Kaliber Cosworth

This is what is in my car does anybody recognise what make it is?Was it similar to the actual touring cars as it was kaliber fitted apparently,you have a dial on the dash to dial in how much you want it to work?Any info appreciated.

Kaliber Cosworth

now the dyno thread has gone maybe other users topics might get a look in

Maria.

good luck!

Turbosystems

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what would you like to know pm would probably be best in light of the recent problems on pf
infact it would probably be far quicker for me if you rang me 01782 564222

Kaliber Cosworth

pm sent to mike rainbird first so you can then correct him tony

Maria.

people are still entitled to their own opinions on here tony, and id hate for peole not to discuss things openly on here, its only when it gets silly and repetitive that i feel its uneccessary.

Kaliber Cosworth

maria i also thinks its best he replies on here

Turbosystems

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Maria in light of mr rainbirds current mood I feel it best that I don't post any technical answers,if only my ignore button would work

dunketh

Whats with all the cloak and dagger stuff?

I dont own the car myself but I'd be interested in how it works.
I cant imagine how they've added adjustable traction control to something thats totally mechanical and reasonably low tech.
There must be some other electronics/servors/stepper motors/etc.. involced somewhere...??

Turbosystems

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The problem as I see it is that Mike gets the last say as he can post when a thread is locked
perhaps mike would be so kind as to answer this technical query and i promise not to correct it

Turbosystems

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no there isn't

dunketh

Turbosystems

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I have offered to explain by phone but kaliber thinks I dislike him but I have no idea who he is.
It would be far quicker for me to explain by phone

Rod-Tarry

Oh !! yes there is.

sorry Tony could not resist it.

Tony tell us how this works cos I for one would like to know, remember only you & I were born when this was high Tec.

GUZZLER

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i reckon you just want to talk 'dirty' to him


just post it here

Kaliber Cosworth

can we just drop the mike rainbird thing? Tony you seem to be not wanting to reply as a protest against mike which is naff all to do with any of us.With all the replies you have done on this thread you could have breifly explained how it works!

philram

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if i remember rightly its a racelogic system.. probably wrong though

CossieRich

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Tony,

dont divorce yourself from reality mate. If Mike has a problem leave him to it.

This thread seems interesting, so your technical input is required like 10 posts ago

XRT_si

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Id be interested to know how this works too!

Maria.

Tony just spit it out... and no i dont mean your dummy.

Turbosystems

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I agree with the above
maria I have no dummy to spit out mike has it

Nash

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Does it work off the brakes Tony? Using sensors to detect when the wheels slipping?

Kaliber Cosworth

The next stage is to get the electronics fitted. The system comprises of a small wiring loom, a controller box, a dashboard control and the optional spark control box. These were mounted under the dashboard and in the driver's footwell. The dashboard control was mounted in the central console where I could at get it when strapped into the car. The control allows the degree of control to be adjusted and also has the all important launch control button. The system also has a data logging facility and a serial connection is provided to plug into the onboard data logging PC. This gives detailed analysis of what is happening to the wheels and the car when driven. It can even detect when wheels lift off the ground!
The variable control is an important feature. Many standard traction control systems err on the safety side and will prevent any wheel slippage at all. This can prevent experienced drivers from driving the car in the way they want. At one sprint, on frustrated competitor was seen with a mobile phone in one hand talking to Ford about ways that the traction control could be disabled on a Puma. Every time he started to push the car, it kicked in and slowed him down. The variable control allows the driver to select the amount of intervention that is required. It can even be switched off. In practice, this could almost be described as a tail slide control. The less intervention, the more the tail would slide and the more correction the driver would need to provide.

Turbosystems

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it monitors the wheel speeds and uses the non driven wheels as it's reference depending on this difference it will limit the engines output by varying amounts upto a it's most severe point of total engine cut.The amount of desired wheel spin can be adjusted by the pot on the dash,you do not want no wheel spin

Kaliber Cosworth

i assume it works off abs and spark is that a correct summary i copy passted tony?

and was it the same system used in touring race cars?

Turbosystems

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first you need to tell me who you are as apparently i don't like you

traction control was never fitted to the rs500 touring car it was not allowed in the regs
yours will have been fitted by a later owner as a retro fit

Physio

I very much doubt it's your ex wife Tony

Kaliber Cosworth

Tony the car was used by the public who won competitions to have a go on the track (with a race driver) and get a touring car feel but with half the power and they fitted traction to help keep the car straight.

Turbosystems

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I love my x wife i just couldn't eat a whole one

Turbosystems

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they fitted traction because these numpties couldn't drive roflol

Kaliber Cosworth

got an entry form to drive my car back in the late 80's with andy rouse,i must check the expiry date

Turbosystems

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It's not that I dislike you kaliber it's more the fact that nobody likes you

dunketh

So it monitors the speed of the wheels then cuts engine power when one slips a lot?
So it cant 'move power' from say one wheel to another, like modern stability systems can?
How does it monitor wheel speed? Is it some kind of dodgy belt system like the ABS on RSTs?

Sounds very interesting. I know traction control was fitted to later granadas/scorpios. I wonder if you could hack about that later system to fit a cos... (shooting the breeze here as I dont own either...)

phil_rs

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Agreed

Only joking Steve

How's ze german tank now? Still broken?

Kaliber Cosworth

hi i am not kaliber cossie


Thanks for the info all,i will be trying it out tommorrow,be interested how it compares to modern day rwd TC.