rsmark86

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Shame really mate

gjh

It is, I'm sure there are some perfectly good potential TOTB cars out there mind.

Joe91

Just had my car mapped at NMS on Friday, well impressed with it..Running 18psi low boost and 28psi high boost..Sounds incredible and is very very quick for my liking anyway..

Spoke to oli about his car, he's building his new engine so he will be back put before long, very very well spec'd aswell..IT IS NOW 1600 cvh not his 1.9cvh tall block, I won't say the spec because I can't remember exactly what he said so I won't make bullshit about it, I'm sure one of the
Local boys can ask him.

Also goes without saying, their work is outstanding, well chuffed with how the car goes now.

Joe

Canada1

I would love to hear more about your engine Joe. is it a CVH?
Love to hear details!

Cheers,

Perry

gus

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Also more on ollies. Was crazy before

G2RSR

have a look here mate, his restoration thread

https://passionford.com/forum/restor...-to-27psi.html

Joe91

1600cvh, NMS head, newmans phase 5 cam, steel roads and forged pistons, pace intercooler and alloy rad..T34 turbo, omex 600 management, running 28psi..hmm trying to think now!! Ill add more when I remember.

Oli's will be well over 400bhp I think he said, running NMS spec T4. That's all I'm certain on, he would only say a little haha.

Joe

rsmark86

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So with tim, gus, wenny, cars wil Pedley is building, rod and so on there's plenty of cars on here that could go, oh and Luca and crazycage ect

rsmark86

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Bit of info for the OP to show that a mk1 frs engine just needs bolt on parts to run 350bhp, have alook at the info in the link and the "bolt on kits" that don't require internals

http://www.pumaspeed.co.uk/car-Focus...-2003_9_22.jsp

QplateRST!

I think we should organise are own thrash!

StephenC

I'll never forget the day Karl set my CVH up, the drive home was out of this world. Pulling alongside M3's and just leaving them for dead made the years of work all worth while. Cant wait to get her running again.

stuart collins

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yes yes , when ?? where ? im not aloud on brutters tho

QplateRST!

Can elivington be hired out for the day I would love to do 0-60 and 0-100 do any of the mags own timing gear?

Even if its Ł100-Ł150 per car it's still worth it in my eyes

stuart collins

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find out mate and see how much would work out each

CrOwSoN15

Isn't that what a track day costs anyway? Maybe a bit less? Well worth it though, would be an awesome day!

XRT_si

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Santa Pod is around Ł5000 to rent for a day with the safety crew who have to be there. Brunters will ban most cars with external wastegates, which is most of the fast cars TBH.

Before I left Performance Ford we were trying to sort a thrash but it was proven tricky!

gjh

What about javelin track days? Pretty sure total Vauxhall mag managed to have a couple of thrashes with everything being organised by them and then the mag just covered it, that way they didn't have any responsibility. Might be work investigating?

rsmark86

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Might be worth a try?

Rob_DOHC

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I just don't see the point of using the duratec bottom end with inserts just to make it a 1.6??? Why would you bother.

russ rs

Exactly. Just duratec it

rsmark86

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No different to using a Zvh or zetec

crazycage

I cant see how they can use the duratec bottom end its not a ford block

jamie's

duratec seems daft to me, mazda block that runs a chain?
i dont see anything lining up-water jackets, oil ways etc
cant be a duratec surely

russ rs

It was on an old post try find link. 15k build our summat

russ rs

Think karlos knew summit about it

Rob_DOHC

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Might be a zetec bottom end. They called the zetec a duratec in some cars for a little while iirc....?

Its for people that stick to a 1.6 just to prove a point if that makes sense? Nothing wrong with it but it just seems like a bizarre approach to getting more power.

Rob,

Karlos G

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That is most likely the case, I can't remember exactly what Karl said they use as it was at least 2 years ago now, but it did involve custom liners to bring it back down to a 1.6, custom rods, pistons and crank too.

jamie's

mk1 focus rs engine was badged up as a duratec but it was just a blacktop zetec
maybe that?

rsmark86

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it could be hence why it needs loads of custom parts and a mk2 frs box?

XRT_si

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It was a Zetec, not a Duratec.

russ rs

passionford.com/...rs.../396812-best-mod-for-escort-rs-turbo-s1.html

StephenC

Example of an evo engine in a light car! (its the one with mk1 frs box). Sounds a handful but a right laugh

Canada1

I am sure the "Duratec" block is the Zetec version.
For a very high boost build sleeving the Zetec block to a smaller bore size makes perfect sense. This provides for much thicker cylinder walls for big boost.
The Zetec blocks do not have very thick walled cylinders. The CGI version was great - but there are few around and very costly if you can find one.

Rob_DOHC

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With people making well over 500 bhp with a 2.0 zetec block, sleeving it to 1600cc's makes no sense to me, Sorry. Very roughly, at 250bhp per litre, 400cc would mean a 100bhp loss just from capacity alone, 500bhp with a gt3076 on a YB is getting on for 30-35psi of boost @ 2000cc.

Im also not sure why you would need thicker cylinder walls for high boost either? Are people cracking bores (genuine question)? Thicker cylinder walls for reduced block flex yes and for larger hg fire rings (although I would be trying solid copper gaskets at that power..).

Canada1

I disagree with you a little Rob.
A 16 valve zetec at 500 hp level requires alot less boost than a 500 hp (theoretical) cvh.
And big power zetecs do split cylinder walls!

Rob_DOHC

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Your kind of agreeing with that statement though Perry, so 400cc less and a drop in VE would mean an even greater air demand to make 500bhp..... ie, don't mess around, just fit a zetec to begin with unless you have lots of money, time and something to prove.

But I didn't know zetecs were splitting cylinder walls, I knew many were having major oil pump issues (which I believe is a crank harmonics issue) but not that people were cracking cylinder walls.

Im not 100% sure I would blame that on high boost alone either.

I don't hate cvh's, they have a kind of rustic charm which I love. Thats why my car still has one. But if I had a 300-500 bhp target there is utterly no way I would be building a cvh.

Rob,

CrOwSoN15

Must admit, I've never heard of a Zetec splitting a cylinder wall! Even big spec 500+bhp seem to be fine.

Canada1

The Zetec CGI block was specifically designed for high boost applications for increased reliability - used for factory rally efforts.
If the factory thin wall zetec blocks were indestructible at the 500 BHP level why would Ford racing go through the expense of a different block for performance use?

Most of the big power builds I have seen on PF have used the CGI block. Even Jano had a few CGI blocks for high power builds I seem to recall.

I would never trust a thin wall zetec or cvh block at 30+ psi boost levels.

Anyhow - just my opinion of course.

CrOwSoN15

Fair point, however I think added reliability more than anything would be the case with the rally boys.

I've only seen one project on here using a CGI block, and that had 600bhp potential.

crazycage

i'd like to see some of the 500hp blocks that have failed . ive just built one that's spec'd for 550hp on standard crank and block and main caps