MSD with my saph 4x4 twice this year had various things done from wasted spark, new wiring loom, fuel pump, fuel pump loom, fuel pressure reg, sorted out starting probs, new chip & set up on the rollers, like Richard said these guys know there stuff
I wouldn't go anywhere else & can't recommend them enough....

 

I've had a few chips off MSD and had some very good results.

Glad your happy. I would like to see mine up there at some point.

Paul

 

surprised to hear that as actually you don't know what it made at the flywheel as it would have been measured 'at the wheels' i thought MSD wouldn't be giving out 'flywheel; figures after all that's been said on here about them

glad you're happy with it though

 

Thought that spec should have made a bit more than that, what was the power at the wheels ?

 

We usually do supply wheel power, and I still can should the customer want a copy. Every run is recorded and kept on our data base forever.

In this case though the car wasnt really here for any power increases, the customer was already happy with performance, so we didnt push things as far as we could. Im sure should the customer want more power in the future we could push things on a little,

it was in for a fix on low down drivability, i just happened to use the dyno to rectify the issue. The graphs printed were mainly to show AFR against boost.

 

Thanks James

 

Must be time yours came back

 

iirc the dd correction it would of made about 359 rwhp if its 2wd assumeing 17.5% correction.

I don't see the issue with using flywheel figures all car manufacturers do as do engine dynos and dd dynos aren't exactly generous.
the silliness comes from wheel measured power correction factors used on hub figures imo.

msd dyno is well set up so the fugures will be close enough without getting all f1 about it

 

Why are the figures so important ? If you came for a ride in my car and I let you guess at the BHP I can guarantee you would say a lot higher than 422 at the flywheel!! It drives like an animal and I can say with no bullshit I have had a race with a 2012 twin turbo Porsche 911 540 bhp and it really struggled to match the acceleration of my car. The owner was shocked and said he was really trying and could not believe how quick it was! It is really struggling for grip now so I think it is just about spot on. If it had a lot more power it would be almost undriveable in the lower gears ! Cheers Richard.

 

would love a tuning session at msd with the orion but not sure it would cope with long journey lol

 

I cruised up there from southend one early morning in the saph which was dying for improvement , arrived at 9.30 all setup & stg1 by about 3pm iirc and cruised back with a big smile all the way home . Brilliant service and didnt cost the world like some assume with these cars.

 

I came from Northern Ireland to MSD. You English boys have no excuses about it being too far

 

Never failed me in 10 years of upswing them .. And I look forward to using them again in the foreseeable future for mine and my wife's cars

 

Aye it is mate, getting married this year put it to one side but hopefully get it down nest year though.

 

They're not important mate, just thought it would have made more, as long as you're happy that's all that matters

 

ok my excuse is invalid then lol

 

That's what a good Cosworth is all about, great fun & punching well above its class! Be interesting to see the comparative power to weight ratios with your car being tuned. I'm looking at a 996 turbo for my next car, pretty epic cars.

 

No lol make sure she,s all ok and fill the tank and get it up there you wont regret it.
Mike

 

Are you gonna spend some money of the Focus RS mat?

 

Love hearing stories of our old fords beating modern performance cars.I bet the bloke in the posh beetle was gutted he got nacked buy an old sierra.

 

Can't fault them! Drove 562miles in a day there and back and was money well spent

 

Or perhaps he is a fellow petrol head who likes to see a car like a Cosworth being used, and knows how well a tuned car can go?

 

I need to trip up after I've done my 500 miles running in period.

I hear nothing but good things.

 

msd they had a cossie somebody named john lawley or somthing his car blew up i think on there dyno first pj done something then it whent to msd for afters lol not putting msd in the bad reputation or anything just currous thats all?

 

Any one now John lawley and what happened to his Cossie as mines going in dyno soon so was abit concerned?

 

Putting your car on a dyno is totally at customers risk. Anything can fail and if its mechanical its just bad luck.
But even if its down to fuel a engine that's been detonating for a while will be more prone to putting a hole in a piston even if the fuelling has been checked along with det.

Things go wrong its the nature of the game.

 

No I'm thinking about a Es cos .. 500-550bhp

 

Do it

 

as awesome as that would be (and I would love one) the reality is it will need a skyline gearbox and diffs to be anywhere near reliable and used hard, with that in mind its a lot cheaper and easier to just buy a gtr.

my r33 was only £15500 640 hp and can use it all put it down and nothing has broken yet (touches wood) lol
I would love an escos its just the cost that puts me off if trying to run nig power and make it reliable