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Old 17-04-2007, 04:12 PM
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In what way? Were they Nikasil?
Old 17-04-2007, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by RichardPON
In what way? Were they Nikasil?
No they weren't. Should have been to prevent this from happening, but the power output was intended to be within the range of the normal ones. They obviously don't like 8500rpm up 'em .
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Originally Posted by RichardPON
In what way? Were they Nikasil?
Rod has never knackered a nikasil one despite so much more power from his MAD engine, so I cant imagine that they were nikasil if they were indeed what failed!
Old 17-04-2007, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
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In what way? Were they Nikasil?
Rod has never knackered a nikasil one despite so much more power from his MAD engine, so I cant imagine that they were nikasil if they were indeed what failed!
That's what I meant Chip - as in it would have been a bit of a shocker if it had been.
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Sorry mate, missed that one.
Old 17-04-2007, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Nick,
Where and when were the pictures taken, as when I phoned yesterday, I was told that the car would be with Harvey today?

Doug,
Oil in with water - assumed to be in order of likely-hood:
1. Cracked liner.
2. Head gone porous around exhaust valves.
3. Faulty head-gasket.

Obviously I'm praying for the latter, but as Harvey has only ever seen one be faulty in all his life, I don't think my bad luck is that good !
http://bbs.rsownersclub.co.uk/showthread.php?t=113873
Old 17-04-2007, 05:18 PM
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...any reason why you would use std liners on such a big build..was it so you could reuse some pistons?

...what thickness were they too?
Old 17-04-2007, 05:26 PM
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not good news Mike.

off the road too long.

put your old engine back in then we can have a battle on a track day again.
Old 17-04-2007, 05:29 PM
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Not good news!! glad you got the car back from Germany ok tho
Old 17-04-2007, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bosch Dealer
...any reason why you would use std liners on such a big build..was it so you could reuse some pistons?

...what thickness were they too?
Phil,
Everything, bar the block was brand new and the block didn't need to be as it was fitted with liners. Full spec is in my resto thread .

Dave,
I think Michael would have something to say about that, as that engine is now his .
Old 17-04-2007, 09:19 PM
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Mike, Big shame that
Old 17-04-2007, 09:36 PM
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maybe making more power than you thought Mike?



At least the liners wil do it once and for all.

how do Nikasil liners wear compared to a normal block?
Old 17-04-2007, 09:57 PM
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mike how was the throttle respnse on the new engine?
Old 17-04-2007, 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by GARETH T
mike how was the throttle respnse on the new engine?
Cracking?


sorry Mike to harm meant
Old 17-04-2007, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by GARETH T
mike how was the throttle respnse on the new engine?
Cracking?


sorry Mike to harm meant


that was quick!!!!!

steve
Old 18-04-2007, 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by rapidcossie
how do Nikasil liners wear compared to a normal block?
They dont basically mate.

You have to use a diamond tool just to hone them properly, they are tremendously durable.
Old 18-04-2007, 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by rapidcossie
Originally Posted by GARETH T
mike how was the throttle respnse on the new engine?
Cracking?


sorry Mike to harm meant
Cruel but funny

Best of luck in getting it fixed mike

Mike
Old 18-04-2007, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by GARETH T
mike how was the throttle respnse on the new engine?
It is difficult to say at this stage, as I didn't have it in the correct circumstances. Basically I picked it up after the on-road mapping (24 hrs later than I wanted ), so had to drive straight to the ferry and then straight from the ferry to the Ring (270 miles in 3˝ hours ), and then arrived at the hotel (after driving all through the night) in time for beakfast and then went straight out on the track . So 99.9% of the time was spent in the boost threshold, where it was stupid quick even on low boost (as quick as the old car on high ). I never went above position 2 on the boost controller .
Old 18-04-2007, 08:10 AM
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Thanks Dave .

But even if it was fine, I don't do standing starts, I don't want the transmission to die as well .
Old 18-04-2007, 08:18 AM
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The fact you didnt notice the throttle response is almost certainly a sign of how good it actally is
Old 18-04-2007, 08:22 AM
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Old 18-04-2007, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
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mike how was the throttle respnse on the new engine?
It is difficult to say at this stage, as I didn't have it in the correct circumstances. Basically I picked it up after the on-road mapping (24 hrs later than I wanted ), so had to drive straight to the ferry and then straight from the ferry to the Ring (270 miles in 3˝ hours ), and then arrived at the hotel (after driving all through the night) in time for beakfast and then went straight out on the track . So 99.9% of the time was spent in the boost threshold, where it was stupid quick even on low boost (as quick as the old car on high ). I never went above position 2 on the boost controller .
did it get bench dyno'ed? would love to see the plots
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Mr T,
Of course it was . But that info is never going to make the net due to all the bickering it creates. I'm happy with the power, which is all that counts .
Old 18-04-2007, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Mr T,
Of course it was . But that info is never going to make the net due to all the bickering it creates. I'm happy with the power, which is all that counts .
In other words you know for a fact the torque curve is nowhere near as good as an MAD engine
Old 18-04-2007, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Mr T,
Of course it was . But that info is never going to make the net due to all the bickering it creates. I'm happy with the power, which is all that counts .
a PM and my word then
Old 18-04-2007, 09:52 AM
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Come on Mike, dont be shy - post up your Dyno figures, a few of us would love to see them
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its mighty impressive
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Chip,
My torque curve is EXACTLY where you would expect it to be running at 31psi - it's comments like yours that make me realise I am right to keep the figures to myself and close friends .

Obviously if I ran a huge amount of boost, I would get HUGE amounts of torque. However, I'm not after numbers to brag about, hence why you have definitively made up my mind to keep "schtum" . The fact that it has over 300lbft from 3500-8500 (and WELL over 400 from 4000-7000 ) is good enoug for me .
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Chip,
My torque curve is EXACTLY where you would expect it to be running at 31psi - it's comments like yours that make me realise I am right to keep the figures to myself and close friends .

Obviously if I ran a huge amount of boost, I would get HUGE amounts of torque. However, I'm not after numbers to brag about, hence why you have definitively made up my mind to keep "schtum" . The fact that it has over 300lbft from 3500-8500 (and WELL over 400 from 4000-7000 ) is good enoug for me .


PMSL @ Trying to "blame" me cause you arent satisfied enough with the figures to post them.

The MAIN person ive seen trying to add doubt to or question dyno results on this website is YOU, if you are happy to comment on other peoples, then it implies that you feel this is something that is open for discussion, so its funny that you then choose to make sure your figures remain a secret so that when you pour scorn on others there is no point of reference from your own car.

If you say it does what it should, then why not post it, surely that sort of informative and interesting post is EXACTLY what passionford should be about?
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do you class me as a close friend mike
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....Mike can you PM me the figures and an update on those injectors
Old 18-04-2007, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
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Chip,
My torque curve is EXACTLY where you would expect it to be running at 31psi - it's comments like yours that make me realise I am right to keep the figures to myself and close friends .

Obviously if I ran a huge amount of boost, I would get HUGE amounts of torque. However, I'm not after numbers to brag about, hence why you have definitively made up my mind to keep "schtum" . The fact that it has over 300lbft from 3500-8500 (and WELL over 400 from 4000-7000 ) is good enoug for me .


PMSL @ Trying to "blame" me cause you arent satisfied enough with the figures to post them.

The MAIN person ive seen trying to add doubt to or question dyno results on this website is YOU, if you are happy to comment on other peoples, then it implies that you feel this is something that is open for discussion, so its funny that you then choose to make sure your figures remain a secret so that when you pour scorn on others there is no point of reference from your own car.

If you say it does what it should, then why not post it, surely that sort of informative and interesting post is EXACTLY what passionford should be about?
Oh contrare, I am over the moon with the figures, they are more than I ever expected them to be (ESPECIALLY the torque ) .

But following the 11 pages of bollocks from last time I posted figures, I will politely decline your attempt at manipulation .
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Mike the reason you wont post is because YOU know MAD produce a better engine...why use Spar when you could use Marks & Spensers
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Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
how do Nikasil liners wear compared to a normal block?
They dont basically mate.

You have to use a diamond tool just to hone them properly, they are tremendously durable.
How does that relate to that Nikasil issue that BMW suffered with the 328 engines?
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Originally Posted by RichardPON
Originally Posted by Chip-3Door
Originally Posted by rapidcossie
how do Nikasil liners wear compared to a normal block?
They dont basically mate.
You have to use a diamond tool just to hone them properly, they are tremendously durable.
How does that relate to that Nikasil issue that BMW suffered with the 328 engines?
Rich, I read up on the BMW issues this morning and the problems were related to sulpher in the fuel that was available at the time, and mostly over time/milage - say 30 K miles.

http://www.bmwworld.com/engines/nikasil.htm

Nikasil was very popular in the 1990s. It was used by companies such as BMW, Ferrari,Honda and Jaguar Cars in their new engine families. However, the sulfur found in much of the world's low quality gasoline caused the Nikasil cylinders used by BMW to break down over time, causing costly engine failures. Eventually, the product was abandoned after BMW was forced to replace a number of M60 V8 engines in the USA and the UK. Nikasil or similar coatings under other trademarks are still widely used in racing engines where low quality gasoline isn't a problem, this include F1, ChampCar and NASCAR engines.

Engines using Nikasil include:

Porsche 912 engine ( engine in 917 car, not to be confused with the Porsche 912 car )
Porsche 911 1973+ (excluding some 1975-1978 911S)
BMW M60 V8
BMW M52 I6
Jaguar AJ-V8
Maserati Biturbo 2.0 V6 Engines
Ferrari F50 V12
Honda XR650R
Moto Guzzi 850 T3 and derived engines
BMW R80GS, as measure to reduce weight over cast-iron lined cylinders
Lambretta TS1
Honda H-series
Citroën Visa twin
Citroën GS birotor wankel engine made by Comotor
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I think Mike is doing the right thing by keeping his figures judging by some of the replies, I will say that he does have good reason to be happy with them though
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Its vital that you use the right rings with nikasil too.
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...and the Jaguar V8 supercharged liner problem Chip?


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