RWD_cossie_wil

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I am having a bit of trouble with my Escort Cossie (T25) . I have an oil pressure problem, which is a bit confusing? From a cold start, it takes about 5-6 seconds to build oil pressure, which then registers on the gauge and turns the dash light off. The car is then fine, as the cold reading is off the top of the dash gauge (as it should be, the oil pump is a burton high pressure 5 bar pump) while the car warms up. As it gets warmer, the oil pressure gradually drops off (as the oil gets thinner I imagine) until at idle (approx 850-900RPM) , it is off the bottom of the gauge, the followers rattle, but the oil light does not come on. As soon as you put any RPM on the engine, the oil pressure rises quickly and the followers quieten down.....The car is on running in mineral oil, but I can't see that causing a problem??

The engine is a fresh build, and everything is brand new (shells, pistons+rings, followers etc etc), everything was measured and in spec. The only thing I can think could be the problem is the Burton Power oil pump? I have heard storys of the relief valve sticking slighly open, allowing the oil to drain back out of the system? Has anyone else had problems with a Burton pump?

cossie4i+

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I can't help you but i hope you don't kill your engine

Steve

JTECH James

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had one exactly the same in last week on the same pump.

exactly as you decsribed

RUPERT THE BIG HAIRY BEAR

can u not tell him how u fixed atleast then lol rather than just tease him

Asturias2

Burton do sell some rubbish tbh,I very nearly bought a pump off them but went for the genuine updated one instead from WGM.

JTECH James

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wasnt in for that, but i strongly advised it was investigated

RWD_cossie_wil

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So you recon a new pump would sort it James? Where is best to get a small turbo 5 bar pump from?

Turbosystems

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you only need a standard pressure pump

JTECH James

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we didnt do much investigation on it, but its a real coincidence ..

his was a fresh motor aswell

mechanic28

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hate burtons with a passion

lacey

i cant understand why people still have trouble machining these parts when all it takes is abit of tlc and someone that enjoys there job to get them right. Imo . I machined oil pumps for the prodrive mondeo and mct , mountune and shit loads of other top works teams along with 1000s of fast road boys over 10 years so i know its not hard to get it right

105epwr

i had a faulty burton pump on a x-flow i built,this was a hp/hc pump and it wiped the crank out on the dyno but burton said its not the pump...i must of left swarf inside the motor......
so i fitted another crank,shells and a different std pump and then went on to make 148bhp.

RWD_cossie_wil

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I just seem to remember that other people had probs with burton pumps in the past? Where does small turbo pumps then?

forevaford

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right, i had a problem with a 4x4 cosworth high pressure pump. on examination it had a crack in the pump body,consequently inducing air into the pressurised oil system and playing my tappets up lol.
my syptoms was (also on a fresh engine) toisy tappets when warm, and 6-8 seconds to build oil pressure when shut down. actual oil pressure when warm was ok ish (1.8bar) even if you thrashed it the tappets didnt shut up, after inspection of the pump i found the crack, the pump was new aswel. anyway changed the pump and it was fine, job done. i know its a different pump to what you have described but im just making you aware of my similar symptoms and my field of fix.
mart

RWD_cossie_wil

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Cheers for the info Mart, still points at the oil pump

aviran_rsturbo_israel

i have a burton power oil pump
never had any trouble with it...

mark n lou

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i am having problems with a burton pump in my pinto.
fresh engine built, fitted last weekend.
on initial start up, after spinning up with drill through dizzy drive, recorded 160psi briefly before it blew a core plug out from behind the timing cover.
fixed this, and re-started with a different gauge. blew seal off oil filter and deposited oil on drive.
was ticking over at 105psi.
removed sump/cross member to get at pump. refitted old pump and everything was fine. (70psi at revs)
returned pump to burtons for a refund. should not be a problem, but i dont think they are going to repay me for sump gasket, oil filter, 4 litre of oil and 6 hrs labour, which i have asked them for. still waiting to hear back.

have since heard of a few other people having problems too with burton pumps.

update.----
heard back from burtons today.
very apologetic. refunding me for pump and sump gasket.
sending me 4 litre of oil and a filter, for next oil change.
adding a trade discount to my account to compensate for the labour.

RichieST

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Do Burton's make their own pumps then or are they sourced from some place else?

There was a thread on here a couple of days ago about a fresh engine build with a dodgy pump, wonder if that was a Burton's too?

RST

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Plus one!

RSTurboSI

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I got a Pump from them last time i rebuilt the engine. It broken down and stopped feeding Oil into the head, that was just after 62 miles. And that was running the dam thing in. went to Norris and he sorted me one.

Ring Oli or Karl @ Norris. 01773 836274

scoooby slayer

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just get it out and check it dont risk it pal. hope its an easy fix for ya.

smartrs

now i'm worried i've just re-build mine using a new high pressure pump but not from burtons (although i nearly brought one from there) and i hink my oil pressure may be down although my followers are as quiet as a mouse just think i have a dodgy cheap oil pressure gauge

rst in breaking

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i had one on my zt, went from holding 5 bar, towed the car then had nothing????? took apart and gears had eaten themselves and engine was swarf free

RWD_cossie_wil

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Anyone else?

B13 JUS

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i'm sure ford still sell them. my mate bought one a few months back for his 4x4 saph and they gave him the wrong one.
i think it was the small turbo oil pump they gave him.

JamesH

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Sounds like the pump to me

D11AKS

hp pump from burton allmost killed my engine fresh built real pain in the rs swapping it over after 10 miles then all was fine
got refund on pump but didn't make up for all the gaskets and time

ECOS95

Was anything wrong with the original pump? if not I'd put that back in before it all goes horribly (expensively) wrong.

Glenn_

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So lesson learnt,dont buy a oil pump from Burton.

Why do some people hate Burton power for.

gticlassique

the same story for me , fit a burton power high pressure oil pump on my 1600 cvh and at the start , the pressure was to low under 30psi

i bought another one , i fit it , and after 10 miles the pump is broken

engine fresh rebuilt with all parts new

the pump after 10 miles





i don't know why burton power continue to sell this parts ?

mk22door

I was just recalling the same information from my memory.


Oh, that was an old post

gticlassique

burton power answer :

" Hello,
We have removed this from our Facebook site, can you please contact us through sales@burtonpower.com for any problems with parts. Please find attached the fitting instructions for this oil pump.
This sort of damage is caused by a fitting error, it is not a faulty pump. we sell lots of these and do not have a any problems with these.
regards Ian "



lol