andrewg

at the end of the day he has backed out putting it on the rollers when he said he would no point in all winging!

RANJ

i know mate, another reason i got out all this bollox. pop by one day , still havnt seen your escort since the gumball

Ollie.

No one mentioned dave putting it on the rollers at full boost? You're the only one who keeps bringing it up? Get it on the rollers, at the 1.9 bar hes been using it at and show everyone hes got confidence in the engine lasting.


Ranj i dont see how im making myself look like an idiot. We had all the posts on here from dave... my cars rapid, everyone thinks its rapid blah blah blah but now when he's been put on the spot to prove his claims he's backed down with excuse after excuse. Correct me if im wrong but theres only one person there looking stupid... and its not me.

Chip

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Yes the white one, although I dont recall the details of what failed, I just remember that sadly it did.
What made the boost level unsafe mate?
Was it that it hadnt yet been mapped to that boost level?

And I was also referring to at TOTB where he had a lifter shim jump off and it took the engine out of action for a couple of hours.

These things happen at that level, its not me having a go at andy, ive got tons of respect for the guy, im just using him as an example of the fact that failures can and do happen.

RANJ

its been proven at brunters ?

Chip

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20 seconds lasting on the rollers isnt going to prove anything, its seen more use than that already.
If he puts it on the rollers at 1.9 bar, it will be published with figures at 1.9 bar that he will never get to prove can be bettered in the car on full boost as he is no longer keeping the car, so while before it was a case of finding out as its a useful evolutionary step, now its a case of if he does it then that is the last figure it will ever record for him, so he wants it to be a full boost one if he does it at all I expect, I certainly would anyway.



The car has done 194 mph on a lower spec than it is now, if anyone doubts it is rapid after that, I suspect that a piece of paper from a dyno isnt going to be enough to change their mind either, especially one showing 100bhp less than the one dave had already posted in this thread anyway!

RANJ

lol to hard to grasp, 194 on old engine, new engine more power lol

Chip

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You still havent replied about if you are prepared to cover the gearbox going up to full boost or not, if you reply to that question, he may not be backing out at all

Are you actually prepared to put your moeny where your mouth is with that or was that just one of these things people say on the spur of the moment and then back out of when it comes to it?

saph4be

that just what it said in fast ford that on last run the engine "let go" after boost was turned up to a unsafe level that was all it said mate.

i not saying you have a go was just asking which time at brunters you ment.

as for all this dyno stuff seems pointless to me made its power on the engine dyno and like you said if it a copy of rods should be good for similar power.

personally i have respect for anyone from any tuner camp who choose to go for these huge numbers.

coleman

I bet the mods have had a full time job just removing all the tags, lol

Turner RS

I have just read this thread from the start, i now want to shoot my neigbour, i dont do keyboard warrior

As for this engine it can't sell complete for the kinda money talked about unless mapped on full boost and proven it can stay together STATEMENT OF FACT.

Whose actual car is it anyway that chip fellas or the thread starter? I am all confused LOL.

Ollie.

Chip i dont doubt its rapid. It must be awesome but i feel daves hiding something, not the box, that is worrying him and putting him off running the engine on the RR.

stevenebm

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m.a.d. chip strikes again

RANJ

i managed to sell dave the orignal 600+ engine while it was still on mark sheads bench UNFIRED//UNRUN/UN-DYNOED

so your very wrong

Rod-Tarry

Andrew
Dave still had that bit of dream factor in all his previous decisions hes not as cold & calculated as you or I mate, he just isnt. Dave & Helen love their Cosies & at times it got in the way of what he really needed to be concentrating on.
I probably put the damper on the 200mph dream cos i told him that it would probably not do it on the first visit, Martin had a more capable (stopping Power) car than him & took several efforts & big time stopping to make it, Dave wanted one visit, even you didnt do it first time.
If you want to see how these engines go on a RR then mine will be doing that, if i could possibly be at Martins day I would go in Daves place, but im 3 months away.

Ollie.

Not the best example since its had a rebuild or 2 already.

Chip

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I very much doubt Dave and Mark has enough time today to wade through all the stupid insults thrown at them in this thread, so I figured as I know them both pretty well I would interject with some actual facts and useful info rather than it being full of entirely insults, accusations and utter bollocks.

you are very welcome to scroll past my posts or ignore them, same with Ranj's if you would rather not have any facts and just want to read the consipiracy theories from north of the border

Chip

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You are falsely accusing Dave of hiding something, he isnt hiding anything at all, he has been completely open and honest about EVERY aspect of his car.

Fucking hell people like Rainbird wont even post their SCS dyno graph on PF and yet when an MAD customer, has every single detail possible about his car posted on here, the power, the failures, the things done to repair, the tech spec, the graphs, and even his reason for not wanting to run it on the rollers cause of the gearbox, he gets told he is hiding something

Thats fucking ridiculous, it really is!

RANJ

1 headgasket on turkish block (all i could get at the time) hardly end of the world.
im sure mark knows what he is doing, just look at rods engine

Rod-Tarry

Hi.
You are personally invited to view my engine on a RR same Spec as Dave with bigger Turbo & race fuel, if you wish personally to see this happen to stop you starting yet another rumour then drop me a PM with contact details & i will ensure you are fed & watered during the day.
Cheers Rod

RANJ

need dann online......lol that wud tip the scales (i must grow up)

Chip

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Lol @ you being silly enough to take that it of bait

Just to correct you though before someone claims you are lieing just cause you didnt right that quite right, its had 2 failures, 1 turkish block, and 1 head gasket on race fuel.

Martin-Hadland

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I never said that Dave had to prove anything! I merely mentioned the bollocks that was spouted

Twellsie

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I really dont get why there needs to be this level of bitchyness, we have all seen what power it made on the engine dyno and yes we have all heard about how fast it is, why do people then need to see it run on the rollers to 'prove' how fast it actually is, when in real terms it bears no relevance, or is it just the fact that people want to see it 'fail' in there eyes?

I think its a real shame that this thread has turned to shite and it makes me wonder if this is partly the reason why people get fed up and leave the ford scene

RANJ

ive done my days work chip, made my quids for the day, been a while since i had banter on here (bring back dingy/matt etc etc) lol.

i stand corrected re the failures. havnt really chatted with mark/rod for moons, been busy at home and work

Chip

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Well you are mentioning it to the right person I guess, as I was certainly one of the people saying that I was interested to see if it would hold together when run flat out.
All be it nothing like the way you are making out though so I guess that must be a dig at someone other than me, I was purely wondering if it would work or not because I have an interest in such things and its an idea ive not seen tried many times before, and im really pleased its worked out so well for you so far.

Chip

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Just thought I would quote this question again in case andy has missed it in amongst all the nonsense in this thread

Andy, You still havent replied about if you are prepared to cover the gearbox going up to full boost (including a mapping session on a dyno dynamics rolling road local to dave before the event) or not?


I reckon if you are, then we are all arguing about nothing as I think the car WILL be there if that is the case, as I belive that both Dave and Mark are happy to run the engine full boost and are only concerned about the gearbox

rog

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What will putting a high spec. unmapped engine on a dyno prove? That's a totally ridiculous thing to say, the WHOLE POINT in doing it is to see what power it can make, who ever goes to an RR day running their car at deliberately less than optimum settings.
It's like claiming your cars 900bhp but it's "not setup". And what happens if he does it, and it doesn't make power equal to other high profile cars, people will still moan and say it wasn't up to the job anyway. TBH i think the gearbox is cheap, given the grand scheme of what has been spent on the car.

andrewg

he was questioning whether to go to the R/R day because of box failure, and i would cover that no prob,, not to be thrashed on the road after being set up on other rollers

rog

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Well I can only assume it won't be going ahead then, since the car won't be setup. Least we got a good few pages of debate out of it though!

jb fletch

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I love Dave's car & this is a real sad decision, but understandable !!

Dave, Helen, I drove a new RS today !! Hubba hubba lol Come see me or Alex, we can sort you out

This will prob be the last pic I have of "YUM" last month @ the Surrey meet !!

They both look well


jb

P.s. The car is QUICK !! Even @ 1.9 bar

andrewg

why not get mark to check it on the day?

Chip

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Thats not what im asking.

I am saying will you cover the following:

Failure on the dyno dynamics local to dave for mapping
Failure on Martins Dyno during the shootout.


NO road miles at all, if Dave chooses to put his foot down on the road between those two events, thats at his own expense.

Chip

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Because he will potentially be there for quite a while doing so and it wouldnt be fair on everyone else attending if Mark is busy mapping dave's car while they all stand about.

Also mark would probably prefer to use his own rolling road operator who he is used to working with than martin who he isnt used to working with.

If you are in any doubt, im positive Mark wont mind if you want to send someone along to make sure the car drives onto the rollers with the gearbox fine, and wether or not it drives off them with the box still fine, just in case you dont trust dave/mark to be honest with you about when a failure has occurred or not.

And im sure Dave wont mind trailering the car to and from both sets of rollers so it sees NO road miles anyway.

Im sure that Fast Ford would be happy to send someone along to cover the rolling road session if you dont have anyone who lives locally that you trust to go along and check things out for you.


Dave and Mark are two of the most honest people you could ever meet, so if they say they will only do this or only do that with "your" gearbox, then you really neednt worry.

Cossie Helen

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Yes we did think of you when we thought about the Focus RS LOL Will catch up soon, we got Olympia next month too

carlo

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Why would andy want to pay for it whilst mapping? what dave should have said is the car was never finnished so im not putting it on the rollers to make a tit of myself & mark. If it were purley due to box failure dave didnt want to run it & andy said he will pay then fair enough no big loss to dave as its andy's box if it goes..End of the day andy offered to pay for the box dave shat it because there is more to this than meets the eye! Now chip is saying andy should pay for the box for mark to do more mapping as well! Why was all the mapping never done before? You mad ppl have the cheek to slag mike rainbird about his ass dyno when you see ppl writing about it feels great at 1.9bar because up to now thats all this car has done with the new super engine

andrewg

failure at martoons,,, get up early and set it up in morning!

Cossie Helen

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How come you only EVER find your voice when Andy is about ? Christ you make me laugh....

You have not read the thread as far as I can see, more skimmed it

Anyway no idea why all the arguing about the gearbox / rolling road, it aint going on it simple as. We have nothing to hide at all, and the posionus little twats saying otherwise need to give their heads a good shake.

Rod-Tarry

Would you take my word Andrew or am i a bent southern gangster as well . You must have a reason for so badly wanting to see this on the RR
why wont mine suffice in 3 months time & save the possibility of losing money. A mags going to cover it so you & your Scottish mates can have a field day if it goes tits up. Dave is big enough & ugly enough to take all this shite, but im sure that Helen is very unhappy about it. Dave/Helen more than anybody have tried to bring rival Tuners together, Blimey if its still on i will be sitting next to Martin at a Party soon.
Dave is one of the genuine nice guys on here & he really does not deserve all this hassle he really dont.

Cossiemaster

Its quite clear from this thread that DAVE is scared from the head gasket splitting in two and not as first stated the gearbox.