YOUR ideal spec for a 500bhp YB?
27-04-2013, 07:11 AM
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Mark is going to check out the engine in my 205 pug 4x4 when it is back together from paint shop and then we are looking at autronic plus the smallest bw. I think we are going to have to keep the power down though as the 4x4 system is standard and will lunch itself.
But my ideal 500 bhp spec is as above. small lag but big boost. My old merc E55 AMG supercharged made 490 bhp and 518lbft...that thing felt immense at nearly 1850kg......my pug is not over 1000kg!!!
But my ideal 500 bhp spec is as above. small lag but big boost. My old merc E55 AMG supercharged made 490 bhp and 518lbft...that thing felt immense at nearly 1850kg......my pug is not over 1000kg!!!
27-04-2013, 09:58 AM
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My ideal spec:
-200 YBT-block with dry liners, 10 Mountune's long studs, oil jets, 3 steel main caps, all main bolts +10mm longer, twin oil feed
-DKE 80mm crank, Auto Verdi 136mm rods, 92mm CP 7.8:1 pistons (2127cc)
-4wd head 26mm/25mm (ported by Kosunen), hydr. cams and Eibach springs from Turbosystems, Kent's verniers, JGE Cometic 1.14mm cooperring gasket
-RS500 ported inlet / plenum, 2wd ex. manifold, "RS500"-turbo, RS500 cooler, 3" Mongoose
-Vipec V44, 1100cc EV14 injectors, 4x Bosch 024-coils, Bosch 044 fuel pump, AEM-regulator
-200 YBT-block with dry liners, 10 Mountune's long studs, oil jets, 3 steel main caps, all main bolts +10mm longer, twin oil feed
-DKE 80mm crank, Auto Verdi 136mm rods, 92mm CP 7.8:1 pistons (2127cc)
-4wd head 26mm/25mm (ported by Kosunen), hydr. cams and Eibach springs from Turbosystems, Kent's verniers, JGE Cometic 1.14mm cooperring gasket
-RS500 ported inlet / plenum, 2wd ex. manifold, "RS500"-turbo, RS500 cooler, 3" Mongoose
-Vipec V44, 1100cc EV14 injectors, 4x Bosch 024-coils, Bosch 044 fuel pump, AEM-regulator
27-04-2013, 10:08 AM
#51
depends on budgets as everyone will be different
i guess i would want
vipec with wide band and closed loop
standard compression
pocketed pistons
worked head
hart inlet
83lbs siemens
gt3076
external waste gate and screamer set up
6 long studs
fully balanced
and cams on custom grinds to suit spec
i guess i would want
vipec with wide band and closed loop
standard compression
pocketed pistons
worked head
hart inlet
83lbs siemens
gt3076
external waste gate and screamer set up
6 long studs
fully balanced
and cams on custom grinds to suit spec
27-04-2013, 01:09 PM
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my own new engine spec..
Std rebuilt 200 block on 8.1 cr with big valve cut outs
Lightened and balanced crank and rods with arp con rod bolts
neil roper 26/25 mm ported head
custom inlet cam
hart inlet plenum
gtx 3071 twin scroll .82 housing
Iv been promised 500/500 no probs..
Std rebuilt 200 block on 8.1 cr with big valve cut outs
Lightened and balanced crank and rods with arp con rod bolts
neil roper 26/25 mm ported head
custom inlet cam
hart inlet plenum
gtx 3071 twin scroll .82 housing
Iv been promised 500/500 no probs..
27-04-2013, 01:57 PM
#53
my own new engine spec..
Std rebuilt 200 block on 8.1 cr with big valve cut outs
Lightened and balanced crank and rods with arp con rod bolts
neil roper 26/25 mm ported head
custom inlet cam
hart inlet plenum
gtx 3071 twin scroll .82 housing
Iv been promised 500/500 no probs..
Std rebuilt 200 block on 8.1 cr with big valve cut outs
Lightened and balanced crank and rods with arp con rod bolts
neil roper 26/25 mm ported head
custom inlet cam
hart inlet plenum
gtx 3071 twin scroll .82 housing
Iv been promised 500/500 no probs..
What ecu and chip are you using? Head gasket? Fuel pump? Injectors?
27-04-2013, 03:06 PM
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27-04-2013, 03:52 PM
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I think old school sucks lol looks good in a museum and I guess it's cheep against a twin scroll external waste gate set up but defo not for me!
But we are all different lol so I know there's a fair few who will totally disagree.
As for me I think mine go's well on an m.a.d gt30 set up on an sm4 ecu but is getting a little out dated now lol.
Just fitted a hart inlet and spec-r intercooler so maybe a new exhaust manifold and turbo will be on the cards.
But that will lead to wonting wrc rods and steel liners so could get very expencive
But we are all different lol so I know there's a fair few who will totally disagree.
As for me I think mine go's well on an m.a.d gt30 set up on an sm4 ecu but is getting a little out dated now lol.
Just fitted a hart inlet and spec-r intercooler so maybe a new exhaust manifold and turbo will be on the cards.
But that will lead to wonting wrc rods and steel liners so could get very expencive
Last edited by ajamesc; 27-04-2013 at 03:54 PM.
27-04-2013, 04:07 PM
#57
I think old school sucks lol looks good in a museum and I guess it's cheep against a twin scroll external waste gate set up but defo not for me!
But we are all different lol so I know there's a fair few who will totally disagree.
As for me I think mine go's well on an m.a.d gt30 set up on an sm4 ecu but is getting a little out dated now lol.
Just fitted a hart inlet and spec-r intercooler so maybe a new exhaust manifold and turbo will be on the cards.
But that will lead to wonting wrc rods and steel liners so could get very expencive
But we are all different lol so I know there's a fair few who will totally disagree.
As for me I think mine go's well on an m.a.d gt30 set up on an sm4 ecu but is getting a little out dated now lol.
Just fitted a hart inlet and spec-r intercooler so maybe a new exhaust manifold and turbo will be on the cards.
But that will lead to wonting wrc rods and steel liners so could get very expencive
From what I've heard and read the hart inlet and spec r cooler will give really good gains.
27-04-2013, 04:13 PM
#58
cossie fan (unluckerly)
I lost interest in the car for a long time but am now looking forward to using it again as of next month!
I've just fully aero quipped my fuel system and parts of my cooling system and done the inlet manifold / intercooler as said I'm taking it to work on Thursday as I just got a 300mm rear brake set up then I need to get it up to mark for a re map as for gains I've no idea maybe 10 too 20 bhp?
27-04-2013, 04:19 PM
#59
I think old school sucks lol looks good in a museum and I guess it's cheep against a twin scroll external waste gate set up but defo not for me!
But we are all different lol so I know there's a fair few who will totally disagree.
As for me I think mine go's well on an m.a.d gt30 set up on an sm4 ecu but is getting a little out dated now lol.
Just fitted a hart inlet and spec-r intercooler so maybe a new exhaust manifold and turbo will be on the cards.
But that will lead to wonting wrc rods and steel liners so could get very expencive
But we are all different lol so I know there's a fair few who will totally disagree.
As for me I think mine go's well on an m.a.d gt30 set up on an sm4 ecu but is getting a little out dated now lol.
Just fitted a hart inlet and spec-r intercooler so maybe a new exhaust manifold and turbo will be on the cards.
But that will lead to wonting wrc rods and steel liners so could get very expencive
27-04-2013, 04:46 PM
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well my guess at 500bhp and what im going for after my engine is run in on a standard setup is -
completely standard 205 bottom end including standard grind crank bearings etc with the exception of arp conrod bolts
completely standard small turbo cylinder head unskimmed, new standard size valves, standard cams, standard ports
standard small turbo head gasket
standard head bolts
standard 2wd inlet manifold
l8 ecu
siemens black injectors
t38 turbo
3 bar map sensor
msd wasted spark
msd ecu chip
rs500 intercooler
obviously im not a tuner but im interested to see the results i get with this spec when its done and hope the t38 turbo is less laggy then a t4 with the ports still being standard as thats the way id like to go, not saying itll reach 500bhp but im aiming for somewhere near that with this setup
completely standard 205 bottom end including standard grind crank bearings etc with the exception of arp conrod bolts
completely standard small turbo cylinder head unskimmed, new standard size valves, standard cams, standard ports
standard small turbo head gasket
standard head bolts
standard 2wd inlet manifold
l8 ecu
siemens black injectors
t38 turbo
3 bar map sensor
msd wasted spark
msd ecu chip
rs500 intercooler
obviously im not a tuner but im interested to see the results i get with this spec when its done and hope the t38 turbo is less laggy then a t4 with the ports still being standard as thats the way id like to go, not saying itll reach 500bhp but im aiming for somewhere near that with this setup
27-04-2013, 05:38 PM
#61
well my guess at 500bhp and what im going for after my engine is run in on a standard setup is -
completely standard 205 bottom end including standard grind crank bearings etc with the exception of arp conrod bolts
completely standard small turbo cylinder head unskimmed, new standard size valves, standard cams, standard ports
standard small turbo head gasket
standard head bolts
standard 2wd inlet manifold
l8 ecu
siemens black injectors
t38 turbo
3 bar map sensor
msd wasted spark
msd ecu chip
rs500 intercooler
obviously im not a tuner but im interested to see the results i get with this spec when its done and hope the t38 turbo is less laggy then a t4 with the ports still being standard as thats the way id like to go, not saying itll reach 500bhp but im aiming for somewhere near that with this setup
completely standard 205 bottom end including standard grind crank bearings etc with the exception of arp conrod bolts
completely standard small turbo cylinder head unskimmed, new standard size valves, standard cams, standard ports
standard small turbo head gasket
standard head bolts
standard 2wd inlet manifold
l8 ecu
siemens black injectors
t38 turbo
3 bar map sensor
msd wasted spark
msd ecu chip
rs500 intercooler
obviously im not a tuner but im interested to see the results i get with this spec when its done and hope the t38 turbo is less laggy then a t4 with the ports still being standard as thats the way id like to go, not saying itll reach 500bhp but im aiming for somewhere near that with this setup
27-04-2013, 05:49 PM
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well my guess at 500bhp and what im going for after my engine is run in on a standard setup is -
completely standard 205 bottom end including standard grind crank bearings etc with the exception of arp conrod bolts
completely standard small turbo cylinder head unskimmed, new standard size valves, standard cams, standard ports
standard small turbo head gasket
standard head bolts
standard 2wd inlet manifold
l8 ecu
siemens black injectors
t38 turbo
3 bar map sensor
msd wasted spark
msd ecu chip
rs500 intercooler
obviously im not a tuner but im interested to see the results i get with this spec when its done and hope the t38 turbo is less laggy then a t4 with the ports still being standard as thats the way id like to go, not saying itll reach 500bhp but im aiming for somewhere near that with this setup
completely standard 205 bottom end including standard grind crank bearings etc with the exception of arp conrod bolts
completely standard small turbo cylinder head unskimmed, new standard size valves, standard cams, standard ports
standard small turbo head gasket
standard head bolts
standard 2wd inlet manifold
l8 ecu
siemens black injectors
t38 turbo
3 bar map sensor
msd wasted spark
msd ecu chip
rs500 intercooler
obviously im not a tuner but im interested to see the results i get with this spec when its done and hope the t38 turbo is less laggy then a t4 with the ports still being standard as thats the way id like to go, not saying itll reach 500bhp but im aiming for somewhere near that with this setup
27-04-2013, 06:10 PM
#64
I think old school sucks lol looks good in a museum and I guess it's cheep against a twin scroll external waste gate set up but defo not for me!
But we are all different lol so I know there's a fair few who will totally disagree.
As for me I think mine go's well on an m.a.d gt30 set up on an sm4 ecu but is getting a little out dated now lol.
Just fitted a hart inlet and spec-r intercooler so maybe a new exhaust manifold and turbo will be on the cards.
But that will lead to wonting wrc rods and steel liners so could get very expencive
But we are all different lol so I know there's a fair few who will totally disagree.
As for me I think mine go's well on an m.a.d gt30 set up on an sm4 ecu but is getting a little out dated now lol.
Just fitted a hart inlet and spec-r intercooler so maybe a new exhaust manifold and turbo will be on the cards.
But that will lead to wonting wrc rods and steel liners so could get very expencive
27-04-2013, 06:32 PM
#65
cossie fan (unluckerly)
But if there your thing that's fine like I say every one is different and it all depends who's advise you choose to take!
27-04-2013, 06:52 PM
#66
The problem with that comment is where do you want it to perform? I'm interested in top end power and it performs better over the equivilent gt series turbos so for me and my needs I'm happy spending silly money on an "old turbo" as it performs perfectly!
See if I'd have put a BW on my car and it pulls hard at 3500 but I can't rev past 7.5 (or peak at 5900 like marks customer) its pointless for me. Do you see where I'm coming from im not trying to be arkward or picky just getting my point across horses for courses and people putting down others choices shouldn't when they don't know what that person is after exactly 
See if I'd have put a BW on my car and it pulls hard at 3500 but I can't rev past 7.5 (or peak at 5900 like marks customer) its pointless for me. Do you see where I'm coming from im not trying to be arkward or picky just getting my point across
horses for courses and people putting down others choices shouldn't when they don't know what that person is after exactly
27-04-2013, 06:55 PM
#67
cossie fan (unluckerly)
But it's been stated the engine in that graph would have preformed better with a different exhaust cam so I'm shore the bw can out do the modded t4!
But like you say every one has different ideas and different goals with there cars!
And be be fair most people using a t4 turbo with have a bog standard t4 which will be out preformed by a gt series let alone a bw
But like you say every one has different ideas and different goals with there cars!
And be be fair most people using a t4 turbo with have a bog standard t4 which will be out preformed by a gt series let alone a bw
Last edited by ajamesc; 27-04-2013 at 06:57 PM.
27-04-2013, 06:57 PM
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The problem with that comment is where do you want it to perform? I'm interested in top end power and it performs better over the equivilent gt series turbos so for me and my needs I'm happy spending silly money on an "old turbo" as it performs perfectly!
See if I'd have put a BW on my car and it pulls hard at 3500 but I can't rev past 7.5 (or peak at 5900 like marks customer) its pointless for me. Do you see where I'm coming from im not trying to be arkward or picky just getting my point across horses for courses and people putting down others choices shouldn't when they don't know what that person is after exactly
See if I'd have put a BW on my car and it pulls hard at 3500 but I can't rev past 7.5 (or peak at 5900 like marks customer) its pointless for me. Do you see where I'm coming from im not trying to be arkward or picky just getting my point across
horses for courses and people putting down others choices shouldn't when they don't know what that person is after exactly surely even a gtx3076r would outperform any t4 everywhere wouldnt it jimbo ?
27-04-2013, 07:23 PM
#69
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The problem with that comment is where do you want it to perform? I'm interested in top end power and it performs better over the equivilent gt series turbos so for me and my needs I'm happy spending silly money on an "old turbo" as it performs perfectly!
See if I'd have put a BW on my car and it pulls hard at 3500 but I can't rev past 7.5 (or peak at 5900 like marks customer) its pointless for me. Do you see where I'm coming from im not trying to be arkward or picky just getting my point across horses for courses and people putting down others choices shouldn't when they don't know what that person is after exactly
See if I'd have put a BW on my car and it pulls hard at 3500 but I can't rev past 7.5 (or peak at 5900 like marks customer) its pointless for me. Do you see where I'm coming from im not trying to be arkward or picky just getting my point across
horses for courses and people putting down others choices shouldn't when they don't know what that person is after exactly Mark
27-04-2013, 07:25 PM
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from what i remember of the thread mate it only peaks at 5900 rpm as the boost drops off after that, now if it drops off due to running out of puff or if it is physically held back i dont know ?
surely even a gtx3076r would outperform any t4 everywhere wouldnt it jimbo ?
surely even a gtx3076r would outperform any t4 everywhere wouldnt it jimbo ?
I made no attempt to hold extra boost as we had 750cc injectors running at 93% at 7k, Now we see the graph some tweaks can be made to hold the power futher up the range.
Mark
27-04-2013, 07:26 PM
#71
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my own new engine spec..
Std rebuilt 200 block on 8.1 cr with big valve cut outs
Lightened and balanced crank and rods with arp con rod bolts
neil roper 26/25 mm ported head
custom inlet cam
hart inlet plenum
gtx 3071 twin scroll .82 housing
Iv been promised 500/500 no probs..
Std rebuilt 200 block on 8.1 cr with big valve cut outs
Lightened and balanced crank and rods with arp con rod bolts
neil roper 26/25 mm ported head
custom inlet cam
hart inlet plenum
gtx 3071 twin scroll .82 housing
Iv been promised 500/500 no probs..
Mark
27-04-2013, 08:00 PM
#72
Post 6 by Paul and then by Jimbo and then give it too Tony 
Ignore Rod and everyone else old school is the way to go imo .Its just my view and what I WOULD DO for myself
.I dont care what makes what,this is the spec I would want.Seen it proven.Good old spec
Ignore Rod and everyone else old school is the way to go imo .Its just my view and what I WOULD DO for myself
.I dont care what makes what,this is the spec I would want.Seen it proven.Good old spec
27-04-2013, 08:34 PM
#74
Joe at gsmotosport has been doing old school T4 etc for years with no lag and awesome performance and if you are not happy he will not charge you - he genuinely offers a no happy no pay policy.
He sticks to what worked back in the day and delivered. I'm not saying there is progress but why keep spending thousands on pointless whims and upgrades when they are not needed except to line the pockets of tuners.
Just think back to the touring car domination of the RS500's. T4 aint shit, its old. Its all about preference and budget - I prefer simple and proven - not a latest fad.
Just my opinion and experience with a tuner that is into his engines and not just profit - he gets off on boasting about the happy or no payment - he is awesome!
He sticks to what worked back in the day and delivered. I'm not saying there is progress but why keep spending thousands on pointless whims and upgrades when they are not needed except to line the pockets of tuners.
Just think back to the touring car domination of the RS500's. T4 aint shit, its old. Its all about preference and budget - I prefer simple and proven - not a latest fad.
Just my opinion and experience with a tuner that is into his engines and not just profit - he gets off on boasting about the happy or no payment - he is awesome!
27-04-2013, 08:46 PM
#76
cossie fan (unluckerly)
Joe at gsmotosport has been doing old school T4 etc for years with no lag and awesome performance and if you are not happy he will not charge you - he genuinely offers a no happy no pay policy.
He sticks to what worked back in the day and delivered. I'm not saying there is progress but why keep spending thousands on pointless whims and upgrades when they are not needed except to line the pockets of tuners.
Just think back to the touring car domination of the RS500's. T4 aint shit, its old. Its all about preference and budget - I prefer simple and proven - not a latest fad.
Just my opinion and experience with a tuner that is into his engines and not just profit - he gets off on boasting about the happy or no payment - he is awesome!
He sticks to what worked back in the day and delivered. I'm not saying there is progress but why keep spending thousands on pointless whims and upgrades when they are not needed except to line the pockets of tuners.
Just think back to the touring car domination of the RS500's. T4 aint shit, its old. Its all about preference and budget - I prefer simple and proven - not a latest fad.
Just my opinion and experience with a tuner that is into his engines and not just profit - he gets off on boasting about the happy or no payment - he is awesome!
Last edited by ajamesc; 27-04-2013 at 08:47 PM.
27-04-2013, 08:56 PM
#77
you pay your tuner for the latest fad, fashion, trend etc and spend a fortune ha ha.
I can pay mine on proven technology and save £SSSS
BTW, dont chase HP - Joe uses tourqe and his big spec is actually not even 500hp but has a not happy no pay as he knows there are so many 500hp cossies out there that do nothing lol.
You keep believing the guru and he will be fine with your bank balance
27-04-2013, 09:00 PM
#78
cossie fan (unluckerly)
lol, 500bhp is 500bhp yeah?
you pay your tuner for the latest fad, fashion, trend etc and spend a fortune ha ha.
I can pay mine on proven technology and save £SSSS
BTW, dont chase HP - Joe uses tourqe and his big spec is actually not even 500hp but has a not happy no pay as he knows there are so many 500hp cossies out there that do nothing lol.
You keep believing the guru and he will be fine with your bank balance
you pay your tuner for the latest fad, fashion, trend etc and spend a fortune ha ha.
I can pay mine on proven technology and save £SSSS
BTW, dont chase HP - Joe uses tourqe and his big spec is actually not even 500hp but has a not happy no pay as he knows there are so many 500hp cossies out there that do nothing lol.
You keep believing the guru and he will be fine with your bank balance
With a modem turbo set up its all about how low in the rpm range it makes full boost and its power also how much torque it makes because a 500bhp car that makes it boost and power high up the rev range and has no torque will be shit lol
27-04-2013, 09:09 PM
#79
Now I know two of my mates at least 12 years ago had 8 greens and T4s.One on a 2wd and one one a 4wd.The 2wd had traction control fitted and anti lag.It was a big deal back then and they were and one is still a pretty quick car
Newer injectors and newer turbos are always going to make things better but why side track from a WELL PROVEN SPEC if thats what you want ?.
Newer injectors and newer turbos are always going to make things better but why side track from a WELL PROVEN SPEC if thats what you want ?.
Last edited by Rax; 27-04-2013 at 09:12 PM.
27-04-2013, 09:14 PM
#80
no it's not that's wear your wrong and that's the difference lol!
With a modem turbo set up its all about how low in the rpm range it makes full boost and its power also how much torque it makes because a 500bhp car that makes it boost and power high up the rev range and has no torque will be shit lol
With a modem turbo set up its all about how low in the rpm range it makes full boost and its power also how much torque it makes because a 500bhp car that makes it boost and power high up the rev range and has no torque will be shit lol
He also knows about rpm and boost lol - its all sorted or your money back and I would estimate for 1/3 of the price of 'other' tuners.
This guy built the works Audis in the group B era - he knows nothing lol