Gatecrasher

Have been looking for the old topic but couldnt find it so thought i may aswell start a new one anyways

Big thank you to Fiecosdan for his hard work today "cheers Bitch"

What do you think MEATY or What!!...





a few things to add i know a few sets of these have been sold and im not sure if these are the first set but we came across a few minor problmes

1st one being the corner of the mount is very close to the bonnet so im not sure what sort of Strut brace Danny B is making up for a few people but be carfull if you raise the strut tps any more with clearance on the bonnet

2nd was the fitting Alan key bolts that bolt from the underside are a fraction to long, they do come with washers but you will need 2 more to go on before as i foud out the hard way and tightened them up under the adjuster damaging them a little, nothing to worrie about but if left the adjusters wouldnt be able to move so who ever was tracking the car would be like WTF

Last up the washer that goes on the top of the strut was a little to small so it had to be machined out ever so slightly, not a big job took dan all of 10 seconds

Hope someone finds this info helpfull or usefull as thats why i have posted it so you have a head start before you get stuck in to fitting them

While dan was cutting and drilling i moved the Oil cooler to a better place



eagle eyed people I.e. "paul R" will see i have standard headlights in too and that i have moved the coil pack

Luca

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Productive day there thn, looks pretty trick

Chip

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The Mounts look like a great bit of bling

Chip

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Yeah, thats my only concern, those few little bolts, and couple of bits of ally are taking the weight of the front of the car.

Certainly woudlnt want to jump humpback bridges like that, but should be perfectly fine on a circuit car

Munch

Nice...

Ben you should get Kermit the Frog painted on the Rocker Cover Or Cam Cover (whatever you wanna call it) to go with the green theme lol

Gatecrasher

not that i go jumping many hump back bridges but anyway i had a set of the Centric "or whow ever you say them" top monts that all the rally cars used to use and that most cosworths use even now and TBH they were thin comparde to these and you have 6 M10 or bigger not sure Bolt that bolt at least 30mm through the turrut top into the body of the mount...

Have got a load of step by step picks on dans camera as i forgot mine but just got a few snaps when i got home

Just got to get all the geometry setup proper now with 3 Degrees 30 Caster where as i only had the 2 & 1/2 Degrees Negative Camber and 2ML Toe In before

NUTS RuS

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Chip, thinking back to a standard item, what holds that in then ?

Car should still be sat on the top suspension mount I would presume ??

Munch

Ben...




good Quote for you too

''its not easy being Green''

lol!

Mr RS500

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Tony , the std suspension is pushing upwards into the strut top , these top mounts are bolted from the top and are only held in place by bolts , Im not saying they arnt up to the job , but the std way is much stronger ( if the car was to land heavy ) thats the only way these top mounts MIGHT fail , and even then it would only be the bolts that MAY fail

I would say that these mounts would stand some serious hammer tho

Kelv

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Paul, thats pretty much what Danny B was saying last weekend.

in theory the car is hanging from these top mounts as they are mounted on the top of the struts with only a few allen key bolts holding them to the car.

the other concentric top mounts that Ben refers to used to sit on the underside of the strut top, so the cars weight was actually sitting on the front suspension.

these pointers that Danny mentioned did have me a bit worried at first althought they should be strong enough, and Danny is strengthening my struts and aiding there mountings to give them a better chance.



But Ben, theyre looking good mate - my strut brace is actually having mounts fabricated into the strut tops, and then the actual cross brace will be removable around them!

Dan

Nice one Ben, I did also notice the standard headlights! Looks MUCH MUCH better mate

Chip

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Did they not mount under the strut top though? Rather than supporting the weight of the car on a few small bolts?


30 caster?
30 what mate, as you CANT mean degrees, do you mean mm as even that sounds massive?

Chip

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PS

It looks like its only 4 of those bolts that are actually involved in taking the weight of each corner?
What do they actually go into under the strup top?

Martin-Hadland

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I don't like the look of them at all, very clumsy design and as already mentioned they want mounting below the turret. Sorry Mike..

Kelv

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i must admit im considering not having mine fitted and selling them on!

Chip

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How does that really help though when the load bearing is still going to be reliant on bolts going down through?
Doesnt matter what else you stick on top of the mount, it still doesnt change where the load is placed (on the bolts) surely? Unless im not picturing correctly what you mean?

Martin-Hadland

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Ben do you have any pictures during installation?? How much of the original turret is left and what bolts/washers are used?



Is it cut back similar to the above but the parts mounted above?

Chip

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Especially any showing what goes UNDER the strut top.

Kelv

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Chip, i wasnt saying the strut brace was going to aid it in any way.

i was just stating what type of strut brace Danny is making for me as i know Danny is making one for Ben to fit around these new top mounts, where as the actual mounts of mine were going to become part of the strut.

Chip

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Ah ok, try and make your posts more idiotproof in future

Kelv

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i cant mate, im a true idiot myslef so achieving that would be a mirracle

Chip

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lol

Jay,

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so am i being thick here in thinking you have modify the strut tops ?

Chip

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As far as I can see, yes you are being thick, there is no need to modify the strut tops.

Jay,

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ah good ill go back to rocking in the corner

Micky The Finn

these look big and clumsey under the bonnet,doubt they are very strong at all,nothing like a rally car that bolt up from underneath and would have double skinned inner wings or strut tops with the cage also fitting to the strut tops.

looks like taky boy racer crap sorry,back to the drawing board if i were you,oh wait on,you dont need to,its already been done by ford in 1983.

Chip

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PMSL

Its so funny cause its so true!


Ps

Did anyone else see the irony in the thread starter saying "meaty or what" when it woudlnt matter if they were a foot thick, cause they are only holding the weight of the car still by 4 bolts

Chip

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PPS

Is it just me or does nut holding the shuck in also not actually have enough threads through it either really to be ideal?

Jay,

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right ok why are they holding the car up with 4 bolts do you have to take the top sup off the strut or something like that ?

Micky The Finn

if you look at martins car above,i bet that if only two bolts we fitted it would still be fine,proper set up exactly as it should be.

i can just see someone cornering hard on slicks running over the rummble strip and there car falling on its sump!!at 100mph thats going to do massive amounts of damage!

Chip

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* edit

Martin-Hadland

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Here's a cheap way of doing it, needs nicer bolts and the paint is a little messy but you get the idea..

Jay,

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ah know i understand !then that is a extreme amount of trust in those bolts

Chip

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Not ultimately as adjustable though when its eccentric of course martin, as its not always possible to get the exact combination of caster and camber that you want.

Chip

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And in the person tightening them, and in the nuts never vibrating loose etc etc

If those 4 bolts come undone, you are essentially going to be PROPERLY fucked.

Gatecrasher

in ture passion ford style

was only showing people who are fitting them what i found was a problem so they knew in advace

Dick i mean Chip thats 6 bolts per side so that 12 not 4, and the nut in the middle on the shock that is holding them on is 30mm+ long with thread all the way down it! Also for you and mr know it all Cosworth rally sport i did say i had a set of the other top mounts to be fitted to the car but i want easy adjust,ent in seconds not wheels off unbolting spinning them arround ect to find what setting it want this way all the diffrent settings i want can be marked once and then used as and when i see fit I.E. Pod, Road, Track

Martin i do have some picks i will put up later it did leave a lot more of the original turret than you have you only need to take out 11cm iirc, will get the picks up later if i cant be botherd with all the other shit that goes with trying to be helpfull

Jay,

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that looks alot stronger ! and at a gues if these adjustable mounts where a must they would be bolted to ur car martin

Chip

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Its NOT 6 bolts per side holding the weight.

COUNT THEM!

Jay,

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so why is chip a dick "ok probably wrong question to ask " only pointing out what could be a issue