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the statement below as I read
0-60 in 5.7 on a 4wd turbo car is not fast fact!
my question is, where is your source to prove the above statement
Why did ford stop making Cosworths
Personaly I do not know without research.
So, after a quick google I found this
http://www.wrc-cosworth.org/dv/history/history.html
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The new Escort RS Cosworth was produced until early in 1996 when EU put a new set of noise regulations for cars to work, and the Escort Cosworth couldn't pass those without modifications. For some reason Ford then decided to stop the production instead of changing the car so it would be within the new noise regulations. And that was the end to the Escort RS Cosworth. The last car rolled out of the factory on the 12th of January 1996. Then 7.145 Escort Cosworths had been produced
0-60 in 5.7 on a 4wd turbo car is not fast fact!
my question is, where is your source to prove the above statement
Why did ford stop making Cosworths
Personaly I do not know without research.
So, after a quick google I found this
http://www.wrc-cosworth.org/dv/history/history.html
to quote from this page
The new Escort RS Cosworth was produced until early in 1996 when EU put a new set of noise regulations for cars to work, and the Escort Cosworth couldn't pass those without modifications. For some reason Ford then decided to stop the production instead of changing the car so it would be within the new noise regulations. And that was the end to the Escort RS Cosworth. The last car rolled out of the factory on the 12th of January 1996. Then 7.145 Escort Cosworths had been produced
but just to give you another example toyota no longer makes any performance cars in their range, why is this simple because their is ever no market for them or someone is making them type of cars cheaper and better etc, the was the case for the cossie
19-04-2009, 10:04 PM
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standard cossies are slow in any model period..., a 325 e36 or e46 would see off a standard sapph maybe just!, but it wouldn't be a rocket ship either like a lot of people seem to think, but yeah as everyone else is saying with that sort of power you should be living it well behind, or there is something really wrong with your car, or the graphs are wrong/fake, does the car look highly modded as you don't say wants been done.
for under 10k there are loads out their, rx7, 300zx (well cheap, but a pig to work on), supra tt, skyline r33/r34, evo's etc just to name a few, cossies aren't what you should be looking at if you what to go fast! unless you have very deep pockets
for under 10k there are loads out their, rx7, 300zx (well cheap, but a pig to work on), supra tt, skyline r33/r34, evo's etc just to name a few, cossies aren't what you should be looking at if you what to go fast! unless you have very deep pockets
they dont cost that much to tune , you just need someone who knows what there doing under the bonnett and not some crap back street garage !!
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No we were talking straight line performance if you remember.
I quoted my sources....official timed road tests from Autocar magazine that use Correvit/Datron timing gear
Just to repeat
Autocar 17/2/88 issue
Sapphire Cosworth 2wd
0-60 5.8
0-100 15.8
Autocar test of an E36 325i 29/4/92
0-60 7.2
0-100 19.2
I said earlier on that newer cars had more sophisticated suspension systems and more mechanical grip from wider tyres...............but in terms of straight line performance a Sapphire 2wd accelerates faster than an E36 325i ......
I quoted my sources....official timed road tests from Autocar magazine that use Correvit/Datron timing gear
Just to repeat
Autocar 17/2/88 issue
Sapphire Cosworth 2wd
0-60 5.8
0-100 15.8
Autocar test of an E36 325i 29/4/92
0-60 7.2
0-100 19.2
I said earlier on that newer cars had more sophisticated suspension systems and more mechanical grip from wider tyres...............but in terms of straight line performance a Sapphire 2wd accelerates faster than an E36 325i ......
19-04-2009, 10:12 PM
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So you think the Jap cars are cheap to maintain and modify?
An R33/34 Skyline or an RX7 has astronomical running costs compared to a Cosworth! Are you wired up right?
Infact every car you have listed there would cost more to run than any Cosworth ever made, except the Evo.
An R33/34 Skyline or an RX7 has astronomical running costs compared to a Cosworth! Are you wired up right?
Infact every car you have listed there would cost more to run than any Cosworth ever made, except the Evo.
19-04-2009, 10:15 PM
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And another point you made in the quote I was referring to was that a 325 would see off a standard Cossie? Well that's it established then: you're talking complete mince.
19-04-2009, 10:16 PM
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if you think this is why ford stopped making cosworths then you belive that
but just to give you another example toyota no longer makes any performance cars in their range, why is this simple because their is ever no market for them or someone is making them type of cars cheaper and better etc, the was the case for the cossie
but just to give you another example toyota no longer makes any performance cars in their range, why is this simple because their is ever no market for them or someone is making them type of cars cheaper and better etc, the was the case for the cossie
why has Ford released a new Focus RS when you can buy a better perfoming car cheaper then?
19-04-2009, 10:16 PM
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also getting time slips from the stripas i said earlier you belive everything you read
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So you think the Jap cars are cheap to maintain and modify?
An R33/34 Skyline or an RX7 has astronomical running costs compared to a Cosworth! Are you wired up right?
Infact every car you have listed there would cost more to run than any Cosworth ever made, except the Evo.
An R33/34 Skyline or an RX7 has astronomical running costs compared to a Cosworth! Are you wired up right?
Infact every car you have listed there would cost more to run than any Cosworth ever made, except the Evo.
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19-04-2009, 10:25 PM
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standard cossies are slow in any model period..., a 325 e36 or e46 would see off a standard sapph maybe just!, but it wouldn't be a rocket ship either like a lot of people seem to think, but yeah as everyone else is saying with that sort of power you should be living it well behind, or there is something really wrong with your car, or the graphs are wrong/fake, does the car look highly modded as you don't say wants been done.
for under 10k there are loads out their, rx7, 300zx (well cheap, but a pig to work on), supra tt, skyline r33/r34, evo's etc just to name a few, cossies aren't what you should be looking at if you what to go fast! unless you have very deep pockets
for under 10k there are loads out their, rx7, 300zx (well cheap, but a pig to work on), supra tt, skyline r33/r34, evo's etc just to name a few, cossies aren't what you should be looking at if you what to go fast! unless you have very deep pockets
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Another cock..... It's ok school holidays are over soon, your mum will be putting you to bed and taking your playstation off you ...
Obviously we will ignore the fact that you are just here to cause trouble, the Cosworth was the KING of the 80's and 90's, it is simple as that. And I don't care if an Evo 4 is 0.0005 of a second quicker up the strip, or costs Ł2.58 less to tune to 400BHP, I have an Escort Cosworth which will ALWAYS be a legend, where will an Evo 4 be in 10 years time??? Probably on the shelves of Tesco's with pedigree chum in it!
Go away, you are boring!
...Obviously we will ignore the fact that you are just here to cause trouble, the Cosworth was the KING of the 80's and 90's, it is simple as that. And I don't care if an Evo 4 is 0.0005 of a second quicker up the strip, or costs Ł2.58 less to tune to 400BHP, I have an Escort Cosworth which will ALWAYS be a legend, where will an Evo 4 be in 10 years time??? Probably on the shelves of Tesco's with pedigree chum in it!
Go away, you are boring!
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Another cock..... It's ok school holidays are over soon, your mum will be putting you to bed and taking your playstation off you ...
Obviously we will ignore the fact that you are just here to cause trouble, the Cosworth was the KING of the 80's and 90's, it is simple as that. And I don't care if an Evo 4 is 0.0005 of a second quicker up the strip, or costs Ł2.58 less to tune to 400BHP, I have an Escort Cosworth which will ALWAYS be a legend, where will an Evo 4 be in 10 years time??? Probably on the shelves of Tesco's with pedigree chum in it!
Go away, you are boring!
...Obviously we will ignore the fact that you are just here to cause trouble, the Cosworth was the KING of the 80's and 90's, it is simple as that. And I don't care if an Evo 4 is 0.0005 of a second quicker up the strip, or costs Ł2.58 less to tune to 400BHP, I have an Escort Cosworth which will ALWAYS be a legend, where will an Evo 4 be in 10 years time??? Probably on the shelves of Tesco's with pedigree chum in it!
Go away, you are boring!
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Another cock..... It's ok school holidays are over soon, your mum will be putting you to bed and taking your playstation off you ...
Obviously we will ignore the fact that you are just here to cause trouble, the Cosworth was the KING of the 80's and 90's, it is simple as that. And I don't care if an Evo 4 is 0.0005 of a second quicker up the strip, or costs Ł2.58 less to tune to 400BHP, I have an Escort Cosworth which will ALWAYS be a legend, where will an Evo 4 be in 10 years time??? Probably on the shelves of Tesco's with pedigree chum in it!
Go away, you are boring!
...Obviously we will ignore the fact that you are just here to cause trouble, the Cosworth was the KING of the 80's and 90's, it is simple as that. And I don't care if an Evo 4 is 0.0005 of a second quicker up the strip, or costs Ł2.58 less to tune to 400BHP, I have an Escort Cosworth which will ALWAYS be a legend, where will an Evo 4 be in 10 years time??? Probably on the shelves of Tesco's with pedigree chum in it!
Go away, you are boring!
19-04-2009, 10:44 PM
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I've seen them put a 911 Turbo through the paces at Millbrook and I'd say they are fairly handy in getting the best out the cars,.....certainly better than I am or the majority of people bringing their road cars to Santa Pod.
They don't have to pay for them if they break them either
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You are sooooooo wrong it is funny, 
, when the 3 door/ sapphire were new there was NOTHING on the road this side of a Lotus Carlton or mega money super car that could touch them. And that was before a simple stage 1 or 3 conversion took them upto 270BHP and 320BHP respectivley for under Ł500 ... And is why the YB engine is STILL a huge force in motorsport today....
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No idea what I'm on about?
Let me make this as clear as I can for you...
2WD Sapphire Cosworth does 0-60 in Circa 6 seconds.
BMW 325 Coupe does 0-60 in circa 7 seconds.
Both handle well.
From that information, which car do you believe will win in a race?
Let me make this as clear as I can for you...
2WD Sapphire Cosworth does 0-60 in Circa 6 seconds.
BMW 325 Coupe does 0-60 in circa 7 seconds.
Both handle well.
From that information, which car do you believe will win in a race?
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You are sooooooo wrong it is funny, , when the 3 door/ sapphire were new there was NOTHING on the road this side of a Lotus Carlton or mega money super car that could touch them. And that was before a simple stage 1 or 3 conversion took them upto 270BHP and 320BHP respectivley for under Ł500 ... And is why the YB engine is STILL a huge force in motorsport today....
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How about taking your head out of your arse, and reading what you write? You are comparing a 1986 4 cylinder motor to a late 90's 5.7 v8 .....In that case, I would say a Rolls Royce RB199 is a FAR better engine than a crappy ls1/2
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19-04-2009, 11:03 PM
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If you look back, we were trying to point out that most people ( even car enthusiasts unless you come from a Veyron owners' site ) would regard a car that does 60 from rest in 5.8ish seconds as 'fast'.....even by today's standards.
Obviously cars such as 911 Turbos, Gt2s, Veyron, GT-r that do it in under 4 are 'extremely fast' ..............but not many people on here see those everyday
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It is like trying to compare Rocky Marciano to Mike Tyson!
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Another cock..... It's ok school holidays are over soon, your mum will be putting you to bed and taking your playstation off you ...
Obviously we will ignore the fact that you are just here to cause trouble, the Cosworth was the KING of the 80's and 90's, it is simple as that. And I don't care if an Evo 4 is 0.0005 of a second quicker up the strip, or costs Ł2.58 less to tune to 400BHP, I have an Escort Cosworth which will ALWAYS be a legend, where will an Evo 4 be in 10 years time??? Probably on the shelves of Tesco's with pedigree chum in it!
Go away, you are boring!
...Obviously we will ignore the fact that you are just here to cause trouble, the Cosworth was the KING of the 80's and 90's, it is simple as that. And I don't care if an Evo 4 is 0.0005 of a second quicker up the strip, or costs Ł2.58 less to tune to 400BHP, I have an Escort Cosworth which will ALWAYS be a legend, where will an Evo 4 be in 10 years time??? Probably on the shelves of Tesco's with pedigree chum in it!
Go away, you are boring!
A 325i compact beat a cozzy i dont think so. YES ok i have drove bmws and fords, and i like the drive of a bmw more. Yes the bmw will be nippy but beat a cozzy i dont think so.
FACTS
COZZY- TURBO, 4x4, NO CATS ON EARLY TYPES. MOST HAVE BEEN TUNED UP
BMW- DRIVES NICE, 2.5 engine but CATS,LOADS OF RESTRICTIONS ON THEM.OH AND A COMPACT IT A COUPE THAT HAS LOST ITS REAR END AND THE OWNER CANT AFFORD TO PUT IT BACK ON
AFTER 35 YEARS IN THE MOTER TRADE CANT WAIT TO TELL MY BOSS TMW.
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No, lets refer to your original statement that the YB is a worse engine than a LS1/2 . YOU are the one making yourself look like an idiot by making stupid statements that bear no resemblance to the real world. You are comparing 15/20 year old cars to modern performance cars.... How about learning some facts, realizing that time and technology move on, and for it's time the Cosworth (in all 6 models) was a true family man supercar!...
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You are missing the point again..... even a T3 turbo stage 3 cossie will give 95% of stuff a run for it's money... How many cars come fitted with an LS1/2 as standard, oh that will be a Corvette or a monaro ..
I give up, and award you retard of the month
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