Dave,

Mike isnt going to post the graphs so you may as well forget it mate. A bit of a poor show from Mike but its his decision.

 

Forget what? I said several months ago that I would not be posting them up - if nothing else, I am a man of my word .

 

Im telling Dave to stop hoping that you will post the graphs Mike. You said you wouldnt be and thats that. Simple really mate.

 

Yes, but there is nothing to forget, as I said in the T66 thread that I would NOT be posting them up as a direct result of the bickering on that thread, unless you forgot that? . Plus it's fun winding you up .

 

Should have "leaked" a false version with a few deliberate mistakes just to give these women something to natter about

 

...Mike wont even tell me...as i am deemed too close to MAD

...i bet if i offered you a facial you'd tell me

 

 

Bill DON'T you dare - that is privalleged information .

 

if for every extra 1psi you run is 22bhp then depending on how you worked that out, wont you running at 29 psi be 600 + ponies ?

 

Just goes to show - you don't have to be posh to be privileged

 

Listen to the desperation!

This lot are so desperate to rubbish Mike's figures that they're virtually begging!

Have some pride for god's sake!

 

Bill,
Unless you want another passenger ride in Peterborough, you better not PM anything .

 

APMSLOL

 

...all i can say is fucking hell

 

...opps sorry wrong thread

 

i forget nothing. Plus i havent even asked to see the graph

 

Check the elephant man!

 

 

Elephant man.... harsh!!!!






Rich ain't THAT Ugly

 

I've met him - I beg to differ !

 

rofl Porkster has met me as well and im inclined to take his side in this matter

 

I've just deleted my PB account, just in case

For everyone who's forgotten, Mike's not a whiz kid on the old PC's, he tried posting the graphs on the board earlier today, but the sellotape wouldn't stick to the screen


Getting back to the thread title.....

.... was it black, made of rubber and in the glovebox?

 

mike, sorry for the noob question, but if youre running 29/32psi, and seeing a drop between the two relating to 22bhp/psi, and 29 psi is about 44 absolute, then 44x22=968bhp.

I know thats not an accurate figure, as the further up the range you go, the more restriction you see as flow increases, so if anything its making more power then that.

Im also realistic enough to realise that you do not have a 1000bhp trackday escos.

where has my thinking gone awol, or was the 22bhp/psi related to somethig else, or just wrong?

 

alistairolsen i guess the 22bhp/psi is not from the beginning, but on top of the 'low boost' setting

Billabong yes - the gearknob had fallen off

 

Alistair,

The correct figure for a T4 engine with Nick Waple head fitted is 10 - 11 BHP per extra pound of boost.

This is what Harvey told me in reference to my T4 SCS engine. I'm reasonably sure Mike has got that figure (22 bHP per extra 1 LB boost) wrong.

 

Something i was going to ask as well. How linear is the 22hp/1psi - that is a HELL of a lot - and very impressive You have a T4 - i take it is a far cry of the RS500 spec - as that is well off the compressor map at 500hp. I suspect that you probably hit a brick wall power/airflow wise one you increase the boost more than you plan to use the engine at - due to the turbo?

Anyway, good luck with the new liners - and i look forward to seeing it on track

 

If it made 22bhp per psi at one particular point then there was something wrong with it at the boost setting just prior to that, simple as that, there is no way its making 22bhp per psi consistantly for exactly the reason alistair gave, also like alistair said typically at the top end (due to both pumping losses and intake temp increases) you will make LESS bhp per psi than lower down, not more.

 

Problem is that Mike is the one that gives the most shite to those that do post on here, mainly because he wont except the Torque figures that Mark gets from his engines. Believe me Mikes figures are very modest indeed but its the Torque thats a crock of shite & hence why it wont get posted much the same as why another high profile Cossie's figures are never posted. Mine will be posted on the net but not on here to avoid Mikes rants. Im sure mine wont be believed next time expecially by the MikeR mafia as for a road engine it will set new highs.

By the way PONgo it will run past the present record 'OFF' the gas & way past 210 'ON' its the only way that your ultimate Power can be proved & must really hurt the 'talkers' that abound on here. .

 

why everyone still argues abotu torwue I do not know, unless youre spending a lot of tme at one particular load site like in a top speed run. On a track, the only bit that matters is the area under the power curve, related to the mass and rolling inertia of the car.

Whether you choose to make 12 from 3 torques and 4 revs, or from 2 torques and 6 revs is irrellavant so long as your grearing is suited.

You can argue whether mark makes 500ftlbs from a 500bhp engine where harvey makes 400ftlbs from a 500bhp engine, or whether harvey makes 500bhp from 400ftlbs where mark makes less. Its entirely conceptual and totally fucking irrellevant.

I find all this bickering a bit childish tbh, and Im interested in seeing any graph for interesting engines reqardless of where the cheque was posted to.

 

Mike,

Proof or STFU

PMSL @ all those who are backing Mikes decision to hide the evidence.
They are either "Harvettes" or have been PMed the graph.




Agreed 100%

 

I'm neither, and I don't think he should show the graph. It's too much fun watching you all get wound up!

 

Stoo,

I should edit it to say "and including his (ex) moderator chummies"

Ultimately its his choice but I am 99% sure if anyone else was making
such power claims and comparison to a MAD engine then he would be first
with the "proof or STFU" comments.

It is this irony that makes me want to know what he is hiding from now

 

I don't know what you mean..

 

this threads fucking top class.

these debates are what sets pf apart from the rest.

personaly i dont think mike should put them up as its really only a bit of paper id much rather see the car perform!!

but regardless keep the bickering up

 

I think he should post them