look like prison??
30-08-2010, 10:36 PM
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TBH id of done the same. But then i do have a act first sort the shit out later mentality and i am a bit paranoid! Not saying you are paranoid matt, although i would expect you to be a bit hypervigilant compared to your average civvy due to your training and experience which makes you that way.
you getting any legal advice?? might be worth trying to build up some mitigation to try and make it look different than a normal bit of unwarranted violence.
you getting any legal advice?? might be worth trying to build up some mitigation to try and make it look different than a normal bit of unwarranted violence.
30-08-2010, 10:41 PM
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TBH id of done the same. But then i do have a act first sort the shit out later mentality and i am a bit paranoid! Not saying you are paranoid matt, although i would expect you to be a bit hypervigilant compared to your average civvy due to your training and experience which makes you that way.
you getting any legal advice?? might be worth trying to build up some mitigation to try and make it look different than a normal bit of unwarranted violence.
you getting any legal advice?? might be worth trying to build up some mitigation to try and make it look different than a normal bit of unwarranted violence.
my old RSM is coming from wales and he`s going to have a word with court....
im not looking to get away with anything as i know in my right mind i should be punished for my actions.
30-08-2010, 10:45 PM
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but every little helps dont it. Youve served your country and were only doing what you thought best to protect your cousin. slightly excessive maybe by legal standards but hardly the same as most the CHAV loosers they get in court who beat someone up for "disrespektin' them in da hood" or other looser excuses they use.
your highly trained instincts and all that. instincts taught by the forces.....
im sure between you, you can make up some BS to try and help.
your highly trained instincts and all that. instincts taught by the forces.....
im sure between you, you can make up some BS to try and help.
30-08-2010, 10:49 PM
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thanks warren...ive got a good legal adviser "so im told" and ill go in smart and polite...maybe i am hypervigilant as i allways like to be 1 step infront.
my old RSM is coming from wales and he`s going to have a word with court....
im not looking to get away with anything as i know in my right mind i should be punished for my actions.
my old RSM is coming from wales and he`s going to have a word with court....
im not looking to get away with anything as i know in my right mind i should be punished for my actions.
Is it the police prosecuting or the fella you hit?
30-08-2010, 10:50 PM
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but every little helps dont it. Youve served your country and were only doing what you thought best to protect your cousin. slightly excessive maybe by legal standards but hardly the same as most the CHAV loosers they get in court who beat someone up for "disrespektin' them in da hood" or other looser excuses they use.
your highly trained instincts and all that. instincts taught by the forces.....
im sure between you, you can make up some BS to try and help.
your highly trained instincts and all that. instincts taught by the forces.....
im sure between you, you can make up some BS to try and help.
30-08-2010, 11:07 PM
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now the CPS are taking me to court for public order act and are sending me to crown because ive broke the suspended sentance.
30-08-2010, 11:10 PM
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Mat tbh it's impossible to say but my money would be on a massive fine and cs and tag. Fingers crossed for you mate
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problem is the first act mate, they dont really see anything else. Violent act's alway's go down shit with the court's. Add a bit off footie scuffle's and your fucked. I used to be well into all that shit then i met our lass and tbh she's worth more to me then a punch up.
Mat tbh it's impossible to say but my money would be on a massive fine and cs and tag. Fingers crossed for you mate
Mat tbh it's impossible to say but my money would be on a massive fine and cs and tag. Fingers crossed for you mate
30-08-2010, 11:17 PM
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problem is the first act mate, they dont really see anything else. Violent act's alway's go down shit with the court's. Add a bit off footie scuffle's and your fucked. I used to be well into all that shit then i met our lass and tbh she's worth more to me then a punch up.
Mat tbh it's impossible to say but my money would be on a massive fine and cs and tag. Fingers crossed for you mate
Mat tbh it's impossible to say but my money would be on a massive fine and cs and tag. Fingers crossed for you mate
30-08-2010, 11:21 PM
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i have a problem with this 'accidently' bit mate, wether defending yourself, or not, you dont 'accidently' punch someone in the face, if you ball your fist up, and throw it, you mean to punch 'someone', there is no 'accident', you just punched the wrong person, and if i 'accidently' puched a women clean in the face, and her fella lost the plot and whooped my arse, even if i didnt mean to punch his woman, and didnt deserve it, id honestly, at least be able to accept why he did it, because in his shoes, chances are, id have done the same thing.
so whos the clever one then??-and for what??
never in front of witnessess----or your mates-
keep it private and your laughing -but two many people like to brag and be the big man, i did this- i did that---- prisons are full of them-
ITS THE CLEVER PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE OUTSIDE!!!
WHERE ARE YOU??
never in front of witnessess----or your mates-
keep it private and your laughing -but two many people like to brag and be the big man, i did this- i did that---- prisons are full of them-
ITS THE CLEVER PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE OUTSIDE!!!
WHERE ARE YOU??
Neither do you!
The maximum custodial sentence for ONE offence is six months. For the absolute maximum of twelve months, there would have to be multiple offences. Should the offences be deemed serious enough in nature, or the circumstances too severe, then a case would likely be sent to the Crown Court for sentencing, where there is no limit on the custodial sentence passed, save for the guidelines on each offence.
The maximum custodial sentence for ONE offence is six months. For the absolute maximum of twelve months, there would have to be multiple offences. Should the offences be deemed serious enough in nature, or the circumstances too severe, then a case would likely be sent to the Crown Court for sentencing, where there is no limit on the custodial sentence passed, save for the guidelines on each offence.
And can i look after the Focus for you? At least then you'll know your 2 most prized possessions are being well looked after.
Best of luck mate, hopefully you'll get off as you don't come across as a knob, just somebody that got drawn in to a couple of unfortunate brawls. It might be time to reconsider how you deal with situations though, i used to go out with the intention of "sorting" out any problems that might crop up with a slap (i'm not saying i would always win but i was never afraid to find out) but once i thought i was looking at a prison sentence my whole outlook changed, now i pretty much do whatever i can to avoid trouble.
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Football hoolignasim (spelling) and what this chap did aren't the same IMO. He took his 9 year old cousin to wembly to watch Villa v Man Utd and was more then pissed off with the result and wanted nothing more then to get home and then a Manc gave it the biggun and he thought his cousin would be in danger so took care of things. Bit different to organising a fight an hour before kick off which is what happens. Watch The Football Factory film for more of an insight. Now, voilence doesn't solve anything and it sounds like your missis was possibly caught in the crossfire of a scrap and took one in the face. I challange any of you fella's to take your bird or fella if you are that way to a club and see her get "accidently" punched in the face and not do anything about it. "There, there dear, it's ok, the swelling and bruising will go down eventually". Do me a fucking favour, you'll all knock him out there and then if your mates didn't do the job for you !
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[QUOTE=DanRSturbo;5069692]Watch The Football Factory film for more of an insight.QUOTE]
The films cringworthy and what led to the down fall of footy violence with an influx of young chavvy wannabe's thinking it was cool getting in a police escort. Only good thing about that film was the tall kid with the long stony jacket, the coat was my mates they lent for the film of him.
The films cringworthy and what led to the down fall of footy violence with an influx of young chavvy wannabe's thinking it was cool getting in a police escort. Only good thing about that film was the tall kid with the long stony jacket, the coat was my mates they lent for the film of him.
30-08-2010, 11:48 PM
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That's exactly what it is now round here, loads of chavvy cunt's who wont go away but kick off watching it on a telly in the town
but they think there the bollocks because if they get done it's in the paper there football hooligan's which could be mat's saving grace as he was with his cousin. Tbh i'd proper play on that
Watch The Football Factory film for more of an insight.QUOTE]
The films cringworthy and what led to the down fall of footy violence with an influx of young chavvy wannabe's thinking it was cool getting in a police escort. Only good thing about that film was the tall kid with the long stony jacket, the coat was my mates they lent for the film of him.
The films cringworthy and what led to the down fall of footy violence with an influx of young chavvy wannabe's thinking it was cool getting in a police escort. Only good thing about that film was the tall kid with the long stony jacket, the coat was my mates they lent for the film of him.
but they think there the bollocks because if they get done it's in the paper there football hooligan's which could be mat's saving grace as he was with his cousin. Tbh i'd proper play on that
31-08-2010, 10:00 AM
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I had read as far as the reply I quoted at the time I quoted it.
I have now read the rest, and you come across differently in the rest.
You still need some sort of help or punishment though IMHO, either clinical or criminal depending on where the real truth lies between how your first portrayed yourself and are now trying to do so.
I have now read the rest, and you come across differently in the rest.
You still need some sort of help or punishment though IMHO, either clinical or criminal depending on where the real truth lies between how your first portrayed yourself and are now trying to do so.
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I had read as far as the reply I quoted at the time I quoted it.
I have now read the rest.
And I would in light of the rest of the thread now change my reply to "you deserve to spend time either in a mental hospital or a prison" rather than just prison, but either way you need taking off the streets and sorting out as your behaviour is unacceptable.
I have now read the rest.
And I would in light of the rest of the thread now change my reply to "you deserve to spend time either in a mental hospital or a prison" rather than just prison, but either way you need taking off the streets and sorting out as your behaviour is unacceptable.
31-08-2010, 10:06 AM
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Agreed, when I read that back after I wrote it I felt the same, by taking off the streets I didnt mean locked up for a year in a mental health hospital like that read, I meant just put into therapy of some sort, which is why I had already edited it at 11:04 before you replied at 11:05 as I realised it was badly worded myself.
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You hit a stranger in front of a 9 year old boy and think that's normal?
Another example of Britain's underclass at work again.....
31-08-2010, 10:08 AM
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Think the mitigating circumstances will help. People must understand how angry you must have been knowing someone punched your other half and at the footie protecting your cousin sounds fair enough to me. May I also suggest maybe taking up martial arts as it helps me get rid of stress in a safe controlled environment.
Not saying what you did was right and as you've realised it wasn't the best thing to do but can fully understandyour reasons and as you've accepted you were wrong you don't deserve to go down so I for one hope you don't.
Can I have second offer on keeping your car from ceasing if you do tho lol.
Not saying what you did was right and as you've realised it wasn't the best thing to do but can fully understandyour reasons and as you've accepted you were wrong you don't deserve to go down so I for one hope you don't.
Can I have second offer on keeping your car from ceasing if you do tho lol.
31-08-2010, 10:10 AM
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IF, he genuinely felt that and isnt just saying it now to try and look less of a cunt, then one of a couple of things is true:
1) He correctly read the situation and the 9 year old was indeed in danger
2) He is too hot headed and paranoid and jumped to an exagerated conclusion with regards to the level of risk involved for the 9 year old
Personally my gut feeling is that it was the 2nd, and that he needs to learn to calm down and should have just run away like he did but without hitting anyone first, but I wasnt actually there to know for sure.
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I go to football nearly every week and have never even tried to get near a fight.
Suppose its just down to different levels of mentality....
31-08-2010, 10:14 AM
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britain`s underclass as im known did 9yrs service for this country!
I actually get pretty fed up though of troops and the police etc saying they are somehow doing it for the rest of us when that is so rarely the real case IMHO, and its normally the ones who preach the loudest about how they did it for the selfless reasons who actually did it for the selfish ones IMHO.