The next big thing for cossies/YB engine ?
23-03-2010, 04:24 PM
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The next big thing for cossies/YB engine ?
Well we have had for the trusty old YB so far .......
8 injectors
Air Injectors
ECU monitors (PC and Standalone)
Closed Loop Fuelling on OEM Ecu
Coil Pack conversions on OEM ecu
ALS conversions on OEM ecu
Launch Control conversions on OEM ecu
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeedish inlet manifolds.
Inlet Manifold spacers.
Magnetic drain plugs.
Whats the next big thing ? .....
I am just curious if people have new "wish list" ideas on electrical or mechanical items or new trends that could be applied to the YB ?
The only thing I can think of roght now is closed loop wideband on the OEM ecu.
Sensible discussions welcomed
** OEM= Original equipment manufacturer
** This isnt an advert for me or MSD ... LOL
8 injectors
Air Injectors
ECU monitors (PC and Standalone)
Closed Loop Fuelling on OEM Ecu
Coil Pack conversions on OEM ecu
ALS conversions on OEM ecu
Launch Control conversions on OEM ecu
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeedish inlet manifolds.
Inlet Manifold spacers.
Magnetic drain plugs.
Whats the next big thing ? .....
I am just curious if people have new "wish list" ideas on electrical or mechanical items or new trends that could be applied to the YB ?
The only thing I can think of roght now is closed loop wideband on the OEM ecu.
Sensible discussions welcomed
** OEM= Original equipment manufacturer
** This isnt an advert for me or MSD ... LOL
23-03-2010, 04:29 PM
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in all seriousness i think its good the OEM ECU is being developed further.
However, to me it just seems crazy money to have all these newer features added to an old ECU which then makes it more expensive than equivalent modern ECUs (and with most modern ECUS you get a new loom too so more saving).
However, to me it just seems crazy money to have all these newer features added to an old ECU which then makes it more expensive than equivalent modern ECUs (and with most modern ECUS you get a new loom too so more saving).
23-03-2010, 04:37 PM
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Completely agree with Ran, only reason I went with all the L8 MSD gear is cos I got it cheap, having said that, it is still quite good
Simon,
Could it be the coil on plug conversion you're developing
I'd really like a SECS monitor that works with REVS on the coil pack conversion
It could be a really interesting thread, and over time it will be good to see what is next...maybe more people putting bigger turbos on standard heads?
Simon,
Could it be the coil on plug conversion you're developing
I'd really like a SECS monitor that works with REVS on the coil pack conversion
It could be a really interesting thread, and over time it will be good to see what is next...maybe more people putting bigger turbos on standard heads?
23-03-2010, 04:40 PM
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Id be interested to see a variable cam timing arrangement tried given how cam timing sensitive the YB seems to be, so I reckon it could work well.
But TBH I just cant really see the point in trying to turn the YB into a modern engine, either enjoy its brutal 80s simplicity or buy a more modern engine I reckon!
But TBH I just cant really see the point in trying to turn the YB into a modern engine, either enjoy its brutal 80s simplicity or buy a more modern engine I reckon!
23-03-2010, 04:42 PM
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i think Rich has done the put big turbo on std engine and got good results 
for me it all depends upon how much more power you can extract from the engine over a std ecu and its driveability.
Most of the add ons that have been developed are std equipment on modern ECUs so why would you pay to have this added onto an old ECU?
I dont have a cossie anymore but i found all the options I wanted on mine were only available as add ons to the existing OEM ECU and thus were very expensive when compared to installing a modern ECU with new loom and map.
for me it all depends upon how much more power you can extract from the engine over a std ecu and its driveability.
Most of the add ons that have been developed are std equipment on modern ECUs so why would you pay to have this added onto an old ECU?
I dont have a cossie anymore but i found all the options I wanted on mine were only available as add ons to the existing OEM ECU and thus were very expensive when compared to installing a modern ECU with new loom and map.
23-03-2010, 04:42 PM
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Completely agree with Ran, only reason I went with all the L8 MSD gear is cos I got it cheap, having said that, it is still quite good
Simon,
Could it be the coil on plug conversion you're developing
I'd really like a SECS monitor that works with REVS on the coil pack conversion
It could be a really interesting thread, and over time it will be good to see what is next...maybe more people putting bigger turbos on standard heads?
Simon,
Could it be the coil on plug conversion you're developing
I'd really like a SECS monitor that works with REVS on the coil pack conversion
It could be a really interesting thread, and over time it will be good to see what is next...maybe more people putting bigger turbos on standard heads?
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23-03-2010, 05:10 PM
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Id be interested to see a variable cam timing arrangement tried given how cam timing sensitive the YB seems to be, so I reckon it could work well.
But TBH I just cant really see the point in trying to turn the YB into a modern engine, either enjoy its brutal 80s simplicity or buy a more modern engine I reckon!
But TBH I just cant really see the point in trying to turn the YB into a modern engine, either enjoy its brutal 80s simplicity or buy a more modern engine I reckon!
23-03-2010, 05:22 PM
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How about a cheaper Accuvolt system than the Jacobs to run at 15v for Fuel Pump & will also supply 12v to all other accesories even when the Alternator fails & the battery drops to under 8V.
23-03-2010, 05:35 PM
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pmsl at the 'n95 8 injector conversion' 
something that turns rust to solid metal instantly would be sure to be a huge hit
id like to see one make 1000bhp on english rollers (unless this has been done!?)
i dont think theres many mechanical things for the engines left, its all modern electronics now a days unless like Paul S says and they can make some lighter parts
something that turns rust to solid metal instantly would be sure to be a huge hit
id like to see one make 1000bhp on english rollers (unless this has been done!?)
i dont think theres many mechanical things for the engines left, its all modern electronics now a days unless like Paul S says and they can make some lighter parts
23-03-2010, 05:42 PM
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I'd be quite surprised but pleased if someone bolts on a bigger turbo than mine on a standard ported head and didnt encounter surge and have to cap the boost.
Wouldnt call magnetic drain plugs a big thing either.
Agree with Rod - a cheaper Accuvolt system. I look at my volt gauge more than any other if im honest just because i have seen the results of an alternator failing when on the loud pedal
Wouldnt call magnetic drain plugs a big thing either.
Agree with Rod - a cheaper Accuvolt system. I look at my volt gauge more than any other if im honest just because i have seen the results of an alternator failing when on the loud pedal
23-03-2010, 06:05 PM
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can the ecu not control the flow rate of the pump on the autronic and vipec?
i.e on several motec systems i have worked on they run several failsafe strategies, one being if the ecu power drops below a certain power the ecu triggers a failsafe strategy which puts the map in limp mode and slow the rate of the fuel pump also to save failure.
i.e on several motec systems i have worked on they run several failsafe strategies, one being if the ecu power drops below a certain power the ecu triggers a failsafe strategy which puts the map in limp mode and slow the rate of the fuel pump also to save failure.
23-03-2010, 06:06 PM
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I'd be quite surprised but pleased if someone bolts on a bigger turbo than mine on a standard ported head and didnt encounter surge and have to cap the boost.
Wouldnt call magnetic drain plugs a big thing either.
Agree with Rod - a cheaper Accuvolt system. I look at my volt gauge more than any other if im honest just because i have seen the results of an alternator failing when on the loud pedal
Wouldnt call magnetic drain plugs a big thing either.
Agree with Rod - a cheaper Accuvolt system. I look at my volt gauge more than any other if im honest just because i have seen the results of an alternator failing when on the loud pedal
23-03-2010, 06:08 PM
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Id be interested to see a variable cam timing arrangement tried given how cam timing sensitive the YB seems to be, so I reckon it could work well.
But TBH I just cant really see the point in trying to turn the YB into a modern engine, either enjoy its brutal 80s simplicity or buy a more modern engine I reckon!
But TBH I just cant really see the point in trying to turn the YB into a modern engine, either enjoy its brutal 80s simplicity or buy a more modern engine I reckon!
almost exactly what i was going to type.
23-03-2010, 06:09 PM
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can the ecu not control the flow rate of the pump on the autronic and vipec?
i.e on several motec systems i have worked on they run several failsafe strategies, one being if the ecu power drops below a certain power the ecu triggers a failsafe strategy which puts the map in limp mode and slow the rate of the fuel pump also to save failure.
i.e on several motec systems i have worked on they run several failsafe strategies, one being if the ecu power drops below a certain power the ecu triggers a failsafe strategy which puts the map in limp mode and slow the rate of the fuel pump also to save failure.
I cant imagine why you would want to slow the pump though, then you would get a drop if pressure too, and surely that is the last thing you want?
Unless you are monitoring the fuel pressure you are pretty much fucked once the pump stops working well enough to maintain pressure though, you would never be able to guess at it well enough, so the trick is just to get the ecu to stop allowing boost once the voltage drops enough that you believe fuel pressure has become a problem.
23-03-2010, 06:14 PM
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Didnt mention harming the engine Chipus just keeping 15v to the pump even when alternator fails & battery starts to drop.
23-03-2010, 06:42 PM
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I want to do a twin charge conversion, and would be nice to see VNT technology filter down onto aftermarket turbos, be nice in either instance to fill that area under the graph in big 450+ cossies.
23-03-2010, 07:20 PM
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If you have no surge, and i assume there is no capping of the boost in the midrange and it makes as much boost as it can, as early as it can, then i would have thought with a mildly mental inlet cam you would wipe the floor with my car especially if you run 2.5 bar
the T66 is massive isnt it?
23-03-2010, 07:57 PM
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I'd love to try a bigger inlet cam but i'm pretty sure the pistons aren't pocketed althought they are low compression. Ye it just makes as much boost as it likes Martoon set it up and it is lazy as you can see from the graph but doesn't drive a bad as the graph looks. Martin reckons it just so big that there is just not enough air low down in the range to spin it up so it doesn't surge at all. (Big ports and massive cams would help) It made that power at 1.9 Bar on the dyno but makes 2.2 Bar when driving on the road!?!? So it might be more not sure if you get more load on the road?
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24-03-2010, 12:05 AM
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The ecu was good, it was me who failed
A small bit of extra development and backing could have made it very good .. IMO of course
Its only expensive due to the way its marketed , the technology isnt expensive or complicated
Yes I have developed a coil on plug adaptor for my personal car.
I will be doing a resto thread detailing my car soon
The old secs monitor rights and design are being transfered to a PF official trader including updated software that sorts that out.
I am sure that trader will make an announcment very soon
I like this !!!!!!
I have often thought about adapting an existing BMW system onto the YB but it isnt very good on the BMW so will be shit on a YB... lol
Knock link
Only in so much that on some cars, the heat of the engine can destroy the coils over time but those cars that have that problem are using shit coils in the first place
In fact this is the ideal ignition system if implemented properly.
I like this too !!
I think I will have a go at making one of these myself too !
The existing MSD coilpack driver board will run coil on plugs no problem.
Except, the coils are wired in pairs so effectively its a wasted spark system.
The one I have made for my own car is truly sequential
The ecu was good, it was me who failed
A small bit of extra development and backing could have made it very good .. IMO of course
in all seriousness i think its good the OEM ECU is being developed further.
However, to me it just seems crazy money to have all these newer features added to an old ECU which then makes it more expensive than equivalent modern ECUs (and with most modern ECUS you get a new loom too so more saving).
However, to me it just seems crazy money to have all these newer features added to an old ECU which then makes it more expensive than equivalent modern ECUs (and with most modern ECUS you get a new loom too so more saving).
Originally Posted by James90RS
Could it be the coil on plug conversion you're developing
I will be doing a resto thread detailing my car soon
Originally Posted by James90RS
I'd really like a SECS monitor that works with REVS on the coil pack conversion
I am sure that trader will make an announcment very soon
Originally Posted by Chip
Id be interested to see a variable cam timing arrangement tried given how cam timing sensitive the YB seems to be, so I reckon it could work well
I have often thought about adapting an existing BMW system onto the YB but it isnt very good on the BMW so will be shit on a YB... lol
Knock link
Only in so much that on some cars, the heat of the engine can destroy the coils over time but those cars that have that problem are using shit coils in the first place
In fact this is the ideal ignition system if implemented properly.
I think I will have a go at making one of these myself too !
Except, the coils are wired in pairs so effectively its a wasted spark system.
The one I have made for my own car is truly sequential
24-03-2010, 07:58 AM
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Id be interested to see a variable cam timing arrangement tried given how cam timing sensitive the YB seems to be, so I reckon it could work well.
But TBH I just cant really see the point in trying to turn the YB into a modern engine, either enjoy its brutal 80s simplicity or buy a more modern engine I reckon!
But TBH I just cant really see the point in trying to turn the YB into a modern engine, either enjoy its brutal 80s simplicity or buy a more modern engine I reckon!
cossie owners weren't prepared to pay all those years ago
24-03-2010, 09:21 AM
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The trouble with running COP wasted spark is you are of course doubling the amount of work done by each COP, and with them already prone to failure in lots of instalations when running big rpm, thats obviously the last thing you want to do.
Given that the L8 is already sequential for fuelling and has the phase and crank sensor required accordingly I am sure it was pretty minimal extra effort to run it sequential, just a case of physically needing a couple more wires that makes it more difficult from a plug and play point of view as you must be running out now on the standard loom plug!