steven gerrad then, guilty of innocent?
22-07-2009, 01:45 PM
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steven gerrad then, guilty of innocent?
if, and it's a fairly clear "if", he is the guy in the video giving it fisticuffs to that fella his mate twated in the face, he should get banged up for a few months at least
after that, booted from the club, not suitable roll model for kids, etc
you could imagine what the other fella would get if he'd done bust up young sweet innocent stevie like that so fair's fair
on the other hand, if it was someone else who's given him the kicking then all bets are off
what gets me though is that he said it was "in self defence"
anyway, i'd like your thoughts on the matter, or links to the original post if this has been covered before
after that, booted from the club, not suitable roll model for kids, etc
you could imagine what the other fella would get if he'd done bust up young sweet innocent stevie like that so fair's fair
on the other hand, if it was someone else who's given him the kicking then all bets are off
what gets me though is that he said it was "in self defence"
anyway, i'd like your thoughts on the matter, or links to the original post if this has been covered before
22-07-2009, 01:56 PM
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It's not right he's even in that situation. Why is he out drinking in a chavvy club with his chavvy mates the night after a game...any professional sportsman would be recovering properly and having fun another day.
He should be stripped of the captaincy at least.
ps. There is no doubt he is a footballing hero and probably one of Englands finest ever players but that is not an excuse
He should be stripped of the captaincy at least.
ps. There is no doubt he is a footballing hero and probably one of Englands finest ever players but that is not an excuse
22-07-2009, 02:10 PM
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I hate how these gimps get paid millions each year, and get away with all sorts, acting no better than most neds in Glasgow
22-07-2009, 02:20 PM
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Video is inconclusive, but it looks to me as though ; ( Victim is sat down on left )
Manc DJ guy is sat down after the original argument over the music control.
Gerrard goes over and they have a heated discussion.
Gerrard is leaning over him in an intimidating way
DJ bloke stands up and they go face to face
After a few seconds Gerrards pal comes over and smashes him with an elbow
Gerrard then gives him 3 uppercuts.
That what i 'think' i can tell from the video, but could i be 100% sure its him, with all thats resting on it?....no.
As a Liverpool fan im a little worried by it, to me it looks unprovoked...and certainly seems like a genuine case of affray.
He has pleaded not guilty, and i think he will get away with it purely on the basis of the tape being poor quality, and the guys testimony changing throughout (because he wasn't sure who did what).
From a footballing point of view i obviously want him to get away with it though!
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22-07-2009, 02:24 PM
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He's an average scouse lad through an' through, that doesn't necessarily make him a chav. He just happens to be one of, if not the most gifted players in this country at the mo.
Let's face it, a lot of people on here will have given someone a bit of a dab in a club or pub for acting like a cock. Are we role models, if it's caught on poor quality grainy CCTV.!?!?!?
The statement said the other bloke took offence when Stevie said ''(scouse accent) ere lad, hand over the card ere lad'' and he didn't like being called lad. Uhhhhhhh hello, most common scouse dialect going, and I'm a Scot living in the South West FFS.!!!
I just can't work out why it's got to court. He'll ( Steve G ) have the best of legal people, the ''victim'' ( remember this could have been the intention ) will get a considerable bung to shut up and fuck off back to normal.... probably Ł50k to the good.
Baiting a celeb in a bar in front of a camera, not difficult is it.?
Let's face it, a lot of people on here will have given someone a bit of a dab in a club or pub for acting like a cock. Are we role models, if it's caught on poor quality grainy CCTV.!?!?!?
The statement said the other bloke took offence when Stevie said ''(scouse accent) ere lad, hand over the card ere lad'' and he didn't like being called lad. Uhhhhhhh hello, most common scouse dialect going, and I'm a Scot living in the South West FFS.!!!
I just can't work out why it's got to court. He'll ( Steve G ) have the best of legal people, the ''victim'' ( remember this could have been the intention ) will get a considerable bung to shut up and fuck off back to normal.... probably Ł50k to the good.
Baiting a celeb in a bar in front of a camera, not difficult is it.?
22-07-2009, 02:27 PM
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assuming it's gerro who's in the picture and not someone else
22-07-2009, 02:37 PM
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Before people get on there high horses about this, just think back to any time you have been out on the lash and done something you regret, imagine someone showing CCTV footage to you the following day....i bet you'd be pretty surprised at how you acted!
I know i've done tonnes of stuff im not proud of, and much worse than whats shown in that video to be fair, sometimes its easy to lose control when your pissed!
I know i've done tonnes of stuff im not proud of, and much worse than whats shown in that video to be fair, sometimes its easy to lose control when your pissed!
22-07-2009, 02:38 PM
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the bloke who did the elbowing.. is that the same person from behind the bar that looks over then walks round out of camera view.. ?
Either way, it's all bollox in my opinion. Innocent until proven guilty.
Either way, it's all bollox in my opinion. Innocent until proven guilty.
22-07-2009, 02:42 PM
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Club Captains are yes. They attend lots of events and do lots with Kids and charities etc. Club PR is massive these days.
If I was paid Ł100k a week i'm pretty sure I could keep my nose clean
If he had half a brain he wouldnt have even been there, thus limiting the chances of a situation like that even happening.
He's a very silly boy
If I was paid Ł100k a week i'm pretty sure I could keep my nose clean
If he had half a brain he wouldnt have even been there, thus limiting the chances of a situation like that even happening.
He's a very silly boy
22-07-2009, 02:46 PM
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Club Captains are yes. They attend lots of events and do lots with Kids and charities etc. Club PR is massive these days.
If I was paid Ł100k a week i'm pretty sure I could keep my nose clean
If he had half a brain he wouldnt have even been there, thus limiting the chances of a situation like that even happening.
He's a very silly boy
If I was paid Ł100k a week i'm pretty sure I could keep my nose clean
If he had half a brain he wouldnt have even been there, thus limiting the chances of a situation like that even happening.
He's a very silly boy
On this occasion it's gone wrong, but i wouldnt say Gerrard is the type of person who goes out that regularly.
Can't condone what happened at all, but these people are still human, and still like the odd beer!
22-07-2009, 03:02 PM
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22-07-2009, 03:28 PM
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22-07-2009, 03:36 PM
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Any fucker with money will get away with breaking the law, because they can afford very good solicitors, I'd doubt very much if he even gets fined.
If you move to the US you could even get away with a double murder like OJ if you can afford it.
Evertime a footballer is up in court for doing a zillion miles an hour past a school, they only get banned for like a month, you or I would get royally fisted for a similar offence.
If you move to the US you could even get away with a double murder like OJ if you can afford it.
Evertime a footballer is up in court for doing a zillion miles an hour past a school, they only get banned for like a month, you or I would get royally fisted for a similar offence.
22-07-2009, 05:35 PM
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It's not right he's even in that situation. Why is he out drinking in a chavvy club with his chavvy mates the night after a game...any professional sportsman would be recovering properly and having fun another day.
He should be stripped of the captaincy at least.
ps. There is no doubt he is a footballing hero and probably one of Englands finest ever players but that is not an excuse
He should be stripped of the captaincy at least.
ps. There is no doubt he is a footballing hero and probably one of Englands finest ever players but that is not an excuse
totally agree with you but that could be because i dont drink myself or like others drinking, i think its a waste of money and time!
gone down a little in my estimation, still like him but didnt like the footage seeing our club captain and my fav player drinking getting pissed the same day of the newcastle game
forgot to add having seen the full footage the elbow defo isnt him thats someone else but the guy who does the three uppercuts i am really unsure of as you canot make out who it was, gerrard wearing a greeny/bluey jumper with collars of a shirt sticking out at the top but the guy who's giving the upper cuts looks like he got no jumper i.e just a white shirt!
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22-07-2009, 07:21 PM
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Club Captains are yes. They attend lots of events and do lots with Kids and charities etc. Club PR is massive these days.
If I was paid Ł100k a week i'm pretty sure I could keep my nose clean
If he had half a brain he wouldnt have even been there, thus limiting the chances of a situation like that even happening.
He's a very silly boy
If I was paid Ł100k a week i'm pretty sure I could keep my nose clean
If he had half a brain he wouldnt have even been there, thus limiting the chances of a situation like that even happening.
He's a very silly boy
what about your countrys captai then mate old JT was caught pissing on the dance floor in a club and still got the captains armband for club and country
and i think stevie g will get away with it and i can't say am not happy about it been a liverpool fan
22-07-2009, 07:27 PM
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Affray carries a maximum 5 year jail sentence as far as I can remember as one of my mates got charged with it after a tear up in a local chinese on a saturday night..
22-07-2009, 07:29 PM
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but when was the last time you heard of anyone getting a maximum sentence? or indeed getting jailed for such an offence ? that will happen in every nightclub in every town every weekend. its a minor scuffle and likely only actually came to court because of whom it involves.
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22-07-2009, 07:30 PM
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i'd love to be in charge 
I also feel the same about JT as SG if that makes you feel happier.
22-07-2009, 07:37 PM
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but when was the last time you heard of anyone getting a maximum sentence? or indeed getting jailed for such an offence ? that will happen in every nightclub in every town every weekend. its a minor scuffle and likely only actually came to court because of whom it involves.
22-07-2009, 07:39 PM
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i think he probably did beat the shit out of him but i dont think he was swinging uppercuts like a pro boxer.lolll with no gloves on and uppercuts that powerful would have damaged him really bad i reckon the beaten man wants a wedge of cash imo anyway.
22-07-2009, 07:40 PM
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i got a Ł150 compensation order for knocking fook out of a cyclist after he tried to attack me through my van window. left him star shaped on the pavement. didnt even have to go to court and no criminal record with the compensation payable at Ł5 per week. worth every penny
22-07-2009, 07:40 PM
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based on the evidence (i.e. video footage) you cannot say he is guilty.
based on testimony it depends how good each lawyer is at getting the witness to slip up.
It could go either way...."Victim" may just be wanting a bit of a payout for something Gerrard may have done...Gerrard could have been a very naughty boy. We'll never know 100% what happened.
based on testimony it depends how good each lawyer is at getting the witness to slip up.
It could go either way...."Victim" may just be wanting a bit of a payout for something Gerrard may have done...Gerrard could have been a very naughty boy. We'll never know 100% what happened.
22-07-2009, 07:41 PM
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i think its different up here, the accuser can press charges down south rather than the cps deciding whether to persue or not with the victim having no say in the matter other than having to give evidence if nessesary?
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