52 grand yb lol
26-11-2010, 04:53 PM
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That's because mine has no limiting factors. As soon as you cap an engine, the parts required to make the same power are no longer the same. There is no point me comparing my engine to the JG one on ebay, as it is a completely different kettle of tuna. I am not running a restrictor, so can achieve the power with relative ease. I am not running race fuel, so my compression is relatively low.
However, with a few simple spec changes, I know my engine could be made competitive. However, I am unsure of the reasoning behind the dry sump set-up, as (NMS) Karl did a very detailed reasoning as to why you don't need this on a YB and it seems to add a considerable cost for very little potential gain, with plenty of potential catastrophic reliability issues (especially given the surface these cars race on)?
Anyway, a good bit of Friday fun
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However, with a few simple spec changes, I know my engine could be made competitive. However, I am unsure of the reasoning behind the dry sump set-up, as (NMS) Karl did a very detailed reasoning as to why you don't need this on a YB and it seems to add a considerable cost for very little potential gain, with plenty of potential catastrophic reliability issues (especially given the surface these cars race on)?
Anyway, a good bit of Friday fun
.The dry sump JG sells is not a normal kit it repalces all the main caps to tie the bottom end together to stop the caps floating at high power and revs.
Mark
26-11-2010, 06:21 PM
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. How come you haven't considered this for Rod's engine with the amount of power and torque this runs?Or is it that you have an easier way to do this without going dry sump?
26-11-2010, 06:26 PM
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Mmmmm, seems a bit extreme for a restricted engine, especially with the risk of the belt jumping off and losing the entire engine . How come you haven't considered this for Rod's engine with the amount of power and torque this runs?
Or is it that you have an easier way to do this without going dry sump?
. How come you haven't considered this for Rod's engine with the amount of power and torque this runs?Or is it that you have an easier way to do this without going dry sump?
I looked at it for another engine I am doing but discounted it on cost as being a road engine we wont be seeing the same amount of abuse that makes it worthwhile to fit one.
Mark
26-11-2010, 06:42 PM
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OMG,this thread has moved on!!!cant believe some people actually think jg pays that much money for the parts used on this??
I can get an arrows crank made to any spec for £1700
I can get arrows rods to any spec for £900
I can get the complete girdle kit with pump for £4k and thats with julian earning from me still + block machining with gosney engineering for £400 to line bore the mains
I cant say what the turbo costs but il gaurantee it wont cost jg £6k!!!
As for the head,jg does all the machining himself i believe so thats labour time..
I bought a brand new head casting from cosworth a few years back and had new seats nimonic over sized valves,shcmit springs,solid lifters,big ports etc by niel roper and my whole head with cams cost me just over £4k all in and is good for whatever power you want!!!
I can have any engine loom made in military spec for £700..
The engine in question certainly is top notch but still no where near £53k worth as i still believe this would cost jg around £30-£35k max to build ...
Theres no doubting jgs ability to build an engine but then so can many other engine builders and for far less and if you dont think he is expensive then give a good reason why a grp a clubmans spec engine is 18k+ the vat????
The same engine that i know for a fact can be built for around £5k and still earn money..
Everyone can have thier opinion on the matter and of course can pay whatever they fancy but even if i was rich i wouldnt pay that for any yb engine as i know for a fact its well overpriced!!!!
cheers danny
I can get an arrows crank made to any spec for £1700
I can get arrows rods to any spec for £900
I can get the complete girdle kit with pump for £4k and thats with julian earning from me still + block machining with gosney engineering for £400 to line bore the mains
I cant say what the turbo costs but il gaurantee it wont cost jg £6k!!!
As for the head,jg does all the machining himself i believe so thats labour time..
I bought a brand new head casting from cosworth a few years back and had new seats nimonic over sized valves,shcmit springs,solid lifters,big ports etc by niel roper and my whole head with cams cost me just over £4k all in and is good for whatever power you want!!!
I can have any engine loom made in military spec for £700..
The engine in question certainly is top notch but still no where near £53k worth as i still believe this would cost jg around £30-£35k max to build ...
Theres no doubting jgs ability to build an engine but then so can many other engine builders and for far less and if you dont think he is expensive then give a good reason why a grp a clubmans spec engine is 18k+ the vat????
The same engine that i know for a fact can be built for around £5k and still earn money..
Everyone can have thier opinion on the matter and of course can pay whatever they fancy but even if i was rich i wouldnt pay that for any yb engine as i know for a fact its well overpriced!!!!
cheers danny
26-11-2010, 06:44 PM
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26-11-2010, 06:58 PM
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I think we ALL know that £53k is WELL overpriced! Some people are just being utterly pedantic and argumentative, no cunts named!
I'm not fucking stupid by any stretch of the imagination when it comes to prices / research (It's my job you cunts before you start!
) as knobby as I can be on here...
If he gets £53k then fair play. My estimate for this engine is about 35 big ones. Give or take a couple of grand. (probably long rather than short!)
I'm not fucking stupid by any stretch of the imagination when it comes to prices / research (It's my job you cunts before you start!
) as knobby as I can be on here... If he gets £53k then fair play. My estimate for this engine is about 35 big ones. Give or take a couple of grand. (probably long rather than short!)
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26-11-2010, 06:59 PM
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The sump was £3950 pump £1713.72 plus vat based on a price on the 4th of this year, This is without the machining and brackets which add another £1k and thats without the connectors/pipes/tank.
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26-11-2010, 07:02 PM
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danny no one is doubting what it costs julian to build it. but in retail costs and what he has to sell it for to cover everything and make money its obviously 50k as thats what its advertised at.
are you going to say you can build an engine to this spec and to do the job this one does and make moneyfor 30k?? not having a dig ..serious question mate
are you going to say you can build an engine to this spec and to do the job this one does and make moneyfor 30k?? not having a dig ..serious question mate
26-11-2010, 07:03 PM
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The reason he designed it was for 1000 hp capabilities and of course trying to keep a 3 bar of boost rx engine together!!!lol
Imo rods engine would benefit from this if he was going to do countless runs but believe he wont and once de tuned wont need it any way...
After 600lb ft jg says the crank is trying to escape the block from the left rear main cap but with a counter balanced crank this will be a reduced worry hence why im going with a new billet crank...
As for the machining costs,gossney engineering have quoted around £400 to line bore the mains etc..
cheers danny
26-11-2010, 07:04 PM
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Maybe Danny is just thinking about the basic girdle structure and forgetting the rest of maybe he gets massive discount with JG if he can do the whole lot all in including all the pipework and tanks etc for the 4k he mentions.
26-11-2010, 07:10 PM
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danny no one is doubting what it costs julian to build it. but in retail costs and what he has to sell it for to cover everything and make money its obviously 50k as thats what its advertised at.
are you going to say you can build an engine to this spec and to do the job this one does and make moneyfor 30k?? not having a dig ..serious question mate
are you going to say you can build an engine to this spec and to do the job this one does and make moneyfor 30k?? not having a dig ..serious question mate
As said by some one else the egts and cr is the hardest thing to get right and of course the turbo needs to do things that none of us experience as to do 3 bar boost continously with a restrictor and als must mean stupid egts and tbh i wouldnt know what to do to keep all that under control and still keep working..
The engine in question doesnt have all the tanks and fittings for the sump kit so not in my price list and when i priced it i dont need all those things as i have them also i can get sump and pump for £4k as iv asked!!
cheers danny
26-11-2010, 07:12 PM
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26-11-2010, 07:19 PM
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26-11-2010, 07:21 PM
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26-11-2010, 07:28 PM
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Thats because he is the only man you can buy it from and you dont do regular business with him where as a very good friend of mine does!!
Its not an argument about what some thing retails at or what some one can get it for its an argument about what an engine is worth based on what its cost someone to build..
If you buy a rolex of the high street its x amount of £££s if you go to harrods and buy the same rolex its dearer!!!!its no fucking different though!!
Julian designed these girdles for himself for the pleasure of keeping big hp in one piece now if you want to do the same thing hes going to charge full stop!!!lmao.
cheers danny
Its not an argument about what some thing retails at or what some one can get it for its an argument about what an engine is worth based on what its cost someone to build..
If you buy a rolex of the high street its x amount of £££s if you go to harrods and buy the same rolex its dearer!!!!its no fucking different though!!
Julian designed these girdles for himself for the pleasure of keeping big hp in one piece now if you want to do the same thing hes going to charge full stop!!!lmao.
cheers danny
26-11-2010, 07:36 PM
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My engine from jg is circa £45k!!!i did it for £22k..
If you called me and said how much for an engine the same as yours id say £25k all in
If any one doubts my engine thats fine but its been in my car since feb 2007 and came out in jan 2010 as i was worried what wear there would be..
The nikel coated rings were still a gold colour with no wear marks and the bigs and mains were bronzed on the rear main and no 4 big on the left hand side..
I got niel roper to go through the head for me and spent £400 on odds and ends to make it better than the first time he had done it..
Thats all my engine has needed in nearly four years ..
cheers danny
If you called me and said how much for an engine the same as yours id say £25k all in
If any one doubts my engine thats fine but its been in my car since feb 2007 and came out in jan 2010 as i was worried what wear there would be..
The nikel coated rings were still a gold colour with no wear marks and the bigs and mains were bronzed on the rear main and no 4 big on the left hand side..
I got niel roper to go through the head for me and spent £400 on odds and ends to make it better than the first time he had done it..
Thats all my engine has needed in nearly four years ..
cheers danny
26-11-2010, 07:39 PM
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26-11-2010, 07:49 PM
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I am unsure of the reasoning behind the dry sump set-up, as (NMS) Karl did a very detailed reasoning as to why you don't need this on a YB and it seems to add a considerable cost for very little potential gain, with plenty of potential catastrophic reliability issues (especially given the surface these cars race on)?
Link to this please?
26-11-2010, 08:01 PM
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. And as you seem to still think I am an engine builder - I could build an engine like this that would make twice the power (with a 34mm restrictor) and cost £7.50 
Would you also like to buy this MT75 gearbox I have for sale - its £15k. Don't worrry, it could be built up for under £5k, but is a special R&B one, which has been blessed by the pope and I sware JG looked at it once
.Anyway, all good publicity for JG - I bet the amount of people that have viewed his ebay post has quadrupled
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My engine from jg is circa £45k!!!i did it for £22k..
If you called me and said how much for an engine the same as yours id say £25k all in
If any one doubts my engine thats fine but its been in my car since feb 2007 and came out in jan 2010 as i was worried what wear there would be..
The nikel coated rings were still a gold colour with no wear marks and the bigs and mains were bronzed on the rear main and no 4 big on the left hand side..
I got niel roper to go through the head for me and spent £400 on odds and ends to make it better than the first time he had done it..
Thats all my engine has needed in nearly four years ..
cheers danny
If you called me and said how much for an engine the same as yours id say £25k all in
If any one doubts my engine thats fine but its been in my car since feb 2007 and came out in jan 2010 as i was worried what wear there would be..
The nikel coated rings were still a gold colour with no wear marks and the bigs and mains were bronzed on the rear main and no 4 big on the left hand side..
I got niel roper to go through the head for me and spent £400 on odds and ends to make it better than the first time he had done it..
Thats all my engine has needed in nearly four years ..
cheers danny
26-11-2010, 08:12 PM
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It seems I have a better idea of what can be done than you do, as Danny is coming back with the same kind of realistic figures as I am saying it could be built for, yet you are just accepting the figure of £53k . And as you seem to still think I am an engine builder - I could build an engine like this that would make twice the power (with a 34mm restrictor) and cost £7.50
Would you also like to buy this MT75 gearbox I have for sale - its £15k. Don't worrry, it could be built up for under £5k, but is a special R&B one, which has been blessed by the pope and I sware JG looked at it once .
Anyway, all good publicity for JG - I bet the amount of people that have viewed his ebay post has quadrupled.
. And as you seem to still think I am an engine builder - I could build an engine like this that would make twice the power (with a 34mm restrictor) and cost £7.50 Would you also like to buy this MT75 gearbox I have for sale - its £15k. Don't worrry, it could be built up for under £5k, but is a special R&B one, which has been blessed by the pope and I sware JG looked at it once
.Anyway, all good publicity for JG - I bet the amount of people that have viewed his ebay post has quadrupled
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26-11-2010, 08:23 PM
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no actually,danny is saying what he can buy the bits for and build an engine similar spec but as he said he wouldnt know where to start with building an engine to do what the JG one does ,compression,egt etc. i know your not an engine builder...thank fuck. why would i want a mt75 gearbox exactly? i wouldnt buy it off you anyway ....it would be too dear....i would get a proper gearbox builder to build me one.....like you would do then try to sell it to me for an inflated price....
He also trys to find good products to sell and pass them on to fellow enthusiasts at a fair price...
Theres no point in arguing over what one another thinks is there when the facts are simple..
Jgs engines very well built and he is well respected for building a very strong engine but theres no doubt he is way to dear for most people..
cheers danny
26-11-2010, 08:46 PM
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He also trys to find good products to sell and pass them on to fellow enthusiasts at a fair price...
26-11-2010, 08:56 PM
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i know mike has a good clue when it comes to all things cossie .. i have not disputed that and there is no arguing its only a friendly discussion p.s still wouldnt give him 15k for that mt75 though
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