well dude, id debate all day long with some one who knew what they were talking about, but your just a nob jockey without a clue, and clearly got no mates to go and chat to tonight. And before you say anything, ive just got in from work and unsurprised to come on p.f and find comments from yet another prick

 

Banned! He'll be back soon. Idiot!

 

Change the record, little'un.

 

this is on a bit of private road im allowed to use, unfortunatly its not long enough for a top speed run. ill try and get on my local airfield for that(my clocks read 160 the last time i maxed it there)
really slow isnt it

 

it too late to be reading the hole thread but here is my 2p's worth. a friend of mine has a civic type r N/A with 280hp at the wheels. it's fucking mental and the drive/ handling is so precise it nearly tempted me to the dark side.

 

It changed my view of jap cars, I used to be a ford man.
I've owned god knows how many escorts and fiestas,a focus,I've had a few rs turbos, I had a fiesta st, and a 320bhp saph cossie
And this is by far the best built,most reliable,best handling, most useable car I've owned

I understand that vtech engines aren't for everyone. But to say they are crap is completely wrong

 

dont know if its been posted but they all love chip on ere

http://www.civiclife.net/board/topic...-it-backfired/

 

Only cause they dont know me properly yet

 

 

I genuinely LOL'd at:




Cheers,
Grant

 

Honda technology is awsome.
Back in 1988 when ford could only manage 132 bhp from a 1.6 with a turbo Honda gave 162 from a 1.6 with no turbo.
Not even Ferrari could offer 100bhp per litre at that time na

 

nevrmind that, they've got ASIMO. cool as fuck.

 

Which car/engine was that??


Cheers,
Grant

 

Crx vti b16a1

 

In 1988, it 'only' had 150bhp.

They revised the engine in 91 to take it to 162. Although that figure was easily achievable on the crx by removing the cat and replacing the exhaust

 

That engine (B16A1) only came with 150bhp as standard in the Civic/CRX VTi mate, but your point is still valid, no turbo and still a higher output than Ford managed with F/I.


Cheers,
Grant

 

They love chip!

 

And then a few years later, in 1997 The Ek9 civic was 185bhp from a 1.6

Thats 115bhp per litre!

Thats properly epic for nearly 15 years ago, in fact thats still pretty epic today!

 

you make it sound like we all don't...

 

and whats even more epic is they managed that and made it mega reliable

 

Best regards from Ek9.org

http://www.ek9.org/forum/general-cha...overrated.html

 

I think the
"These "Fix Or Repair Daily" guys aint got a clue." comment is unjust, if he read, he may realize most of us are championing the vtec system, hell, i owned an mb6 as a daily runner

 

As I've discovered it doesn't matter what forum your on
They are filled with keyboard warriors who think they know it all but know nothing.

 

I even got quoted on that forum.

Agree that saying we have no clue is a bit silly, given a lot of us stuck up for it! Don't lump us all in with mongs like the OP, hell, I was even looking at CTR's, but have decided I want a bit of RWD action.

 

I got quoted but not in the right context

Im all for vtec lol

 

GHIA kicked in yo

first vtec i went in was a VTI 1.6 ek9 and i was impressed by it - i had an RS Turbo in those days

Then when the CTR after the ek9 came out that was a different kettle of fish i loved it - the noise gets me all wibbly: awesome!

Id still have a Ford RS though but thats just my opinion

 

I'll start off with saying that I do own an Integra DC2 so I am probably slightly biased!

As alot of people have been saying on this thread the VTEC engine is a very good NA engine. My car is 210 BHP with 144 lbf-ft of torque and weighs 1080 KG 0-60 is around 6 seconds so you can't really say it's slow. To me its not all about the speed/power of a car the overall package counts as well. I have recently replaced every single suspension bush on my car along with the droplinks, ball joints and track rod ends. The handling is now exceptional. I have also updated the brakes so it stops as well. I am still running OEM springs and dampers.

Although alot of cars are faster than me in a straight line I make up for it in the corners. An Evo 2 came flying up behind up behind me a few weeks back and was sat on my rear bumper until we went round a couple of corners. He then over took me on a straight and pulled away a good 100 yards. Again we came to the twisties and then I was sat on his rear bumper. He actually pulled over after that.

The car goes very well on track as well I think a few people were a bit pissed off on my last outing at Castle Combe! They don't like a Japanese NA 1.8 tin box sitting on the ass of their much higher powered car

I actually used to own an Evo 3 a few years ago. It was 382 BHP and was a hell of alot faster than my DC2 but the DC2 is so much more fun to drive even though it is considerably slower.

 

vtecs are crap unless its turboed. . integras are nice cars no doubt .. handle good to but they just need a turbo running decent boost to unleash some proper power

 

Too many are wrong wheel drive sadly, great NA engines but I just love turbos!

 

The owner of the local garage near me told me one night in the pub that Hondas are the best cars out there! Brians 62 and been a machanic all his life with a very reputable garage BUT... He also hates hondas due to he can't make any money on them because they never need anything doing apart from the norm (brakes-bushes etc)

I've been in a few type r,s and I loved them! I like high revving engines they sound immense! Bike in four wheels who wouldn't want that????

 

LOL! Vtecs are good, but I hate the way people do all of that "vtec kicked in Yo" shit! Sad fuckers!!

 

have always hated vtecs.. they rev high and sound like a cat screaming .. screaming for nothing because theres no power there.. when the vtec comes in all of the car owners are already at home by then so no races

 

They're hardly crap. How many VTEC cars have you actually driven or been a passenger in at least?
What's with the hate?! Pretty pathetic really. I personally wouldn't buy a Ford but I still appreciate a nice/fast Ford and would never say that I "hate" them. Yes they do scream but thats how they make their power. Do you actually have an understanding of how the VTEC system works or are you just being an ignorant idiot?
Actually that statement pretty much proves you are an idiot.

Hondas are very well engineered. I think its got alot to do with the Japanese work ethos. I work with a guy who worked in Japan for a few years and he said the biggest insult you can pay to a Japanese person is to call them lazy. The only thing that lets them down is their interiors. They can feel a bit cheap and can have a likeness to lego brick plastic
I must admit that really pisses me off! Its kind of turned into a joke now and I just laugh at all the chavvy idiots who think VTEC is equivalant to a turbo. This made me chuckle:

 

Don't you know it just kicked in YO

 

 

jakey crx i have seen a vtec perform infact i have seen ALOT of civics with integra engines in them and integras runni.ng cams etc. . none of them have ever even kept up with me infact alot of cars aint but with the vtecs i dont understand what the hype is all about.. theres lads a few streets away from me who own like 6 civics between them and ALL of them at some point have got showed up by me. i have sat in a civic k20 and tbh it didnt do anything for me. i like the way an integra handles but i dont like the way the power comes in on them either. . it just isnt aggresive if you know what i mean..compared to a mad turbo car running decent BOOST .1 of the lads turboed his and it kept blowing up ..the other decided to fit the type r engine in . the only thing they are good at is getting off the line and thats because they dont have enough power to spin the wheels hence putting down good times . . they are loud loud and loud i do appreciate nice cars but this vtec thing is down to the chavs spoiling it thinking its the fastest thing in the world lol .. always hear them saying the vtec didnt kick in properly and making excuses when racing eachother or i see them arguing why they lost a race .. fucksakes why cant people just man up . if i had a race and lost then fiar play to the guy after all its a bit of fun...

 

I'm not saying they're the fastest thing in the world. Obviously a decent boosted motor will piss over any NA VTEC engined car but that still doesn't take away from the fact that they are an extremely good piece of engineering so like I said you can't really call them crap.

One of the main reasons I got my DC2 is that I have a 35 mile daily commute to work and I can get low 30's on the MPG when I drive sensibly. I like having a car like the DC2 as my daily rather than having a beast and also a shitbox for commuting. The DC2 has reliablity, performance, style and acceptable running and mpg costs. Not many cars that can pull all those points off.

The NA Fords are pretty poor to be honest (Focus ST170, Fiesta ST). A guy who lives round the corner from me tried racing me off the lights in his ST170 and I left him for dead. Funnily enough he hasn't tried to race me since

I'm sorry but the "putting down good times because they don't have enough power to spin the wheels" thing is complete and utter bullshit. Even in a big power car if you actually have a bit of driving skill you can still get a good launch. If you bury the throttle straight away on anything with a bit of power then its going to spin the wheels. (Even a VTEC car believe it or not)

The fact that the boosted VTEC engine kept blowing up would have something to do with the way it was built. Its like anything, if its not built properly then it won't last will it (This is why I would never ever buy a French car but we won't open that can of worms)

Have you seen how much power the Yanks have been getting lately boosting stock S2000's?

We should meet up on track at some point and have a proper comparison. You'd probably beat me as I'm guessing your running big power but I think you'd be suprised at how well a properly set up DC2 goes round the track. Anyone can drive a fast car, not everyone can drive a car fast.

 

i still cant believe that people are comparing an n/a engine to a forced induction one.

ill admit im not into the jap scene at all but i do appreciate some of the cars and the tech they have, especially the vtec engine which is prob the best 2.0 n/a engine iv experienced.

 

EFA

 

Wow, contradict yourself much?