rapidcossie

Chip....maybe its time to really think about how you write things down>

As There are more people on here that think you are a CNUT than not?

Its all for the same reason too....because you talk to people like they are thick.

rapidcossie

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Chip

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Ben, he is referring to the depth of bolt in the thead effectively I should imagine.

Ie how many turn from initial purchase to fully torque up do the adjuster bolts and underside mounting bolts go through.

Chip

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99% of the people ive met from this site I seem to get on fine with, so I suspect you are wrong with the more people thing, unless most people on here are very two faced, but TBH mate, I dont actually care one way or the other, if I wanted to socialise on the internet in a big way, id go and join Bebo with all the other people who want to spend all day trying to make "online friends" and chat about each other
But I dont have any interest in that so instead I come here to learn about cars, and help others do the same, not to be part of some saddo popularity ring on the internet that doesnt interest me, if people dont like my style of writing, they can click the link in my sig and not have to see it, so I see NO reason for anyone to be enough of a sad cunt to comment about it when they can so easily simply choose to not see it if they dont like it, and just leave it to those people who DO enjoy or learn from talking to me on here.

Stavros

ditto, i like what he says most the time, just dont like how he says it. the min someone slightly disagrees with him he starts treating them like a cunt.

but sometimes i think he wants people to click the ignore, then he will have nobody ever to question or disagree, and he will be forum champion of the universe.



I give up now on this one as its all been said, chip isnt wrong in this occasion, we dont wanna ignore his posts as most are useful, but he talks to people like cunts which winds em up.

Chip

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Stav, i'm of the opinion that anyone who gets so easily wound up about someone happening to write something in a particular way isnt really worth communicating with very much, so im perfectly happy for those sad insecure over senstive old women trapped in a 20s male body to just click ignore, I dont believe that any of the people on here I particuarly enjoy chatting to or learning from will do so though, as they arent so EMO about the whole thing in the first place, so its no skin off my nose however many people do or dont click me onto ignore.
Ive got NO interest in it being ME that is right, my only interest is that the info that we ALL leave the thread with is correct, wether it comes from me or not.
99.9% of the time, im in the right or am clearly only stating an opinion or a statement based on my own experience, not cause im some uber genius, but cause I simply dont bother posting the first place unless I have a high degree of confidence in what im posting, I wish more people would apply the same amount of thought into what they post TBH and the site might not be full of so much rubbish to correct in the first place!

you've said the same thing in loads of other threads, so it had all been said, and treated with the amount of respect it deserved LONG in advance of this thread even starting, so I see no reason at all why you were misguided enough to think I care enough about your opinion for it to be worth you giving me it yet again TBH mate!

Gatecrasher

Stav nail and head

Chip Clancy sent me a PM as all the shite on this topic he didnt get a reply so i told him what he wanted to know

20mm in some place 25mm in other and the bolts are upto 30mm

rapidcossie

I believe you are probably an ok guy in real life but I have spoken to tons of folk on here that think your a prick on here.

Chip

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Im amazed that someone who seems a fairly inteligent guy who is sat with the whole world of information available to him via his PC instead chooses to use it talking to "tons" of folk instead about their opinion they happen to have formed about some bloke they have never met based on how he words an explanation of how a strut top works, that really does seem like the ultimate in sadness to me to be perfectly honest with you mate!

RST-AndyP

I have ignored the person in question and since then i feel great not having to read the replies,but to add if he was like that in real life he wouldnt be able to type LOL

Chip

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PMSL, I honestly thought that people putting me on ignore might give them something other than me to talk about, I really am amazed that anyone can find a few words on a car forum about a strut top SO interesting that now instead of talking about reading what I write, they are talking about NOT reading what I write

RST-AndyP

well all i got was a logo saying my ignored has posted,thats it. Hope it wasnt a reply to me as rather pointless!

Back to suspension.

Chip

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Sounds like a plan

Gatecrasher

rapidcossie

Its IMPOSSIBLE not to form an opinion of someone just by what they type on here, it doesnt mean the person is like that in person as I have found out quite a few times after actually speaking to people.

I NEVER take things said on the internet to seriously, especially when they are said by people that I dont know, have never met etc etc

Chip

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Well based on all that very sensible thought process, why are you bothering to waste all your time in private busily PMing people about me, or by email or phone or carrier pidgeon or wherever it was you spoke to these "tons" of people about me then you saddo

RichardPON

As much as I think Chip is an arse licking antagonistic prick, both on here AND in real life, I agree with him 100% here.

How are people missing what is a fundamental design flaw? I think Chip is being overly vocal about it, as no-one seems to be giving this fault the consideration it deserves.

Personally, I'm struggling to understand why they were fitted at all - four bolts holding the front suspension, suspending the shock absorber ABOVE the bodyshell?

rapidcossie

I have never had a convos specifically about you mate....dont get a big head

The comments about you are usually after a normal kinda car chat then you get brought up at the end by folk saying how much of a tit they think you are.

I never ever carry on the convo as Im not in the habbit of bad mouthing people.

Fiecos Dan

This might sound like i'm being a cu-t, but i have to say it.


As usual, PF is brought down by 1-3 people trying to cause shit, and not actually trying to help the thread on.
To many people trying to come across as very knowlegdable, but alot of the time talking straight out of a text book, with out any experience or attempts at doing the very thing they are posting about.
I know life is a learning curve, and everyone has to learn from somewhere, and no-one knows everything, but as usual too many chiefs and barely any indians.


i'm not saying i know better, but i do only post on threads i do know something about, and usually IMO, or on results of something i have tried and tested myself.






Chip,
If you do read the post alittle more carefully, your see i posted on my 1st post, That the 4 top bolts are whats carrying the whole car wieght.


But you insist on Wanting Mike to answer you? WHY?
It seems your just trying to get a arquement sort of response.

or you feel 'I' (me) dont know what i'm talking about, which i have proved on at least 2-3 topic's V's you, and put you in you place as a text book warrier.
ps dont get me wrong, there are a few subjects and tech stuff, you know more about than me, but you want see me trying to come across as if i do on them posts.

RichardPON

Dan,

Forget the size, shape, and length of the bolts.......

How do you justify the fitment of a top suspension mount above a bodyshell?

rapidcossie

Dan, I beleive its cos Chip would take great pleasure in watching Mike admit he is wrong or that the product might have flaws.

thats what the constant badgering looked like to me anyway.

Chip

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blimey you do hang around with some sad twats if they bother to talk so often about someone they saw posting on the internet in a style they didnt enjoy.
If i was actually posting inaccurate info, I might see some point in discussing it, on the merit of the worth or not of the information, but if all they want to discuss is personality, im sure they could find out FAR more about people by going on www.bebo.com instead, maybe you should PM them that link, they'll probably love it, its full of that sort of stuff apparently, its the site of choice for the EMO's I heard, lol

rapidcossie

Chip I have no time to go on bebo as Im too busy emptying my inbox of all the people that PM me saying they think your a twat

Chip

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Then you havent got a clue what you are talking about with regards to me, so its a good job you stay out of all these chats your friends always have about me, as you would be talking total bollocks, lol.

Its cause I want to know more about the product than what I can tell from the very limited images on here.

Believe it not, despite you thinking that im interesting purely for my personality, I actually get a LOT of people (probably even more than you get talking about me to you, LOL) ask me for advice on what to do with their cars and my opinion of products and how they work etc and if they are a good idea, so I would like to know categorically if im right about how the product works for that reason, especially as I quite frequently have sent people Mike's way in the past, as Ive always believed him to be someone who will talk honestly and openly about the products that he stocks.

rapidcossie

you asked the same question directed at Mike about 5 times, even bumping the thread back up specially for him.

Why didnt you just call him when it beacame obvious he wasnt online?

Chip

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Blimey, you do choose to mix with interesting people who enjoy talking about someone they have never met behind their back, lol

Im glad I dont bother to give the time of day to idiots like that in the first place, or I might end up a magnet for the saddo cunts like you seemingly are

Fiecos Dan

I'm not saying there are not weaknesses on this design, but i feel if fitted and maintained to a good standard, i think they will do the job needed.

But watch this space, as i will be doing my top mounts on my Fiecos to what i feel is whats needed for strength and adjustability.
And they will be tried, tested to my standards.

Chip

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Id consider that quite impolite and invasive TBH mate, but maybe we differ on opinion on phoning people up about that sort of thing, so instead I just BTT'd it so he would notice it when I saw him online on other threads instead.

rapidcossie

you crack me up chip

The frequency that you were asking the same question it looked to me as if you were desperate to find out the answer to prove that you were right and someone else was wrong....

Thats how most of your threads end up

Chip

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I also believe that they are potentially up to the job that Ben wants them for if he keeps them in good order.
My "quest" on this thread isnt to try and stop people buying them, it makes no difference to me if they do or dont, as its not like I sell some equivalent product, and its upto people to decide for themselves what they want on their car, my involvement in this thread has merely been to attempt to facilitate people learning about what these are and how they work and what the implications are before though buy them to avoid dissapointment.


Those ones I posted before all the bebo crew kicked off look like a good option to me mate, might be worth trying something along those lines as they are very simple to make.

Chip

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You are right I am interested in the answer, you are merely wrong about why you think im interested in it, I dont know why you bother trying to decide on the motivation I might have for asking a question TBH, seems a pointless exercise

You must have read a very misrepresentative sample of my threads as out of the 1000+ threads ive posted in, I can only actually think of about 3 that have ended up with the bebo crew turning into a discussion on writing styles and how upset and EMO they are over the whole thing TBH

markk

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ffs this thread is now fully fooked up, ive stopped reading this from about 2 pages ago because yet again its turnied into the 'fook me im chip and im right about everything'

chip your point has been taken please sit back down and let it be addressed by the board.

just for a little bit of 'bolt' info, one 12.9 6mm (thread) bolt used in a length-ways application will have a breaking strain of near 5tons iirc. a helicoil in aluminium increases the threads strength by approx 50% of the original diameter, hence why aerospace industries etc always helicoil aluminium stressed components.

Fiecos Dan

I got all your points Chip, and yes they were all worth posting, as are very constructive,
it was just the way you edit things, the way it reads, and the bttt's i dont get.

And i also agree, if in later years these are floating around the 2nd handseen, problems with the structal strength and design can become a issue for safety, but thats on the same lines are alot of 2nd hand items, that become unroad worthly.

But also, another way at looking at this, they were designed to be used by the person who brought them, like Ben, and most other people who would buy them, which intend them to stay on there cars, with out thoughts of selling them on at a later date.
But of coarse, this will change a year or 2 down the line.

Chip

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MarkK, I mentioned (you probably missed it in among all that random chat about me everyone seems to enjoy so much for some reason I cant fathom) previously that the bolts themselves having insuffiecent stength under tension wouldnt be an issue, my concerns are ONLY about the threads being damaged (mainly in the ally more than the bolts) or working loose etc.

With regards to your comment about how I want to be right, Ive mentioned previously I dont care who is right or wrong, providing we all leave with the correct information, if Im wrong Im quite happy with that as it means Ive learnt something new, if im right, then I will keep correcting people who say something wrong, as the forum isnt a useful resource if people post incorrect information and no one corrects it.

Chip

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Cool, at least we all seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet in the end


Anyone retailing these will be FULLY aware that they will ultimately end up in the hands of such people, its upto the retailers in question to decide on their own moral view of supplying such products, the only mindsets I can think that they would be in when doing so is:

Fuck it, some twats will buy anything and the money is better in my pocket than someone elses (see ebay for LOADS of these people)

Unaware that what they are selling is so fundamentally flawed in the first place



The third option, is that me, you, martin, cosworth rallysport, markk, are all wrong, and these are in fact perfectly safe for long term use.



With regards to the retailer this thread refers to, NONE of those really seem to fit, hence why Im so keen for his input, as I really am completely perplexed as to what someone like Mike is doing selling something like this, I have bought things from Mike myself, including clutches and suspension, and generally think very highly of his opinion on all things cosworth.

I guess this product is possibly an example of why his whole ethos of "selling things I have firsthand experience of using" is a good one, and I suspect that he will probably end up regretting departing from that (imho morally correct) stance to sell these products without properly evaluating their fitness for purpose first (IF, and only IF, me and you and martin and markk and cosworth rallysport are correct about their flaws, which of course we might not be)

Fiecos Dan

Thats another fair point.

But also, same as everything else, only as good/safe as who fit's and maintains them.

Gatecrasher

so by them calculations markk what sort of breaking strain do you think 8 M10 bolts that are 20mm deep into the top mounts and also if they was helicoiled

only in your opinion or corse

Chip

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Just when I think ive got somewhere with you mate, I end up having to go back to talking to you like a mongaloid again

No they are NOT just the same as everything else in this marketplace, a correctly designed strut top SHOULD be idiot proof, as invariabley thats where its going to end up at some point, these are NOT.

If someone buys a set of the ones I posted a few pages back then no matter how poorly they are maintained, how badly they are overtightened or the threads are stripped, or how much bolt loosening vibration they are subjected to on a competion car with solid mounts etc they will STILL not ever allow the shock to move upwards and smash the wheel into the bodywork locking it solid in the process, sure they might end up with some strange handling as they go out of adjustment etc, but that is NOT the same as what these ones will do.

Fiecos Dan

Ben,

those are static steady loads,

you then have to take into consideration, shock, bump and the rebound of the springs on top of the cars wieght

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

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Does anyone know how you go about setting something like this up ??

I presume you need to take it to a wheel alignment centre to set up all the adjustments
but how do you know what figures to tell them ?? (brief explanation will be ok if you like)

(I am totally dumb when to comes to topics on suspension )