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Old Jul 8, 2008 | 10:01 PM
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When I click on my email (Outlook) I get the message below, I have tried using the inbox repair tool but no errors found.. Properly mad with it now, anyone know what's up?

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Old Jul 8, 2008 | 10:07 PM
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i dont know whats wrong,but it might be worth trying a systems restore to a earlier date.
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Originally Posted by lloyd
i dont know whats wrong,but it might be worth trying a systems restore to a earlier date.
Just tried that but no change, cheers anyway. This may be a job for Ish or Bill.
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Martin, system restore wont fix that.

Close Outlook and then click "Start" and "run"

Type the name of that .exe file into the run box and see if the inbox fixer sorts your problem.

Looks like some sort of outlook data file corruption.

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polly_x - hes tried that already mate to no avail.

Martin - can you try setting up a new PST file for your emails then use the import option to try and import them from that old PST file?
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Originally Posted by Lee_R21Turbo
polly_x - hes tried that already mate to no avail.

Martin - can you try setting up a new PST file for your emails then use the import option to try and import them from that old PST file?
I would try that if I knew what the hell you are talking about I'm not brilliant with this sort of thing but really need this sorting as I have loads of emails to reply to.
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Hmmmm - had a feeling you were going to say that!! I could do this in about 2mins flat if I was next to the PC! LOL!

OK........here try this - type this in the START - RUN box 'C:\DOCUMENTS AND SETTINGS\MARTIN\Local Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Outlook' and then click on OK. This should bring up a folder where you will be able to see the OUTLOOK.PST file - now you've done that MOVE it onto your desktop for later use! Make sure it doesnt exist at that location anymore!!

Now try opening up Outlook again - it may give you an error message to start with stating it cant find the data store etc - with any luck it 'should' create a new data file if you OK the error messages & will let you open up & start using Outlook again - albeit with your emails missing....temporarily anyway!!

Report back once you've done this...

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Old Jul 8, 2008 | 10:49 PM
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Go into Control Panel then Mail

click E-Mail Accounts button

Select View or change existing.... then hit next

Somewhere near the bottom should be a New Outlook Data File button, click it

Select Office Outlook Personal Folders File (.pst) then hit Ok

Type a filename for the pst then hit ok

Another window will pop up asking about encryption and passwords blah blah, type a name in the box at the top (e.g Personal Folder2) then click ok. You should now be back to the window with the New Outlook Data File button on it.

From the dropdown box next to the New Outlook Data File button select your new Personal Folder (Personal Folder2) then click finish.
You should be able to open Outlook now but you won't have any of your old emails.

What you can then try is importing your old mail from the original pst.....

In Outlook click File then Import and Export

Select Import from another program or file then hit next

Select Personal Folder File (.pst) then hit next

Click Browse and find the .pst file the error message was talking about, click Ok then Click Next

Assuming Outlook can read that .pst (it may not given the error before) you should get a list of your old folders, select Personal Folder at the top and make sure Include subfolders is ticked. Underneath select Inport items into the same folder in: then chose your new personal folder file (Personal Folders2).

cross fingers then click finish.
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Martin, give what Lee is suggesting a try and I will check back in the morning to how you got on with it.

Also are you running office 2003 or 2007..I have forgotten!
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Originally Posted by Lee_R21Turbo
Hmmmm - had a feeling you were going to say that!! I could do this in about 2mins flat if I was next to the PC! LOL!

OK........here try this - type this in the START - RUN box 'C:\DOCUMENTS AND SETTINGS\MARTIN\Local Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Outlook' and then click on OK. This should bring up a folder where you will be able to see the OUTLOOK.PST file - now you've done that MOVE it onto your desktop for later use! Make sure it doesnt exist at that location anymore!!

Now try opening up Outlook again - it may give you an error message to start with stating it cant find the data store etc - with any luck it 'should' create a new data file if you OK the error messages & will let you open up & start using Outlook again - albeit with your emails missing....temporarily anyway!!

Report back once you've done this...
Done that and it's as you said, empty.. Next?
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Originally Posted by Ish
Martin, give what Lee is suggesting a try and I will check back in the morning to how you got on with it.

Also are you running office 2003 or 2007..I have forgotten!
2007
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Done that and it's as you said, empty.. Next?
Excellent....

Now follow these steps :-
How to import .pst file data into Outlook

Use the following steps to import a .pst) file into Outlook: 1.On the File menu, click Import And Export. If the menu item is not available, hover your pointer over the chevrons at the bottom of the menu, and then click Import and Export. 2.Click Import from another program or file., and then click Next. 3.Click Personal Folder File (.pst), and then click Next.4.Type the path and the name of the .pst file that you want to import (this is the OUTLOOK.PST file on your desktop), and then click Next.5.Select the top of the hierarchy to import everything, and then click Finish.
Let me know what you end up with after this - hopefully you will have all your emails back!!
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Old Jul 8, 2008 | 10:55 PM
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If it's 2007 none of what I wrote may apply, try the second part to import from your old pst though.

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Originally Posted by Ish
Also are you running office 2003 or 2007..I have forgotten!
Come on ISH....you can tell its 2007 by looking at the program icon in the top left of the screen on his screenshot! LOL!
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Old Jul 8, 2008 | 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamz
If it's 2007 none of what I wrote may apply, try the second part to import from your old pst though.

James
Bit late for that I hope I haven't lost it all!!
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You wont have lost anything....provided you've still got the old OUTLOOK.PST file on your desktop - or should I say you're in no worse position that what you were in about 45mins ago - infact you're in a better position because at least now you can send & recieve emails - its just historical emails that have currently gone AWOL....chop chop & try what I said....
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Originally Posted by Lee_R21Turbo
Excellent....

Now follow these steps :-
How to import .pst file data into Outlook

Use the following steps to import a .pst) file into Outlook: 1.On the File menu, click Import And Export. If the menu item is not available, hover your pointer over the chevrons at the bottom of the menu, and then click Import and Export. 2.Click Import from another program or file., and then click Next. 3.Click Personal Folder File (.pst), and then click Next.4.Type the path and the name of the .pst file that you want to import (this is the OUTLOOK.PST file on your desktop), and then click Next.5.Select the top of the hierarchy to import everything, and then click Finish.
Let me know what you end up with after this - hopefully you will have all your emails back!!
I get the same error message that I had at the start...
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Old Jul 8, 2008 | 11:05 PM
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You should be fine..

The only way you'll lose anything is if you overwrote your old pst file with the new one (gave it the same name and path) or your original pst is too corrupt to recover any data from.
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
I get the same error message that I had at the start...
Sounds like your original data file is properly cunted then mate!! I take it a sensible chap like you takes regular daily backups?? If so then you can restore the PST file from this & you'll only of lost out on todays emails if you are lucky....otherwise you might be a tad stuck.

How big is the original PST file on your desktop?
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Old Jul 8, 2008 | 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Lee_R21Turbo
Sounds like your original data file is properly cunted then mate!! I take it a sensible chap like you takes regular daily backups?? If so then you can restore the PST file from this & you'll only of lost out on todays emails if you are lucky....otherwise you might be a tad stuck.

How big is the original PST file on your desktop?
I backed it all up about a week ago. It's 1.3GB in size..
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Well....least thats something - 1.3Gb is a bit big to be sending to me over email even zipped up it wouldnt go down to a reasonable size!! I was going to suggest me seeing if I could salvage anything from it if you sent it - although Ish is probably your man for this as hes closer.

Sorry I couldnt be of more help - but at least you can send/receive emails again.
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Old Jul 8, 2008 | 11:16 PM
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As Lee says sounds stuffed. Restoring from backup will get you up and running quickest, make sure you copy the corrupt .pst somewhere before you restore, you can always try to recover from the corrupt pst at a later date if need be.

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Originally Posted by Lee_R21Turbo
Well....least thats something - 1.3Gb is a bit big to be sending to me over email even zipped up it wouldnt go down to a reasonable size!! I was going to suggest me seeing if I could salvage anything from it if you sent it - although Ish is probably your man for this as hes closer.

Sorry I couldnt be of more help - but at least you can send/receive emails again.
I am just running the scanpst again from the desktop, it must be doing more than it did last time as it's taking longer...
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lee could you not remote connect to martins pc?
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
I am just running the scanpst again from the desktop, it must be doing more than it did last time as it's taking longer...
Ah - well thats something - I wonder if it was scanning an older incorrect PST file then before - when its finished doing what its doing try importing it again!! Might just work that!!

Lloyd - yes I could providing all his firewall/router settings are setup for me to do that!!

Jamz - the PST file on Martins desktop is what hes backed up - Outlook 2007 has created a new Outlook.pst file in the default location.
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Old Jul 8, 2008 | 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Lee_R21Turbo
Ah - well thats something - I wonder if it was scanning an older incorrect PST file then before - when its finished doing what its doing try importing it again!! Might just work that!!

Lloyd - yes I could providing all his firewall/router settings are setup for me to do that!!

Jamz - the PST file on Martins desktop is what hes backed up - Outlook 2007 has created a new Outlook.pst file in the default location.
If it finds the problem and cleans it up... Can I simply not drag it from the desktop and dump it back into the folder from where I took it? Or do I have to use the Import thing?
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Old Jul 8, 2008 | 11:26 PM
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That should work but don't overwrite the old one, rename it first before you copy it back.

Saying that though you'll have to tell outlook to use the new old pst file (if you catch my drift), probably easier to do the import.

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Old Jul 8, 2008 | 11:31 PM
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It's at phase 3 of 8.. Fingers crossed !! The upside if this doesn't work is that I have a genuine reason for not answering all those emails
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Old Jul 8, 2008 | 11:34 PM
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Sounds promising, I'd be surprised if don't get anything back scanpst is pretty good.

I would definitely do the import rather than pissing around trying to get outlook to read the fixed pst, a lot let hassle.
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Originally Posted by Lee_R21Turbo
Come on ISH....you can tell its 2007 by looking at the program icon in the top left of the screen on his screenshot! LOL!
It was late and I just looked at the error message lol!

Martin, How did the repair go?
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
If it finds the problem and cleans it up... Can I simply not drag it from the desktop and dump it back into the folder from where I took it? Or do I have to use the Import thing?
How did you get on Martin??

If you havent done already, best to do the import - that way at least you have a fresh new PST file as a base to start from that hasnt been corrupted before.

Yes you could in theory just drag & drop it over, but if you've had any emails come in/or sent any whilst you've been fiddling then these will then be lost.

Jamz - THE OLD ONE DOESNT EXIST AT THE DEFAULT LOCATION ANYMORE - ITS ONLY ON HIS DESKTOP!!!
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Jamz - THE OLD ONE DOESNT EXIST AT THE DEFAULT LOCATION ANYMORE - ITS ONLY ON HIS DESKTOP!!!


I know I know, it was late, I was tired
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Old Jul 9, 2008 | 07:21 AM
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I want to thank everyone here that helped with this last night (and the guys who pm'd too), I am pleased to say that it's now sorted.

I recon that when I originally ran the scanpst program I didn't find all the pst files and because of this the operation took only a few mins and found no errors but once I knew where they all were (then desktop) I scanned again and it took well over an hour and did find problems. I then pressed 'repair' and after that I inported everything back into outlook and all is now good It did take me until 2.15am though!!

I still have no clue what caused the issue.

Thanks again
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You could do with not using PST files at all.

I spent a year or so fixing e-mail type issues for BAE Systems and PST files were the main cause of stress in my life.

Ask whoever provides your e-mail solution, presumably your webhost if they have an Exchange Archiving Solution.

This will mean any e-mails sent/recieved are stored server side rather than an easy to corrupt data file on your PC. Server side means regular backups etc.

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Glad you got it sorted Martin - sometimes if Outlook doesnt close down properly it can cause corruption of the PST file - especially if the PC is accidently turned off, reset or has crashed etc etc.

doesntbelong - I dont really feel thats a viable option for Martin tbh - I imagine this would cost a fair amount and he would then be reliant on someone else to retrieve & do backups on his behalf. I very much doubt there would of been someone from his hosting company at 2:15am this morning to aid him should he need to of restored emails.

Now that this has happened once I think Martin will probably backup on a more regular basis aswell as he can see what can happen if it all goes a little Pete Tong on him!!! This is all that needs to be done IMO.

You probably were having issues with PST files due to the sheer size of them at BAE systems - I deal with customers using them day in day out and very rarely encounter problems with them.
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Originally Posted by Lee_R21Turbo
Glad you got it sorted Martin - sometimes if Outlook doesnt close down properly it can cause corruption of the PST file - especially if the PC is accidently turned off, reset or has crashed etc etc.
Funny you should say that I was in a hurry to leave work and instead of shutting down properly I simply closed the laptop lid which turns it off, won't be doing that again!!
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That'll be it then mate - lesson learnt eh!!
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Originally Posted by Lee_R21Turbo
- lesson learnt eh!!
How true!! Just backed it all up too
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Originally Posted by martin-reyland
How true!! Just backed it all up too
I bet you dont take your backups offsite either do you??? What happens if you have a fire!!??
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