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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 09:50 PM
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removing the plunger and spring will allow full bleed most boost maps are filled with ff which is max duty cycle.
An amul valve as used on the sierra cosworth is not a particularly good boost control valve it is cheap and should be replaced with a decent valve
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 09:52 PM
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can the ecu control other types of valve then?

reccomend any?
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Old Sep 10, 2007 | 09:59 PM
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yes it can stick air injectors on and inverse the boost strategy.
i would suggest people run a standard 2.5 mm in the r port to start and 0.8 in the c port this reduces the control pressure in the amul valve ,they weren't designed to control heavy actuators or high boost, high boost can generate outlet temps from the turbo in excess of 200 deg c.the valves have been known to regularly fall apart it is plastic
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Mitsy FQ
removing the plunger and spring will allow full bleed most boost maps are filled with ff which is max duty cycle.
An amul valve as used on the sierra cosworth is not a particularly good boost control valve it is cheap and should be replaced with a decent valve
......so after all this, and i was only trying to FUCKN HELP...does this method work>>??.....edited to say.......if their was an electrical problem with the valve or wireing....
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 08:11 AM
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I have to say I have removed the amal valve from my setup for various reasons.

I use a blitz boost control valve which uses dual solenoids to control boost. In my case, the boost I am running is close to the peak capacity of the turbo (similar to you JTech, 32psi peak, and 28psi hold). As such, it naturally has a kind of peak and hold characteristic.

The Boost controller uses the solenoids to do the job of the amal valve, but you program it yourself, rather than allowing the ecu to control it. It has four channels that can be mapped against rpm or speed.

It also has a boost match mode, which basically means you can set the desired level of boost, and it achieves it. This is a good deal more stable in varying conditions - prevents overboost in very cold climates.

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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 08:40 AM
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iv just removed the jet from the valve that goes to air filter.. thought it would be hard but was easy

Jtech thanks for your advice mate
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 08:50 AM
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JUst get a expert to do it would have been sorted by now
if you dont know BREAK IT FFS
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by RS500/364
JUst get a expert to do it would have been sorted by now
if you dont know BREAK IT FFS
short and bold

but why not gain knowledge of how to sort probs yourself?
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 09:59 AM
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Check the postion of the wastegate shaft compared to a car that you know holds good boost. If the arm is at a different angle to yours, the it will be this.

What happens is that the heat makes the metal soft and the spring tension from the actuator is enough to twist it, so that it effectively backs the boost off. You can keep adjusting the actuator to compensate, but eventually you will reach the end of it's range.

The only cure is to fit an inconnel wastegate shaft which can withstand the heat.
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 10:15 AM
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I keep learning about materials that I have never even heard off!!!

WTF is inconnel?

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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 10:30 AM
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That information is classified - this message will self destruct in 5, 4, 3....

It's what they make jet engine blades out of, it is a mixture of metals (not sure what) that can withstand extreme temperatures.
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 10:36 AM
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Inconel is a Nickel based 'Super Alloy'
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 10:40 AM
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As Bill said above...........

The clever bit is that it protects itself when heated.............

When heated, Inconel forms a thick, stable, passivating oxide layer protecting the surface from further attack. Inconel retains strength over a wide temperature range, attractive for high temperature applications where aluminum and steel would "soften".

More information here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inconel
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 11:03 AM
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how much are these i think when the ALS arrives i may need one
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 11:08 AM
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What turbo is it?
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 11:11 AM
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t34 im not telling you what ex housing as you will take the piss and say it wont last 5minuites with als




damm i bet you can guess now
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 11:12 AM
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Oooo - I want one so I can say that I have an inconel shafted Actuator!

Mike - PM me a price for a 2wd Dash 38 (on a T35 turbo)

JJ
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by JTECHSAFF
t34 im not telling you what ex housing as you will take the piss and say it wont last 5minuites with als
damm i bet you can guess now
No need to guess, its in your sig "My Car" link for all to see..... = .48
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 11:16 AM
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damm

jj ,its not the actuator ,its the wastegate arm, on the turbo
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 11:23 AM
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had mine done on warranty by turbo technics but on the receipt i think it was under £200....
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 11:26 AM
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It won't protect the turbo from lunching itself if ALS is fitted. That is another trick metal Mar-M 247 main shaft .
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 11:30 AM
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its got a Mar-m shaft
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by JTECHSAFF
damm

jj ,its not the actuator ,its the wastegate arm, on the turbo

Oh bugger that then ROFL!!!

Ill stick to mild poo!! Mind you - at least its on a 0.63 housing

JJ
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Old Sep 11, 2007 | 04:21 PM
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£150 inc return delivery to fit inconnel shaft on wastegate .

However, incorrectly jetted Amal valves and -34 actuators can still cause even the inconnel arms to twist.
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