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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 07:25 PM
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what have i done wrong

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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 07:30 PM
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dosent look anything wrong with the inlet ?

i reckon ur intercoolers too wide ,
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 07:31 PM
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nothing wrong m8 you have to mod the cooler to suit
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 07:31 PM
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You've assumed a modified part will just 'fit' with no problems, that's all lol. You'll need to get the intercooler cut and rewelded. Either short and straight or at an angle, and get a hose to suit.
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 07:36 PM
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why does nothing just fit?????
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 07:36 PM
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and please tell me that coolant hose wont be staying routed through the exhaust manifold lol
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only just fitted engine

the hose has to be removed as im not running a heater

just got to fine all the blue hoses needed
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its common to have o chop and angle the intercooler neck to fit the swedish plenums mate, i had to do exactly the same
the throttle body is now in a completly different place, hence the cooler neck is in the wrong place aswell lol
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you might get away with chopping the neck, and using a s2 boost hose, but they dont make one with a dv take off iirc,

i think thats the hose i used on mine, its the right size and shape to fit
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 08:01 PM
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why does nothing just fit?????
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because cossie yb wernt designed for Mk2 either
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Old Nov 11, 2009 | 09:26 PM
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because cossie yb wernt designed for Mk2 either

lol

but its fun making it fit lol
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Doesn't Roosesport make a hose for fitting these ?
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As above:
I had the end cut off the intercooler with a very short one fitted and a alloy pipe made with 2 bends in it.

Not the greatest of pics

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What power are you going for? Looks like you are on a T34? In which case you would be FAR better off with a standard 4x4 inlet!
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Hope U are planning to put a bigger turbo!!! other wise whats the point of making a bigger inlet plenum!!! Also why these plenums are ment for the ford throttle body!!!! I had to modify the plenum to suit the 70mm one! the ford one is just 55mm!!!!
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Running standard turbo and standard throttle body

I want everything in place so that once I have run the engine in
I can start adding bigger and better parts

The engine is a brand new engine out of the box
so will need to be run in

the engine it's self was a 4wd engine changed to a 2wd gated baffled sump

I have also got 3bar map sensor I'm waiting for
I have fitted rs500 60 intercooler
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Hi mate, what sort of power are you going for?
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380 to 400???
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getting the hump now
as you can see from the pic i have fitted the plenum and the hose but i have two problems now.

1 i get a plenum throttle cable mount of ebay.i can though wednesday iwant out happy as pig in shit and dont fit.ie it hits the sillicon hose (fxxker)

now im 100% sure there is notthing wrong with the mount as if the pipe was on a sierra or escort it would be fine? but its not .

2 where do i fit me dump valve as at the moment i cant fit it to the hose as it will sit in line with the throttle cable??

help now guys
1 i twist the throttle body around untill the throttle cable sits on the left not the right ?
this will do two thing let me fit the cable mount and cable and also allow mo fit the dump valve into the hose???

but will i habe any problems running the throttle body that way?????


also with the dump valve i could weld the mount onto the front of the intercooler so it would be out of the way.

this would sit behind the front right hand spotlight??

what do you guys think

need to get this sorted this build has taken to long
i gave my self 6mouths to build it and i am runn out of time

thanks guys


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So long as the throttle linkage still moves so you an achieve WOT then you'll be able to rotate it any way you like, and dont bother with a DV they're gay
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Old Nov 19, 2009 | 08:21 AM
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Lol

Have a started the dump valve is gay thing off again lol
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Simply rotate the throttle body on its mounting, so the cable/linkage is on the top

FYI, the genuine swedish plenum comes with an adaptor plate, which converts the throttle linkage, this makes the cable enter from the rear of the plenum, rather than the front which is much much neater, and it gets rid of the mechanical linkage on the throttle body, so the pedal feels much lighter and smoother

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managed to dig out my dummy build pics, maybe you could make a setup like these



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i managed to cram a dump valve on mine aswell,

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Originally Posted by James @ M Developments
Simply rotate the throttle body on its mounting, so the cable/linkage is on the top

FYI, the genuine swedish plenum comes with an adaptor plate, which converts the throttle linkage, this makes the cable enter from the rear of the plenum, rather than the front which is much much neater, and it gets rid of the mechanical linkage on the throttle body, so the pedal feels much lighter and smoother
James, I expect you are a reasonably clever chap and I'm sure if you think about you will realise why removing the mechanical linkage is not a good idea.
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i also know how bad it is to have a cable poorly fitted into a bracket that isnt up to the job (ive had two types that actually fouled the linkage!), and makes the cable foul the front cross member,

i had no issues at all with my set up, it also removes the cable from the turbo area, so it doesnt melt

i dont see that removing a bent, worn, seized, rusty linkage is a bad thing in the grand scale of things

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Originally Posted by James @ M Developments
i dont see that removing a bent, worn, seized, rusty linkage is a bad thing in the grand scale of things
Surely at MSD if you come across a part on a car that does an important job and it is in poor shape you would replace it or recondition it rather than simply remove it and make do without?

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i also know how bad it is to have a cable poorly fitted into a bracket that isnt up to the job (ive had two types that actually fouled the linkage!), and makes the cable foul the front cross member,
You are right. But would you not agree that if the bracket was up to the job (as some are) it would be wiser to keep the throttle linkage as it performs an important job?

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i wouldnt do anything without the customers go ahead

it depends on the application as to which is best for the job in hand imo, you may argue the std plenum also does its job better lol

if they get properly live mapped as they should be im sure there would be no issues at all, i certainly never had any, and wouldnt advise other people use it if i had

i can see your point though

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James, i don't think you get the point of the throttle linkage? In my opinion it is even more important when you have upgraded the performance of your cossie.

Unless you have a mappable fly by wire throttle you will not be able to compensate for removing in the mapping a great deal.

The throttle linkage opens your throttle plate in a non linear fasion giving you greater resolution at small throttle positions. A very important thing if you are trying to drive a tuned cosworth anywhere near the edge.

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[quote=Garage19;4524304]James, i don't think you get the point of the throttle linkage? In my opinion it is even more important when you have upgraded the performance of your cossie.

Unless you have a mappable fly by wire throttle you will not be able to compensate for removing in the mapping a great deal.

The throttle linkage opens your throttle plate in a non linear fasion giving you greater resolution at small throttle positions. A very important thing if you are trying to drive a tuned cosworth anywhere near the edge.[/quote]


iirc doug , james car never made it anywhere near the edge lol ,


but i do get what your saying in this situation ,



sorry james coundnt resisit



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Originally Posted by fostersice
getting the hump now
as you can see from the pic i have fitted the plenum and the hose but i have two problems now.

1 i get a plenum throttle cable mount of ebay.i can though wednesday iwant out happy as pig in shit and dont fit.ie it hits the sillicon hose (fxxker)

now im 100% sure there is notthing wrong with the mount as if the pipe was on a sierra or escort it would be fine? but its not .

2 where do i fit me dump valve as at the moment i cant fit it to the hose as it will sit in line with the throttle cable??

help now guys
1 i twist the throttle body around untill the throttle cable sits on the left not the right ?
this will do two thing let me fit the cable mount and cable and also allow mo fit the dump valve into the hose???

but will i habe any problems running the throttle body that way?????


also with the dump valve i could weld the mount onto the front of the intercooler so it would be out of the way.

this would sit behind the front right hand spotlight??

what do you guys think

need to get this sorted this build has taken to long
i gave my self 6mouths to build it and i am runn out of time

thanks guys


What hose did you use to connect the TB with the IC? It looks like a good solution and I'm interested about it.
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[QUOTE=-beefy-;4524438]
Originally Posted by Garage19
James, i don't think you get the point of the throttle linkage? In my opinion it is even more important when you have upgraded the performance of your cossie.

Unless you have a mappable fly by wire throttle you will not be able to compensate for removing in the mapping a great deal.

The throttle linkage opens your throttle plate in a non linear fasion giving you greater resolution at small throttle positions. A very important thing if you are trying to drive a tuned cosworth anywhere near the edge.[/quote]


iirc doug , james car never made it anywhere near the edge lol ,


but i do get what your saying in this situation ,



sorry james coundnt resisit



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find me a t34.48 motor that made better power and torque, whilst covering 75k miles in 3 years then



and then speak to a couple of guys who drove my T4 motor, will being one of them

the failure was no fault of mine, and im sure the car would have shocked a few people
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Originally Posted by Roosie
because cossie yb wernt designed for Mk2 either
Saved me saying it.
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Easy one that mate - just turn the throttle body upside down (so the iscv is on the bottom). Looks much neater that way too.
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mate what on earth is that thing inbertween your inlet manifold and your intercooler dose it play tunes lol
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It's the biggest loudest chav valve I could fine.Lol
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