Zetec turbo on the cheap.
17-07-2011 | 10:13 PM
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17-07-2011 | 10:33 PM
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Another good thread going to shit with mo and his usual bollocks.
I'm interested in genuine answers about things like how much boost could be run on the standard management, would swapping for larger injectors help, would it be possible to run a 5th injector on a boost sensitive switch?
I understand the mechanicals behind it all, I'm able to do it but I'm a total novice when it comes to the electrics and fueling to go with forced induction.
Gavin.
I'm interested in genuine answers about things like how much boost could be run on the standard management, would swapping for larger injectors help, would it be possible to run a 5th injector on a boost sensitive switch?
I understand the mechanicals behind it all, I'm able to do it but I'm a total novice when it comes to the electrics and fueling to go with forced induction.
Gavin.
17-07-2011 | 10:36 PM
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17-07-2011 | 10:37 PM
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Another good thread going to shit with mo and his usual bollocks.
I'm interested in genuine answers about things like how much boost could be run on the standard management, would swapping for larger injectors help, would it be possible to run a 5th injector on a boost sensitive switch?
I understand the mechanicals behind it all, I'm able to do it but I'm a total novice when it comes to the electrics and fueling to go with forced induction.
Gavin.
I'm interested in genuine answers about things like how much boost could be run on the standard management, would swapping for larger injectors help, would it be possible to run a 5th injector on a boost sensitive switch?
I understand the mechanicals behind it all, I'm able to do it but I'm a total novice when it comes to the electrics and fueling to go with forced induction.
Gavin.
17-07-2011 | 10:39 PM
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standard management will be useless really and switcheable fifth injector would also be crap really too.
defo ofab minimum IMO.
decomp plate should be fine for around a BAR of boost.
i wouldn't advise skimmed pistons, not much of a crown on a standard 2.0 piston, certainly not on a blacktop engine anyways.
definitely needs rover turbo injectors minimum to get fuel from rail into cylinders.
defo ofab minimum IMO.
decomp plate should be fine for around a BAR of boost.
i wouldn't advise skimmed pistons, not much of a crown on a standard 2.0 piston, certainly not on a blacktop engine anyways.
definitely needs rover turbo injectors minimum to get fuel from rail into cylinders.
17-07-2011 | 11:36 PM
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zetecs have free spinning cam pullies ie no woodruf keys so when timing the engines up if the belt length differs (throught a decomp plate or having the head skimmed ect ect) this will not affect the timing
18-07-2011 | 03:16 AM
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ive heard of 250hp run through standard zetec bottom ends with de-comp plates
suppose its on how the engine's built, you could use forged parts and the engine could let go,
but as the saying goes, do it once do it rite
suppose its on how the engine's built, you could use forged parts and the engine could let go,
but as the saying goes, do it once do it rite
18-07-2011 | 11:38 AM
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mate the car has skimmed pistons and what looks like a plate in it. but im sure it has a focus rs headgasket.. im no engine builder dude the engine is not a forged block i aint no liar yes its sad that it aint forged and that i should have forged it.. but this is how i got it and its been reliable enough for me and hasnt EVER given me a problem engine wise.i drive it like its stolen all the time and its been perfect. people i know have copied exacty my set up and its proved to be good and they do trackdays etc.. 4 years now and never a problem. . people are scared for nothing i seen em at 360bhp and surviving mines makes 298bhp at the wheels at 16psi on my T4 TURBO and runs like this perfect. when i put the foot down all HELL BREAKS LOOSE! the thing is a weapon.
at the end of the day i see people spending thousands and thousands on a zetec turbo engine but it ends up being slow because they dont spend the money where they need to they sepdn money on the engine but then it still fucks up. i spent the cash on the managament,injectors,head gasket,breather,pipes,t4 turbo,gearbox mapping etc thats what makes the car quicker the way its set up and specced its up to the owner how far to push it .... i didnt spend stupid amount of cash on the engine just incase something went wrong and it blew up! atlease if my engine did blow up the money i spent on parts will still be ok and be good for the engine i get built next
at the end of the day i see people spending thousands and thousands on a zetec turbo engine but it ends up being slow because they dont spend the money where they need to they sepdn money on the engine but then it still fucks up. i spent the cash on the managament,injectors,head gasket,breather,pipes,t4 turbo,gearbox mapping etc thats what makes the car quicker the way its set up and specced its up to the owner how far to push it .... i didnt spend stupid amount of cash on the engine just incase something went wrong and it blew up! atlease if my engine did blow up the money i spent on parts will still be ok and be good for the engine i get built next
Totally relaible and no issues....yet when asked to prove your times, you claimed to have tons of issues and couldnt run the car for fear of breaking it.
Apart from talk yet more total shite about your car, you have added nothing to this potentially good thread...other than drag it down with bollocks.
Drainer!
Back on topic- I'm a massive fan of using stock engines or pikey conversions. ZT could be done real cheap IMO and could last.....case in point would be my supercharged Zetec, takes all the shit in the world and only run ARP rod bolts. Whammy!
18-07-2011 | 12:03 PM
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strong engines are the zetecs, blacktops have better flowing heads and silvertops have better main caps as standard.
blacktops have a better rod ratio, silvertops have a better cam belt tensioner setup.
swings and slides fella.
blacktops have a better rod ratio, silvertops have a better cam belt tensioner setup.
swings and slides fella.
18-07-2011 | 12:14 PM
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Im just shiting it as i have spent a lot of money on my S2 build
And the one thing i could not aford to do was upgrade the piston's and rod's But i have spent alot on other bit's like 2x multi layerd head gaskets decomp plate OMEX 600 ecu arp con rod bolt's custom inlet manifold zetec turbo exhaust manifold focus rs fuel rail and injectors pro ally front mount intercooler pace ally rad cosworth turbo upgraded clutch i just need a better fuel pump.. I wish i could get better piston's and rod's And a MTX gear boxbut im getting a bit skint
18-07-2011 | 12:26 PM
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I've built my share of pikey zt turbos they can be done very cheap you just have to no what to use
Silver top zetec Ł100
vauxhall c20xe pistons of eBay around Ł30!!!
Piper uprated valve springs Ł120
block boring Ł20 per bore
focus head gasket and bolts Ł50
t3 turbo Ł150
2wd cosworth cooler Ł20
ofab managment Ł150
ect ect
it can be done and will be very fast if setup correct I ran a 12.6 1/4 mile with a very similar spec to this !!
Silver top zetec Ł100
vauxhall c20xe pistons of eBay around Ł30!!!
Piper uprated valve springs Ł120
block boring Ł20 per bore
focus head gasket and bolts Ł50
t3 turbo Ł150
2wd cosworth cooler Ł20
ofab managment Ł150
ect ect
it can be done and will be very fast if setup correct I ran a 12.6 1/4 mile with a very similar spec to this !!
18-07-2011 | 12:35 PM
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Im just shiting it as i have spent a lot of money on my S2 build And the one thing i could not aford to do was upgrade the piston's and rod's But i have spent alot on other bit's like 2x multi layerd head gaskets decomp plate OMEX 600 ecu arp con rod bolt's custom inlet manifold zetec turbo exhaust manifold focus rs fuel rail and injectors pro ally front mount intercooler pace ally rad cosworth turbo upgraded clutch i just need a better fuel pump.. I wish i could get better piston's and rod's And a MTX gear boxbut im getting a bit skint
Im just shiting it as i have spent a lot of money on my S2 build
And the one thing i could not aford to do was upgrade the piston's and rod's But i have spent alot on other bit's like 2x multi layerd head gaskets decomp plate OMEX 600 ecu arp con rod bolt's custom inlet manifold zetec turbo exhaust manifold focus rs fuel rail and injectors pro ally front mount intercooler pace ally rad cosworth turbo upgraded clutch i just need a better fuel pump.. I wish i could get better piston's and rod's And a MTX gear boxbut im getting a bit skintDoes look a bit like youve sent the wedge in the wrong area's mate
No need for a fancy inlet unless your wanting over 300+ and Omex isnt cheap. You could have used OFAB and a HO inlet and forged the bottom end and done all the fancy bolt ons at a later date when funds aloud
18-07-2011 | 12:44 PM
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Does look a bit like youve sent the wedge in the wrong area's mate
No need for a fancy inlet unless your wanting over 300+ and Omex isnt cheap. You could have used OFAB and a HO inlet and forged the bottom end and done all the fancy bolt ons at a later date when funds aloud
No need for a fancy inlet unless your wanting over 300+ and Omex isnt cheap. You could have used OFAB and a HO inlet and forged the bottom end and done all the fancy bolt ons at a later date when funds aloud
I have spent bloody load's on mine and if i knew what i do now i would have done it differant
18-07-2011 | 12:52 PM
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I wouldn't worry too much mate. You could always build a spare engine up as funds allow and just take it easy with the boost in the mean time or flog the expensive stuff off.
18-07-2011 | 12:58 PM
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I will only be runnig 1bar of boost and i wont be driving it like i stole it either and then i will save up for a better spec engine and gear box as that will be the only thing's left as i have changed every thing else on the car i.e brakes bush's suspension
18-07-2011 | 03:22 PM
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a true 300bhp would kill a bc/ib5 gearbox
18-07-2011 | 03:27 PM
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I've built my share of pikey zt turbos they can be done very cheap you just have to no what to use
Silver top zetec Ł100
vauxhall c20xe pistons of eBay around Ł30!!!
Piper uprated valve springs Ł120
block boring Ł20 per bore
focus head gasket and bolts Ł50
t3 turbo Ł150
2wd cosworth cooler Ł20
ofab managment Ł150
ect ect
it can be done and will be very fast if setup correct I ran a 12.6 1/4 mile with a very similar spec to this !!
Silver top zetec Ł100
vauxhall c20xe pistons of eBay around Ł30!!!
Piper uprated valve springs Ł120
block boring Ł20 per bore
focus head gasket and bolts Ł50
t3 turbo Ł150
2wd cosworth cooler Ł20
ofab managment Ł150
ect ect
it can be done and will be very fast if setup correct I ran a 12.6 1/4 mile with a very similar spec to this !!
The main thing I was worrying about was the pistons melting in a short space of time, what do the vauxhal pistons need doing to them to fit?
18-07-2011 | 06:00 PM
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Pikey route isnt cheap, its just cheaper and with added limitations
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18-07-2011 | 08:56 PM
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you must be dumb take your head out of your arse mate its how you drive it, how you abuse it,, my car HAS killed bc gearboxes and hasnt killed my ib5 box yet however its going to let go soon im just expecting it. bear in mind the car gets driven like its stolen. im easy on launches though like off the lights etc i just dont like it
18-07-2011 | 08:59 PM
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i ran 15psi boost on my old set up which was on a t3 turbo smaller injectors and about 250bhp [ approx] and the car was fine for years and years and the previous owners gave it death for a few years aswell was PERFECT only leaked oil a bit but i had that sorted and upped the power ..your worrying for fuck all dude
18-07-2011 | 09:00 PM
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you must be dumb take your head out of your arse mate its how you drive it, how you abuse it,, my car HAS killed bc gearboxes and hasnt killed my ib5 box yet however its going to let go soon im just expecting it. bear in mind the car gets driven like its stolen. im easy on launches though like off the lights etc i just dont like it
yes mo it's how you drive it
, in your words "bear in mind the car gets driven like its stolen" so with a true 300bhp that gearbox would be f**ked
also what happened to the quaife gears
did you lose them
18-07-2011 | 09:05 PM
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Totally relaible and no issues....yet when asked to prove your times, you claimed to have tons of issues and couldnt run the car for fear of breaking it.
Apart from talk yet more total shite about your car, you have added nothing to this potentially good thread...other than drag it down with bollocks.
Drainer!
Back on topic- I'm a massive fan of using stock engines or pikey conversions. ZT could be done real cheap IMO and could last.....case in point would be my supercharged Zetec, takes all the shit in the world and only run ARP rod bolts. Whammy!
Apart from talk yet more total shite about your car, you have added nothing to this potentially good thread...other than drag it down with bollocks.
Drainer!
Back on topic- I'm a massive fan of using stock engines or pikey conversions. ZT could be done real cheap IMO and could last.....case in point would be my supercharged Zetec, takes all the shit in the world and only run ARP rod bolts. Whammy!
. my car cost less than than most and makes more power so i dont see a problem apart from your hating 
. your head must be stuck so far up your bum cheeks you cant see anything else in life
18-07-2011 | 09:08 PM
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18-07-2011 | 09:11 PM
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i aint going to tell you every last detail of my gearbox i was asked what box not every detail and whats in it! yes a ib5 box wont last long but its lasted so far being a good gearbox witht the right gears and diff so no i aint going to spend thousands on a gearbox just yet untill this pops! replace something when it breaks dude. you need to replace that thick brain with a german shepheards brain ther quite clever dogs
18-07-2011 | 09:18 PM
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Mo why do you continue to wank yourself stupid over your 20 year old ford when you have a evo?
Or was that just bullshit the same as your etch a sketch 328bhp?
It seems that nobody really doubts that your budget zetec turbo isn't good or reliable but it's your wild claims of xxxbhp and supercar slaying performance that makes you look like a real cunt!
Man up, get it rr'd, prove it's around 260-270bhp and people will be a lot easier on you!
Rant over.
Gavin.
Or was that just bullshit the same as your etch a sketch 328bhp?
It seems that nobody really doubts that your budget zetec turbo isn't good or reliable but it's your wild claims of xxxbhp and supercar slaying performance that makes you look like a real cunt!
Man up, get it rr'd, prove it's around 260-270bhp and people will be a lot easier on you!
Rant over.
Gavin.
18-07-2011 | 09:18 PM
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18-07-2011 | 09:22 PM
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Mo why do you continue to wank yourself stupid over your 20 year old ford when you have a evo?
Or was that just bullshit the same as your etch a sketch 328bhp?
It seems that nobody really doubts that your budget zetec turbo isn't good or reliable but it's your wild claims of xxxbhp and supercar slaying performance that makes you look like a real cunt!
Man up, get it rr'd, prove it's around 260-270bhp and people will be a lot easier on you!
Rant over.
Gavin.
Or was that just bullshit the same as your etch a sketch 328bhp?
It seems that nobody really doubts that your budget zetec turbo isn't good or reliable but it's your wild claims of xxxbhp and supercar slaying performance that makes you look like a real cunt!
Man up, get it rr'd, prove it's around 260-270bhp and people will be a lot easier on you!
Rant over.
Gavin.
18-07-2011 | 09:32 PM
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I've looked through my back issues of performance ford where they built a zetec turbo (2.0 blacktop) engine for a ka. The spec the had was wossner pistons, arp head stud and nut kit (optional), arp conrod bolts (essential), a +0.5mm overbore, new standard head gasket, arp venier bolts (optional), piper valve springs (essential) a mk1 focus rs turbo and inlet. It ran on gotech managment. Hope this is useful to you in some way, the issues were June 2007 onwards (6 issues) if you want to try getting hold of them.
18-07-2011 | 09:47 PM
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I'm about 80% into a Zetec Turbo build for my Escort. It's the little things you don't think about that add expense to it.
I got a Blacktop engine out of an automatic so I know it's not been thrashed
Already had the EFi Turbo stuff on my car but have bought adaptor plates,decomp plate, gaskets, pipes and hosework, OFAB ECU and 1.8 Zetec sump etc etc etc
Done it for less than a grand once it's fitted next week so I'll be chuffed at that price.
I got a Blacktop engine out of an automatic so I know it's not been thrashed
Already had the EFi Turbo stuff on my car but have bought adaptor plates,decomp plate, gaskets, pipes and hosework, OFAB ECU and 1.8 Zetec sump etc etc etc
Done it for less than a grand once it's fitted next week so I'll be chuffed at that price.