Steven_RW

FullyB

"fast car" is just a statement of perspective, so pointless arguing over. Whatever one person thinks is fast, another person will think is slow, right up to something like martin's escort or rods car. Compared to crazy american supras doing the standing mile at 240mph, they are reasonably slow. So that argument is pointless.

As for whether a 325 e36 can beat a std cossie, frankly who cares. I have driven an e36 325 and it was okay performance wise, nothing special and usually when an NA car with the same bhp as a turbo car, race, as long as the turbo car doesn't have loads of lag, the turbo car usually is faster, mainly because the torque curve has that much more area underneath it.

A saph cossie doesn't handle that well, as most "std" suspension ones have ancient tired crap suspension. An E36 is better balanced, that is quite clear. I would be interested in the kerb weights of both.

Pointless debate all round though. One thing is for sure. A 360bhp 2wd saph cossie, once rolling will utterly munch a 325i. It would utterly munch my e46 M3 until the real upper reaches of the speedo range (read beyond 150, prob 160) and if that is the case a boggo 325i would be so far out the back it would be like they were not both taking part in the same race.

What you need to understand, (and I am pretty sure you already do) is that by coming on a site and being purely argumentative, even if you are mostly right, you just come across as a total nob.

If you were on 500 useful posts and then spouted 40 of argumentative crap, people might be interested to hear it, whereas your kudos is negative before you even started acting like a twat on here, so it isn't looking very good for u.

RW

fullyboosted175

yeah because you are so very right

RWD_cossie_wil

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At last we are getting somwhere

fullyboosted175

lol ok

fullyboosted175

ok i'll try to play nice

imnoteasy

tvr tuscun for around 10k, not much will keep up with it, when its not broke

Mike1

Steven

According to the Autocar road tests they weighed the 2wd Sapphire in at 1206kg
On the 325i road test it weighed in at 1340kg from what I remember ( haven't got road test to hand at the moment but will check later ). As you will appreciate though, BMWs even from that era had far more optional equipment than the Sapphire 2wd and the inclusion of aircon would bump that up quite a bit. From memory the early 325i they tested was quite basic spec even for a press car.

As you point out, the Sierra will be far torquier. The iron block 325i liked to rev and wasn't as torquey as the later all-alloy 328i engine.

Just for interest my 2wd Sapphire weighed at 1220kg on the local weighbridge ( accurate to +/- 20kg ). My 328i with climate control weighed in at 1420kg.

BMW make a big thing of their 50/50 front/rear weight distribution......according to the road test the Sapphire was 51.2%/48.8% front/rear

Like you say though in terms of handling the E36 rear set-up is a lot better than the Sapphire one. Better control of camber and toe under squat.
In a straight line fight though the Sapphire gets to 100 in under 16 seconds, the BMW takes 19 - that's from the timing slips.

pee vee

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pani_k

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3 Sundays ago at the Pod when I went...

-My focus 1.8 running RR'd 145bhp, 127ft.lbs of torque: 16.5 sec qtr
-Mate's 328i running "approx" 230bhp (has Simota induction, AC Schnitzer box and remapped): 14.9 sec qtr
-Mate's E36 M3 Evo standard: 14.1 sec and he said himself he is a shit driver and is confident it could be done quicker.

Any Stage 3 Saff quarters around?

pee vee

a GOOD stage 3 saff Can be in the 12s.

xr2i-carl

Mate you shoud rinse a 325....

Sure your cossie aint standard.

xr2i-carl

E36 M3's saturday were running low 14's, one guy i spoke to banged out a 13,8 best that day so it can be done, seen a few over the years in the high 13's

Staffi

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Fook this threads boring now............

cossiebags

trevorcossie took his cosworth 2 sanspeed 2day and its running good but its running 280bhp they sed the reason is somewhere down the line the turbo has been changed back to a t3 they said put a t34 or t4 in it and it will see 380+bhp

LHD220Turbo

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that might go a little way to explaining the difference but even a 280hp saff would thrash a 325

cossiebags

yh have you got a t34-4 for sale

lozi

My old saph running standard power used to pull on my mates 325 there wasnt alot in it but my car had the edge.

wind up thread

dom123

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this is a stupid topic!!! your car has issues!! you will shit your self when it goes on boost with that much power compared with a st170.

a 2wd drive saph is rapid i would give that bmw your talking about a quarter mile head start and you would still catch it by half mile or before..

you have a boost leak or a slipping clutch.

dom123

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just seen the turbo thread!! get a nice t34 mate

ronf42

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About 10 years ago I had a stage 1 Saff, I had a small blast through a couple of gears with a 325i and pulled on him.

cossieDavedree

what a shite thread, ohh its a t3 now not a t34,

My 3 door uses a t3 and managed to pull 320bhp and 333 lb torque,,

tansey

pm me if genuinly intersted

XRT_si

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My first Cossie was RWD and came with graphs from 370-395bhp. It was quick, and VERY fast on an open stretch (80+) but round town or through back roads it would get cained by my old Fiesta Zetec Turbo, or my mates Mini Cooper S.

Perhaps driver error/condtions/roads played a part.

cossiebags

well trevs never shit himself in his dads lotus carlton

RS Grant

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Supercharged S2000 for c10k... buy the car for c6k, then get a Rotrex Conversion carried out at TTS for c4k, you'll have a pretty capable car that still looks pretty good and wont have too much trouble with most things on the road.


Cheers,
Grant

Psycho Warren

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To be fair to the lad, id prefer the rolls royce Olympus 22R Mk.320 as fitted to the TSR2 which generated 30,610 lb/ft thrust which pisses all over a crappy LS1/LS2

trevorcossie

well said always a legend

Psycho Warren

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I notice the school boy has fucked off since we started giving him abuse

fullyboosted175

nope still hear stalker boy!

next your be asking me for pic's of me to pm you, sorry fella your just not my type, but i'll really flattered anyway

right by making a statement like ls1/2 engines are shit etc etc, just shows how little you really know and just makes you look dumb by calling an engine capable of doing over 1500bhp shit and it doesn't just came down to cc either

also were in any of my posts did i say that the yb engine was shit... no where, because i'm well aware of how good it is, but calling it great etc etc come on, it would never make top 25 of all time motor engines, maybe top 75

saying about 1 car that does 0-60 in sec in 6 with a mega 12 ponies extra & the the other in 7 with a slight weight disadvantage, that's well driven, is not within the realms of fantasy of making this a drivers race and yes even in a straight line

but what's certainly not in question is a stage 3 sapph beaten a 325i compact, even if 1 was driven by lewis hamilton and 1 was driven my this mum

anyways that all i have to say on this

peace out

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D700 OMB

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The mong is back!!
Not to worry he'll be off for his mid morning nap shortly.

foreigneRS

how much do you think?

as for ls1/2 being a 'better' engine than a YB, since when was a single cam and pushrods the latest technology?

i like fullyboosted's argument of 'if it was well driven' as if he is some sort of superhero driver that can beat the laws of physics with his god like driving talent

Alan_D

Exactly. The point I was making was that the Sapphire would be quicker at the hands of the same talented driver. His arguement is pointless.

Psycho Warren

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If youd read the reply i made (which was sarcastic - youll learn what sarcasm is when you grow older) I was calling a ls1/2 engine shit compared to a rolls royce Olympus 22R Mk.320. 1500bhp versus 30610lbft of thrust/torque says it all!!