Remapping is rubbish and for chavs
09-08-2007, 04:57 PM
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Remapping is rubbish and for chavs
Theres a car section on another non car forum that I use, I generally dont get involved as its like being in the pub and listening to all the bull shit.
I commented on a topic yesterday though, someone was asking about the Citroen C6 and I said;
"I'm sure they use the 2.7 V6 twin turbo diesel Jag engine in these, if they do its all the engine you'll ever need in a C6, especially if you get it remapped"
Someone then asked "what is remapping all about, I've heard someone mention it before" and before I could reply someone else beat me to it with the following nugget;
"LOL, re-mapping is a technique chavvy boy-racers use to re-programme their car's engine management computer for more power.
The usual result is a drastic reduction in economy and longevity. You should tell your insurance company, but if the chavs could afford more insurance they would have just bought a more powerful car in the first place...."
I gave a semi arsed reply as I thought I was wasting my time so he replied with;
"Sorry, Matt but I hate it. It's engine tuning done by computer programmers with no mechanical sympathy. They skip all the blueprinting, gas flowing and bearing replacement (vital IMO for longevity) and go straight to stuffing as much fuel and air down the motor as humanly possible. Cheap but not cheerful. Leave it to the chavs who don't care if their Impreza blows up 'cos they stole it anyway.
Why would you tune a diesel? Taxi racing?"
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I commented on a topic yesterday though, someone was asking about the Citroen C6 and I said;
"I'm sure they use the 2.7 V6 twin turbo diesel Jag engine in these, if they do its all the engine you'll ever need in a C6, especially if you get it remapped"
Someone then asked "what is remapping all about, I've heard someone mention it before" and before I could reply someone else beat me to it with the following nugget;
"LOL, re-mapping is a technique chavvy boy-racers use to re-programme their car's engine management computer for more power.
The usual result is a drastic reduction in economy and longevity. You should tell your insurance company, but if the chavs could afford more insurance they would have just bought a more powerful car in the first place...."
I gave a semi arsed reply as I thought I was wasting my time so he replied with;
"Sorry, Matt but I hate it. It's engine tuning done by computer programmers with no mechanical sympathy. They skip all the blueprinting, gas flowing and bearing replacement (vital IMO for longevity) and go straight to stuffing as much fuel and air down the motor as humanly possible. Cheap but not cheerful. Leave it to the chavs who don't care if their Impreza blows up 'cos they stole it anyway.
Why would you tune a diesel? Taxi racing?"
Some people
09-08-2007, 06:05 PM
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He's got a point!!, he's got absolutely NO CONCEPT of the internal combustion engine either.
Remapping will GAIN effeciency and therefore MORE MPG at the same load, the point is though most that have it done use the extra power which of course will take more fuel to produce more, fuel consumption per bhp is improved though, as it has to to increase effeciency.
It removes the NECESSARY restrictions on performance written into the oe map which has got to cater for all fuels in all countries, and all drivers and driving style.
The scoob engine mentioned is not a particularly good design anyway, a lot go bang at std power, it is no gaurantee of long life if you don't have it mapped either.
Mapping is essential with certain mods or it can very quickly go bang.
tabetha
Remapping will GAIN effeciency and therefore MORE MPG at the same load, the point is though most that have it done use the extra power which of course will take more fuel to produce more, fuel consumption per bhp is improved though, as it has to to increase effeciency.
It removes the NECESSARY restrictions on performance written into the oe map which has got to cater for all fuels in all countries, and all drivers and driving style.
The scoob engine mentioned is not a particularly good design anyway, a lot go bang at std power, it is no gaurantee of long life if you don't have it mapped either.
Mapping is essential with certain mods or it can very quickly go bang.
tabetha
09-08-2007, 07:26 PM
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MP for K.I.S.S
Quote "Leave it to the chavs who don't care if their Impreza blows up 'cos they stole it anyway" Unquote
Arsehole - Absolute stereotype.
I take proper care of my car and I certainly didn't steal it. Remaps can increase fuel economy, and it has a host of other benefits, can make the car less lumpy and more responsive.
Ignorant twit.
Arsehole - Absolute stereotype.
I take proper care of my car and I certainly didn't steal it. Remaps can increase fuel economy, and it has a host of other benefits, can make the car less lumpy and more responsive.
Ignorant twit.
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09-08-2007, 08:29 PM
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Ask him,
after he blue prints, ports and flows his engine (oh and changes the shells, lol), does he get it remapp'd for the mod's, or does he run it on std ecu, because the extra grunt is not worth being a chav?
after he blue prints, ports and flows his engine (oh and changes the shells, lol), does he get it remapp'd for the mod's, or does he run it on std ecu, because the extra grunt is not worth being a chav?
13-08-2007, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Wardy257
The results of remapping can be negative as well as positive. You can lose power, economy and do damage to the engine.
13-08-2007, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Fiecos Dan
Originally Posted by Wardy257
The results of remapping can be negative as well as positive. You can lose power, economy and do damage to the engine.
If the engine was overfuelling before the re-map and the re-map corrects this then you can lose power and so on.
If the re-map is just a chip, like most, a lot can go wrong.
14-08-2007, 06:19 AM
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Some people write some bollocks don't they ?
A remap can be negative in effect, yes but only if done wrong by some numpty, the ONLY negative side is to your wallet.
What do these people think ALL MANUFACTURERS IN THE WHOLE WORLD DO ?, they map ie they install a chip with instructions for the little computer we call a ECM/ECU, it is all MAPPING, without which the engine will not go AT ALL EVER, as it has NOT been told to fire the plugs or to inject fuel, BOTH of which are at least fairly useful to get an engine running.
Any LOSS of economy is more often than not down to the new found power being used, mappers are NOT miracle workers and cannot control peoples right feet, can anyone say they have ever had a car mapped that went loads better and id not use the power ?, which is the most likely reason for having it done.
Mapping can cause engine damage, complete bollocks, unless it is a idiot doing it OR there is something wrong with the engine to start with, it will NOT lead to significantly shorter working life either as fuelling will be bang on, no more cossie bore wash etc.
If a chip as often does deliver extra power, it does use more fuel at that extra power, ie FULL THROTTLE, unless the oe one was really bad, in which case it can deliver more power and use less fuel, but when the extra power is used it will use a little more at full throttle, but brake specific fuel consumption will be better.
tabetha
A remap can be negative in effect, yes but only if done wrong by some numpty, the ONLY negative side is to your wallet.
What do these people think ALL MANUFACTURERS IN THE WHOLE WORLD DO ?, they map ie they install a chip with instructions for the little computer we call a ECM/ECU, it is all MAPPING, without which the engine will not go AT ALL EVER, as it has NOT been told to fire the plugs or to inject fuel, BOTH of which are at least fairly useful to get an engine running.
Any LOSS of economy is more often than not down to the new found power being used, mappers are NOT miracle workers and cannot control peoples right feet, can anyone say they have ever had a car mapped that went loads better and id not use the power ?, which is the most likely reason for having it done.
Mapping can cause engine damage, complete bollocks, unless it is a idiot doing it OR there is something wrong with the engine to start with, it will NOT lead to significantly shorter working life either as fuelling will be bang on, no more cossie bore wash etc.
If a chip as often does deliver extra power, it does use more fuel at that extra power, ie FULL THROTTLE, unless the oe one was really bad, in which case it can deliver more power and use less fuel, but when the extra power is used it will use a little more at full throttle, but brake specific fuel consumption will be better.
tabetha
14-08-2007, 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Wardy257
Originally Posted by Fiecos Dan
Originally Posted by Wardy257
The results of remapping can be negative as well as positive. You can lose power, economy and do damage to the engine.
If the engine was overfuelling before the re-map and the re-map corrects this then you can lose power and so on.
If the re-map is just a chip, like most, a lot can go wrong.
I wouldn't call a Chip a 'remapped' car as such, its a chipped car, there's a difference. As not done for that 1 engine/car.
So what i said earlier still stands.
14-08-2007, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Originally Posted by Wardy257
How competent the mapper is does not affect the ecconomy!!!
14-08-2007, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by indycos
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Originally Posted by Wardy257
How competent the mapper is does not affect the ecconomy!!!
14-08-2007, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by nilrem
no i think i can see his point... if the mapper aint that competent then he is gonna ruin his engine
Conversely, making them fast is childs play too. ALL the skill is in the driveability and emmissions calibration as far as i am concerned. Thats why some peoples mapped/chipped cars drive like crap and wont idle properly hot or cold, yet go really well if you nail them. Making an engine Fast is a walk in the park. Any idiot can do it with ease in minimal time.
14-08-2007, 04:22 PM
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Matt i think you might be a bit wrong too
Sorry Matt my fault 
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