Towing a trailor with a car on the back with a B Licence
03-08-2010, 12:11 PM
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I dont know the law on homemade trailer plating legalities im afraid mate.
as far as im aware though, the law you mention only applies to trailers after a certain date (in the 80s IIRC) and so if you just claim the trailer is 30 years old, it wont need a plate
as far as im aware though, the law you mention only applies to trailers after a certain date (in the 80s IIRC) and so if you just claim the trailer is 30 years old, it wont need a plate
03-08-2010, 12:13 PM
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If you'd be unlucky getting pulled while towing a safe looking outfit you'd be very unlucky for the vosa/police to pick up on the plate being 'supplied' if everything was sensibly done - wouldn't you?
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03-08-2010, 12:18 PM
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Test is about Ł150 and apparently not too difficult. There is some scope for towing sall track cars without as has been highlighted.
As far as Im aware IVA testing for trailers begins in 2012 http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...icle/DG_177879
Yeah just stamp your own plate making sure it doesnt exceed the safe load of the axles or hitch. I believe displaying one is a legal requirement.
As far as Im aware IVA testing for trailers begins in 2012 http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...icle/DG_177879
Yeah just stamp your own plate making sure it doesnt exceed the safe load of the axles or hitch. I believe displaying one is a legal requirement.
03-08-2010, 02:00 PM
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Yes, iva in 2012 by the looks of it but only Ł70. Mind you if you just put 2010 on the plate regardless of the date it was built I can't see how they could prove otherwise?
Got some real life numbers off my mk2 mondonky estate. The plate in the door shut reads:
O 2010kg
B 3260kg
VN 1030kg
P9 1030kg
Now I'm assuming the letters perhaps stand for something in german (where it was made)?
I guess 2010kg is the gross weight. Does this mean that the kerb weight is only 1030kg?? If the 3260kg is the gross train weight what happens if I exceed it? Vosa say it is a cat b vehicle so should be ok for 3500kg. Would they inforce the manufacturers train weight over theirs when prosecuting?
Got some real life numbers off my mk2 mondonky estate. The plate in the door shut reads:
O 2010kg
B 3260kg
VN 1030kg
P9 1030kg
Now I'm assuming the letters perhaps stand for something in german (where it was made)?
I guess 2010kg is the gross weight. Does this mean that the kerb weight is only 1030kg?? If the 3260kg is the gross train weight what happens if I exceed it? Vosa say it is a cat b vehicle so should be ok for 3500kg. Would they inforce the manufacturers train weight over theirs when prosecuting?
03-08-2010, 02:05 PM
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Yes, iva in 2012 by the looks of it but only Ł70. Mind you if you just put 2010 on the plate regardless of the date it was built I can't see how they could prove otherwise?
Got some real life numbers off my mk2 mondonky estate. The plate in the door shut reads:
O 2010kg
B 3260kg
VN 1030kg
P9 1030kg
Now I'm assuming the letters perhaps stand for something in german (where it was made)?
I guess 2010kg is the gross weight. Does this mean that the kerb weight is only 1030kg?? If the 3260kg is the gross train weight what happens if I exceed it? Vosa say it is a cat b vehicle so should be ok for 3500kg. Would they inforce the manufacturers train weight over theirs when prosecuting?
Got some real life numbers off my mk2 mondonky estate. The plate in the door shut reads:
O 2010kg
B 3260kg
VN 1030kg
P9 1030kg
Now I'm assuming the letters perhaps stand for something in german (where it was made)?
I guess 2010kg is the gross weight. Does this mean that the kerb weight is only 1030kg?? If the 3260kg is the gross train weight what happens if I exceed it? Vosa say it is a cat b vehicle so should be ok for 3500kg. Would they inforce the manufacturers train weight over theirs when prosecuting?
IIRC its
Gross weight
Max train weight
Max axle weight front
Max axle weight rear
It wont have "kerb weight" on it, as thats including a person and some fuel etc and is a uk legislation thing rather than specific to the vehicle.
The letters are nothing to do with it, thats the trim code and transmission type etc
Last edited by Chip; 03-08-2010 at 02:07 PM.
03-08-2010, 02:20 PM
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As far as I a aware the manufacturers limits apply over the rules. A reliant robin is a category B vehicle but I wouldnt want to run 3500 GTW with it.
You cant exceed the 3260 legally on a cat B license though as you would be limited by the by the unladen weight which is probably 1250kg or so
You cant exceed the 3260 legally on a cat B license though as you would be limited by the by the unladen weight which is probably 1250kg or so
03-08-2010, 02:21 PM
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Chip i stand corrected m8, http://www.monoposto.co.uk/goracing/towing.htm check out the "driving licences summary" no prizes for guessing which part i too note of and chose to ignore the rest eh! (lgv drivers)
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03-08-2010, 02:31 PM
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As far as I a aware the manufacturers limits apply over the rules.A reliant robin is a category B vehicle but I wouldnt want to run 3500 GTW with it.
You cant exceed the 3260 legally on a cat B license though as you would be limited by the by the unladen weight which is probably 1250kg or so
You cant exceed the 3260 legally on a cat B license though as you would be limited by the by the unladen weight which is probably 1250kg or so
A Reliant Robin isnt a cat B veichle. It's B1 which is a motorcycle? Manufacturers DO rate their vehicles towing weight limit though. My Forester is rated to tow upto 1,500KG so if my dad was to drive it he could tow 1,500KG. Because of my licence I can't tow more than the Kerb Weight of the car, so I'm limited to the Foresters weight, which is 1,360 KG Or am I missing thwe point here?
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03-08-2010, 03:17 PM
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Muz you cant tow more than the vehicle thats towing weight. So your foresters weight is 1,360kg so your trailer + escorts weight cant be more than 1,360kg. Then trailer/escort + forester = less than 3.5ton.
03-08-2010, 03:43 PM
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On a catagory B licence aslong as whats being towed does not exceed the unladen weight of the vehicle towing, then its ok aslong as they both (towing vehicle + trailer and car) dont exceed 3.5ton.
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03-08-2010, 03:47 PM
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Yes that is correct. Assuming that when you say "you can tow upto 3.5 ton" you actually mean the weight of the tow vehicle and the thing you are towing combined comes in at under 3.5 ton, where as you seem to have worded it as if just the thing you are towing can be upto 3.5 ton.
03-08-2010, 03:49 PM
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Ahh i get you Chip! Na i ment everything cant be over 3.5tons! Ive just edited it!
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03-08-2010, 03:49 PM
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A Reliant Robin isnt a cat B veichle. It's B1 which is a motorcycle? Manufacturers DO rate their vehicles towing weight limit though. My Forester is rated to tow upto 1,500KG so if my dad was to drive it he could tow 1,500KG. Because of my licence I can't tow more than the Kerb Weight of the car, so I'm limited to the Foresters weight, which is 1,360 KG Or am I missing thwe point here?
Indeed they do dads saab is a 130kg vehicle with a 1600kg towing limit. You're quite right though, on a port '97 license you cant tow more than the unladen weight.
another point, unladen weight and kerb weight arent the same thing......
03-08-2010, 03:52 PM
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It's ok Matt. I understand what I can and can't do with regards to weight etc. I just wanted to know what the chances of actually being pulled over by a passing copper who would look at me and say, that don't look right, as I realise I would be about 100-150KG over weight. If I were to use something an Ifor Williams CT115 I would be ok as they weigh 350KG, it's just finding one local.
03-08-2010, 03:56 PM
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Tbh mate if the car towing looks capable of pulling it then im sure you would be fine. Ive towed from Portsmouth to London a few times which is 150m round trip, been past many coppers and ive never been pulled! Its up to you oviously but like someone said earlier if its a metro pulling it then yeh they would probsa give you a tug, but a forrester is fairly big so you should be ok mate!
03-08-2010, 05:44 PM
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i have an st tdci mondeo estate which i bought for towing a heavy duty brian james clubman trailer which i carry my xpack on, i always get get all my gear wheels etc in too and i am within my limits.i always get a wieghbridge ticket too as i have been stopped a few times,my advice is if you are not legal do not set off as they seem to be clamping down on this.
03-08-2010, 07:33 PM
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chip why are 'a' frames illegal?
i have heard this before but ive seen the aa use them and people with mobile homes using them to pull a car behind.
just curios fella
i have heard this before but ive seen the aa use them and people with mobile homes using them to pull a car behind.
just curios fella
03-08-2010, 07:44 PM
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the AA have a dispensation for recovery.
Some conversions offer braked a frames for campers which operate the brakes of the vehicle being towed but they are expensive and require that you always tow the same vehicle with the same tow car.
In general a frames folk refer to on here are illegal cos you end up with an unbraked trailer over 750kg.
Some conversions offer braked a frames for campers which operate the brakes of the vehicle being towed but they are expensive and require that you always tow the same vehicle with the same tow car.
In general a frames folk refer to on here are illegal cos you end up with an unbraked trailer over 750kg.
03-08-2010, 07:47 PM
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the AA have a dispensation for recovery.
Some conversions offer braked a frames for campers which operate the brakes of the vehicle being towed but they are expensive and require that you always tow the same vehicle with the same tow car.
In general a frames folk refer to on here are illegal cos you end up with an unbraked trailer over 750kg.
Some conversions offer braked a frames for campers which operate the brakes of the vehicle being towed but they are expensive and require that you always tow the same vehicle with the same tow car.
In general a frames folk refer to on here are illegal cos you end up with an unbraked trailer over 750kg.
cheers for that,
its made things clearer now.
04-08-2010, 12:18 PM
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Just to mix things up a little, I know an a frame is illegal as it's unbraked but
I have dolly wheels that are braked,
so I have an transit connect t230 and a
little striped out Suzuki sj offroader which I tow
with my dolly all well under 3.5 tons so how
do I stand with the law? Cheers John
I have dolly wheels that are braked,
so I have an transit connect t230 and a
little striped out Suzuki sj offroader which I tow
with my dolly all well under 3.5 tons so how
do I stand with the law? Cheers John
04-08-2010, 12:22 PM
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the AA have a dispensation for recovery.
Some conversions offer braked a frames for campers which operate the brakes of the vehicle being towed but they are expensive and require that you always tow the same vehicle with the same tow car.
In general a frames folk refer to on here are illegal cos you end up with an unbraked trailer over 750kg.
Some conversions offer braked a frames for campers which operate the brakes of the vehicle being towed but they are expensive and require that you always tow the same vehicle with the same tow car.
In general a frames folk refer to on here are illegal cos you end up with an unbraked trailer over 750kg.
Brake applying a frames are still illegal.
Any trailer made after 1986 over 750kg in weight must conform to the revelent regulations on trailer brakes, and car brakes dont, YES they are better than trailer brakes but NO they havent been put through the test so they arent approved and hence are illegal.
Last edited by Chip; 04-08-2010 at 12:23 PM.
04-08-2010, 12:24 PM
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Just to mix things up a little, I know an a frame is illegal as it's unbraked but
I have dolly wheels that are braked,
so I have an transit connect t230 and a
little striped out Suzuki sj offroader which I tow
with my dolly all well under 3.5 tons so how
do I stand with the law? Cheers John
I have dolly wheels that are braked,
so I have an transit connect t230 and a
little striped out Suzuki sj offroader which I tow
with my dolly all well under 3.5 tons so how
do I stand with the law? Cheers John
04-08-2010, 12:52 PM
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Dollys are legal only to "recover to a place of safety"
and that means the first layby or whatever you come to, and it means that the car must have broken down somewhere in the first place to need recovering to safery, which means the car needs to be legal.
Thats the ONLY legal use of them as far as I know.
and that means the first layby or whatever you come to, and it means that the car must have broken down somewhere in the first place to need recovering to safery, which means the car needs to be legal.
Thats the ONLY legal use of them as far as I know.
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