anyone here ever supercharged a car before ?
09-03-2007, 08:20 AM
#1
just finding my feet
Thread Starter
anyone here ever supercharged a car before ?
just wondering what needs to be taken into consideration that ive missed
the list i have is
where to mount it
oil feed
where to run the belt
what else am i missing as in what throttle would i need,
what engine managment,
do i need a intercooler
are they water cooled ?
fuel pressure reg?
map sensor ?
does the come ratio for a cvh turbo too low or should the comp be higher ?
just tossing up ideas and thoughts of a project for a cvh turbo engine ive got hanging about
cheers
the list i have is
where to mount it
oil feed
where to run the belt
what else am i missing as in what throttle would i need,
what engine managment,
do i need a intercooler
are they water cooled ?
fuel pressure reg?
map sensor ?
does the come ratio for a cvh turbo too low or should the comp be higher ?
just tossing up ideas and thoughts of a project for a cvh turbo engine ive got hanging about
cheers
09-03-2007, 08:25 AM
#3
just finding my feet
Thread Starter
dan this is for the tennis cabrio, think about it, 100 quid supercharger and a few mods, ofab management and a car taht whistles when on boost and NO fucked turbo worries ( i hope)
4.4 v8 asounds long and expensive and i DONT wanna loose my aircon
cossie e36 is tempting though but,,,,, again why loose the reliable motor
4.4 v8 asounds long and expensive and i DONT wanna loose my aircon
cossie e36 is tempting though but,,,,, again why loose the reliable motor
09-03-2007, 08:31 AM
#6
only centrifugal chargers need oil feeds.
if you get an eaton like is fitted to the cooper s you wont need one.
intercooler is a good idea, low comp obviously, custom brackets for the charger, extra pulley on crank, can be piped fairly easily if you can fab stuff
if you get an eaton like is fitted to the cooper s you wont need one.
intercooler is a good idea, low comp obviously, custom brackets for the charger, extra pulley on crank, can be piped fairly easily if you can fab stuff
09-03-2007, 08:43 AM
#7
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Thread Starter
Originally Posted by GARETH T
it wont be as cheap as you hope
supercharger is a ton, give it another 1300 for fitting and mapping and there you have it
just need to know options im missing, its like turboing a car but no custom zorst manifold needed
is there anything im missing in my thoughts ?
how does the easton chargers work then with no oil feed ?
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09-03-2007, 08:44 AM
#8
DEYTUKURJERBS
LOADS more work than mounting a turbo.
very strong brackets and correct pulleys mainly.
regarding the managment and engine stuff, treat it like a turbo engine and spec it to match the boost you will run.
and if you havent a clue how to work out blower ratios and choosing the correct size/flow supercharger, your fucked.
the supercharged zetecs etc you see around wont help you much as they all just pussy boost bolt on kits like the bolt on turbo kits that used to be popular.
positive displacment chargers like eatons and tons of others need no extra lubrication, the bearings already have it and thats it.
in a word, if you havent a clue, dont bother, as words wont help you.
very strong brackets and correct pulleys mainly.
regarding the managment and engine stuff, treat it like a turbo engine and spec it to match the boost you will run.
and if you havent a clue how to work out blower ratios and choosing the correct size/flow supercharger, your fucked.
the supercharged zetecs etc you see around wont help you much as they all just pussy boost bolt on kits like the bolt on turbo kits that used to be popular.
positive displacment chargers like eatons and tons of others need no extra lubrication, the bearings already have it and thats it.
in a word, if you havent a clue, dont bother, as words wont help you.
09-03-2007, 08:49 AM
#9
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Give Jimbo a shout I'm sure he can lash soemthing up for you with E-bay bits, his Blue Peter annual and some elephant tape
In all serious mate if you have the time and the cash it would be cool to see something a little different
In all serious mate if you have the time and the cash it would be cool to see something a little different
09-03-2007, 09:17 AM
#11
DEYTUKURJERBS
Re: anyone here ever supercharged a car before ?
Originally Posted by Ginge !
just wondering what needs to be taken into consideration that ive missed
the list i have is
where to mount it -
where ever there is room and the drive pulley is lined up with the one you somehow attatch to the crank
oil feed-
as your obv want to run an M45 off ebay from a CooperS, no need, only centrifugal gayness ones need an oil feed
where to run the belt-
from the pulley you will need to attatch to the crank somehow to the charger pulley bizzare question will need to make some kind of belt tensioner(s), esp with the multi-v setup that cooperS's have.
what else am i missing as in what throttle would i need-
if you was running non intercooled you can use the charger as an inlet plenumn and put the throttle on the charger inlet, thats how most the bolt on kits run.
if you running an intercooler and charger somewhere else it will work ok with throttle in stock place but give some light/off throttle drivability issues.
to solve that you need an off-throttle charger bypass or just a second throttle bolted to the charger inlet (so both throttles work at same time), they both work well.
what engine managment-
a normal turbocharged car managment will work fine correctly mapped
do i need a intercooler-
no, same as you dont NEED one with a turbo, but it helps loads obviously, esp if you not just gonna run gaylord boost.
are they water cooled?
not unless it rains or your running pre compressor water injection
fuel pressure reg?
rising rate one like a turbo car
map sensor ?
if your managment needs one, yes
does the comp ratio for a cvh turbo too low or should the comp be higher ?
same as a turbo car, totally depends on the boost pressure.
M45s like you obv want to run can be overdriven to fuck and can push well over 20psi on a CooperS engine. Only chargers that run low boost are same as turbo cars- standard ones and gaylord bolt on kits for n/a cars.
just tossing up ideas and thoughts of a project for a cvh turbo engine ive got hanging about
its the the other issues, ie mounting the thing, working out the correct blower ratio, etc etc etc, stuff you obv dont know about and not EASY to learn, which will fuck it up.
LOT more complex than turboing an engine in all honesty when you more used to turbo cars.
IMO dont bother
cheers
no problem
the list i have is
where to mount it -
where ever there is room and the drive pulley is lined up with the one you somehow attatch to the crank
oil feed-
as your obv want to run an M45 off ebay from a CooperS, no need, only centrifugal gayness ones need an oil feed
where to run the belt-
from the pulley you will need to attatch to the crank somehow to the charger pulley
bizzare question will need to make some kind of belt tensioner(s), esp with the multi-v setup that cooperS's have. what else am i missing as in what throttle would i need-
if you was running non intercooled you can use the charger as an inlet plenumn and put the throttle on the charger inlet, thats how most the bolt on kits run.
if you running an intercooler and charger somewhere else it will work ok with throttle in stock place but give some light/off throttle drivability issues.
to solve that you need an off-throttle charger bypass or just a second throttle bolted to the charger inlet (so both throttles work at same time), they both work well.
what engine managment-
a normal turbocharged car managment will work fine correctly mapped
do i need a intercooler-
no, same as you dont NEED one with a turbo, but it helps loads obviously, esp if you not just gonna run gaylord boost.
are they water cooled?
not unless it rains or your running pre compressor water injection
fuel pressure reg?
rising rate one like a turbo car
map sensor ?
if your managment needs one, yes
does the comp ratio for a cvh turbo too low or should the comp be higher ?
same as a turbo car, totally depends on the boost pressure.
M45s like you obv want to run can be overdriven to fuck and can push well over 20psi on a CooperS engine. Only chargers that run low boost are same as turbo cars- standard ones and gaylord bolt on kits for n/a cars.
just tossing up ideas and thoughts of a project for a cvh turbo engine ive got hanging about
its the the other issues, ie mounting the thing, working out the correct blower ratio, etc etc etc, stuff you obv dont know about and not EASY to learn, which will fuck it up.
LOT more complex than turboing an engine in all honesty when you more used to turbo cars.
IMO dont bother
cheers
no problem
09-03-2007, 09:43 AM
#13
just finding my feet
Thread Starter
mouting it and ratios seem the thing for me tbh, as for running big boost, not really about that tbh, more of a " i wonder" thing
ratios need to be considered thinking about it as im guessing theres not a wastegate to relese the extra boost or am i wrong
gareth, spending that on a car over a period of months aint a issue,,,,, confused why it would be considering i spent 4k on my old cossie buying pointless shite when i could have just slapped a engine in and got it running OR me spending 6.5k on the cabrio before to sell the engine for 3.5k 9 months later before it was finished
hell i spent just under 500 quid last weekend on the piss and have 2k budget for german to piss up the wall
not to mention i spend a average of 500 quid a month on general going pub with mates
ratios need to be considered thinking about it as im guessing theres not a wastegate to relese the extra boost or am i wrong
gareth, spending that on a car over a period of months aint a issue,,,,, confused why it would be considering i spent 4k on my old cossie buying pointless shite when i could have just slapped a engine in and got it running OR me spending 6.5k on the cabrio before to sell the engine for 3.5k 9 months later before it was finished
hell i spent just under 500 quid last weekend on the piss and have 2k budget for german to piss up the wall
not to mention i spend a average of 500 quid a month on general going pub with mates
09-03-2007, 09:53 AM
#14
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you must be proud 
if you could do all the hard work yourself,, (fitting and getting working) that i would say go for it as it would be intresting! but considering you gotta pay someone for there work,,, i wouldnt bother! its an expensive way to say "i wonder"
if you could do all the hard work yourself,, (fitting and getting working) that i would say go for it as it would be intresting! but considering you gotta pay someone for there work,,, i wouldnt bother! its an expensive way to say "i wonder"
09-03-2007, 10:11 AM
#15
DEYTUKURJERBS
Originally Posted by Ginge !
mouting it and ratios seem the thing for me tbh, as for running big boost, not really about that tbh, more of a " i wonder" thing
M45 can give you 240bhp at very best, you need to push the charger if you want power
ratios need to be considered thinking about it as im guessing theres not a wastegate to relese the extra boost or am i wrong
all a wastegate type thing would to is lower boost, not raise it
gareth, spending that on a car over a period of months aint a issue,,,,, confused why it would be considering i spent 4k on my old cossie buying pointless shite when i could have just slapped a engine in and got it running OR me spending 6.5k on the cabrio before to sell the engine for 3.5k 9 months later before it was finished
hell i spent just under 500 quid last weekend on the piss and have 2k budget for german to piss up the wall
not to mention i spend a average of 500 quid a month on general going pub with mates
yeahyeah, your a rich gangsta, you dont need to keep drumming it in, but it still dont go past the fact this is a pointless idea, esp as you havent got the foggiest how
M45 can give you 240bhp at very best, you need to push the charger if you want power
ratios need to be considered thinking about it as im guessing theres not a wastegate to relese the extra boost or am i wrong
all a wastegate type thing would to is lower boost, not raise it
gareth, spending that on a car over a period of months aint a issue,,,,, confused why it would be considering i spent 4k on my old cossie buying pointless shite when i could have just slapped a engine in and got it running OR me spending 6.5k on the cabrio before to sell the engine for 3.5k 9 months later before it was finished
hell i spent just under 500 quid last weekend on the piss and have 2k budget for german to piss up the wall
not to mention i spend a average of 500 quid a month on general going pub with mates
yeahyeah, your a rich gangsta, you dont need to keep drumming it in, but it still dont go past the fact this is a pointless idea, esp as you havent got the foggiest how
09-03-2007, 10:23 AM
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not to mention i spend a average of 500 quid a month on general going pub with mates
yeahyeah, your a rich gangsta, you dont need to keep drumming it in, but it still dont go past the fact this is a pointless idea, esp as you havent got the foggiest how
yeahyeah, your a rich gangsta, you dont need to keep drumming it in, but it still dont go past the fact this is a pointless idea, esp as you havent got the foggiest how
oooooohhhh
"step away from the handbags...."
hahahaha
in all seriousness, dont bother with it,...
stavros obviously knows a bit about it, and i wouldnt think he d attempt it...
09-03-2007, 10:26 AM
#17
just finding my feet
Thread Starter
stavros,,,,, what the fuck you on about "rich gangsta", i as pointing out i wouldnt class a grand as expesive considering ive spent more on it
infact im FAR from rich, i get paied LESS than most of my mates and i dont save any money,,,, i just have lower bills so i can enjoy life
and i KNOW a wastegate is to LOWER boost, hence me thinking i could fit one and have too much boost, wasnt thinking of too little
and gareth i was thinking of doing it as a self hobby with extra help from others in the industry,,,, considering i deal with all the local trade customers on the car game i can get things like small jobs done for a drink if i show them what i need doing
its not like i work at halfords and dont have people who can weld decent or get parts of breakers for fair prices if its for my car, i got a M3 evo bumper for my bm for 30 quid and im gonna get it sprayed and fitted for 100 quid when i get time to get down there ( yes time is a issue in my life these days )
infact im FAR from rich, i get paied LESS than most of my mates and i dont save any money,,,, i just have lower bills so i can enjoy life
and i KNOW a wastegate is to LOWER boost, hence me thinking i could fit one and have too much boost, wasnt thinking of too little
and gareth i was thinking of doing it as a self hobby with extra help from others in the industry,,,, considering i deal with all the local trade customers on the car game i can get things like small jobs done for a drink if i show them what i need doing
its not like i work at halfords and dont have people who can weld decent or get parts of breakers for fair prices if its for my car, i got a M3 evo bumper for my bm for 30 quid and im gonna get it sprayed and fitted for 100 quid when i get time to get down there ( yes time is a issue in my life these days
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09-03-2007, 10:33 AM
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Thread Starter
carl i remember people telling me not to bother with a zetec conversion as its hard work, needs skill and tools ect, a mate of mine done one on his birds drive,,,, and i was the one who showed him how to fit a engine 2 years ago
i remember people saying gearboxes are a bitch to rebuild and need a PROPER tech to do it,,,,, i done it at work during my lunch with a tech telling me when i got stuck what i needed to do
cars aint always like aerospace engineering,,,, fitting a supercharger just seems a case of fitting,,,, but wanted to know if i missed anything
i recon a 8psi supercharger would be interesting car to drive if a little dead top end but a fun car from driving in central london or am i thinking wrong ?
oh i also remmber being told that drilling a cps in a block is very very difficult and a pros job and filling out a head for injectors wont work,,,, that fuckign car started first time and engine lasted 9 months before it cracked the pistons under too much boost
i remember people saying gearboxes are a bitch to rebuild and need a PROPER tech to do it,,,,, i done it at work during my lunch with a tech telling me when i got stuck what i needed to do
cars aint always like aerospace engineering,,,, fitting a supercharger just seems a case of fitting,,,, but wanted to know if i missed anything
i recon a 8psi supercharger would be interesting car to drive if a little dead top end but a fun car from driving in central london or am i thinking wrong ?
oh i also remmber being told that drilling a cps in a block is very very difficult and a pros job and filling out a head for injectors wont work,,,, that fuckign car started first time and engine lasted 9 months before it cracked the pistons under too much boost
09-03-2007, 10:38 AM
#20
DEYTUKURJERBS
8psi into what? 8psi is just a measure of restriction.
its not hard, i know how to do it, and im twincharging the S13, but you obv have no idea even how they work, so its hard.
and unless you a good fabricator, you will need to get the block and charger to a good one.
its not hard, i know how to do it, and im twincharging the S13, but you obv have no idea even how they work, so its hard.
and unless you a good fabricator, you will need to get the block and charger to a good one.
09-03-2007, 11:01 AM
#23
just finding my feet
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Originally Posted by Stavros
8psi into what? 8psi is just a measure of restriction.
its not hard, i know how to do it, and im twincharging the S13, but you obv have no idea even how they work, so its hard.
and unless you a good fabricator, you will need to get the block and charger to a good one.
its not hard, i know how to do it, and im twincharging the S13, but you obv have no idea even how they work, so its hard.
and unless you a good fabricator, you will need to get the block and charger to a good one.
steve where did you get your info on ratio's ?
the fabricating part aint hard as such, ideally id like to see what brackets people use to get idea if that makes sence but thats why its reasearch into it
escort engine bay size aint a issue either
09-03-2007, 11:06 AM
#24
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Originally Posted by neilm
Originally Posted by Stavros
in a word, if you havent a clue, dont bother, as words wont help you.
tell me the last "conversion" you carried out then ?, tell me why your soooo much better than me,,,, id like to know this,,, aswell as HOW THE FUCK DO YOU HAVE A CLUE ABOUT THINGS UNLESS YOU ASK QUESTIONS
did steve just "know" about em or did he learn, take into account i blagged my job and i seem to manage it well,,, even though ive had NO training for it
to know something to need to learn first is that not true,,,, i rebuilt a gearbox with mouth given instructions,,,,,, christ that was hard,,,, wonder how many you have done neil
09-03-2007, 11:11 AM
#25
DEYTUKURJERBS
Originally Posted by Ginge !
Steve where did you get your info on ratio's ?
the fabricating part aint hard as such, ideally id like to see what brackets people use to get idea if that makes sence but thats why its reasearch into it
escort engine bay size aint a issue either
the fabricating part aint hard as such, ideally id like to see what brackets people use to get idea if that makes sence but thats why its reasearch into it
escort engine bay size aint a issue either
And then factor in stuff like how efficient the intercooling is, etc etc.
And even then parts of it will come from guesstimation, experermenting, and experience.
Fabricating is pretty hard as you need some properly strong brackets etc to hold the charger in place, not to mention get a crank pulley and tensioners on.
Engine bay size IS an issue too, even on a pissy little M45, why do you say it isnt?
No offense, but you dont seem the most technically minded person when it comes to engine tuning, and thats going to be the issue.
A mechanic and a tuner is massivley different. Im no mechanic, but im pretty good with forced induction tuning, you seem the other way round.
09-03-2007, 11:14 AM
#26
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Originally Posted by Ginge !
escort engine bay size aint a issue either
09-03-2007, 11:21 AM
#27
what about fitting it as an inlet manifold with a water injection setup?Ginge,just look around the net mate,there are enough decent sites to help you on your way,or possibly ask that guy with the rwd silver fiesta as his was supercharged first.have a look at the specs of a mini,compression ratio,pulley sizes,rev limit,power output etc for a start,and i beleive you look more at flow rates at certain rpms than boost pressure,so look more towards how much a charger will flow at what revs,then look to how you can achieve these revs.itll need to be bolted solidly to the engine regardless and will need someway of keeping the belt tight,so look into this,doesnt the fiesta mentioned earlier use the mounts for an a/c system?at the end of the day its your cash,so if you wanna try it who are we to say no?crack on,try it,report back your findings mate!
09-03-2007, 11:26 AM
#28
DEYTUKURJERBS
Originally Posted by mark
Originally Posted by Ginge !
escort engine bay size aint a issue either
the places there IS room, ie over the box and stuff, there no way to run the charger.
transverse engines suck cock
09-03-2007, 11:27 AM
#29
just finding my feet
Thread Starter
steve theres a good reason why space aint a issue
as for not being technically minded,,,,, again you make alot of assumptions based on my laid back attitude but i manage to do some stuff with no issues and fabrication aint something i find hard,,,,, i can stick my hand to most things and aslong as i dont get bored i can finish it, its loss of interest that i never finish things rather than difficulty
i ask alot of questions to be SURE im looking at things from the right angle
if i was thinking of supercharging the bmw then i would recon the mini charger is prob ok aslong as i fitted a smaller pully, locate it where the air box is, prob get a longer belt like fitted to transit duratec but thats where my thoughts get lost
im pretty good at looking at things from another angle being that im not a mechanic i dont get lost in the " this is how its done" chain of thought most techs use at my work and get confused when they see something new
im about to fit a e30 diff into a e36 case for the LSD,, was told this is a proper difficult job that requires gearing experts ect,,,,,, it looks piss easy to me ( famous last words )
unless i learn about things ill never go forward but id rather fuck up and realsie where i went wrong than be a person who posts on the net " mate cant be done, its fucking too hard, need to get help from nasa scientists to do that job"
as said a zetec conversion i remember being quited 10k years ago,,,,, thats a basic conversion too,,,,, think about them people who make em soumd hard just to justify the costs
steve do you HONESLTY think you could supercharge a 325/328 engine for less than the 8k people are refering to for the bolt on kits ?
as for not being technically minded,,,,, again you make alot of assumptions based on my laid back attitude but i manage to do some stuff with no issues and fabrication aint something i find hard,,,,, i can stick my hand to most things and aslong as i dont get bored i can finish it, its loss of interest that i never finish things rather than difficulty
i ask alot of questions to be SURE im looking at things from the right angle
if i was thinking of supercharging the bmw then i would recon the mini charger is prob ok aslong as i fitted a smaller pully, locate it where the air box is, prob get a longer belt like fitted to transit duratec but thats where my thoughts get lost
im pretty good at looking at things from another angle being that im not a mechanic i dont get lost in the " this is how its done" chain of thought most techs use at my work and get confused when they see something new
im about to fit a e30 diff into a e36 case for the LSD,, was told this is a proper difficult job that requires gearing experts ect,,,,,, it looks piss easy to me ( famous last words
)unless i learn about things ill never go forward but id rather fuck up and realsie where i went wrong than be a person who posts on the net " mate cant be done, its fucking too hard, need to get help from nasa scientists to do that job"
as said a zetec conversion i remember being quited 10k years ago,,,,, thats a basic conversion too,,,,, think about them people who make em soumd hard just to justify the costs
steve do you HONESLTY think you could supercharge a 325/328 engine for less than the 8k people are refering to for the bolt on kits ?
09-03-2007, 11:34 AM
#32
DEYTUKURJERBS
Originally Posted by Ginge !
Steve theres a good reason why space aint a issue
please explain how
as for not being technically minded,,,,, again you make alot of assumptions based on my laid back attitude but i manage to do some stuff with no issues and fabrication aint something i find hard,,,,, i can stick my hand to most things and aslong as i dont get bored i can finish it, its loss of interest that i never finish things rather than difficulty
thats mechanical knowlege, not TUNING knowlege
if i was thinking of supercharging the bmw then i would recon the mini charger is prob ok aslong as i fitted a smaller pully, locate it where the air box is, prob get a longer belt like fitted to transit duratec but thats where my thoughts get lost
mini charger is a bit small for even a 2litre engine IMO unless its a really shit poor flowing one AND you razzing the shit out the charger
im pretty good at looking at things from another angle being that im not a mechanic i dont get lost in the " this is how its done" chain of thought most techs use at my work and get confused when they see something new
its not a mechanical issue thats the main prob, said that
im about to fit a e30 diff into a e36 case for the LSD,, was told this is a proper difficult job that requires gearing experts ect,,,,,, it looks piss easy to me ( famous last words )
who said that? bmw forum types? if no, course they think anythings impossible. as as youve never done it, who knows.
unless i learn about things ill never go forward but id rather fuck up and realsie where i went wrong than be a person who posts on the net " mate cant be done, its fucking too hard, need to get help from nasa scientists to do that job"
it can be done, i can do it, but you havent the foggiest how it works and you obv think its easier than it is
as said a zetec conversion i remember being quited 10k years ago,,,,, thats a basic conversion too,,,,, think about them people who make em soumd hard just to justify the costs
im not justifying owt, i know how to do it and not making out it costs a fortune
Steve do you HONESLTY think you could supercharge a 325/328 engine for less than the 8k people are refering to for the bolt on kits ?
yes, for less than half that. will a LOT more effort, and prob not as fancy looking, but of course. but if i didnt have the tuning knowlege to do it already, 8k wouldnt be so bad afterall. you dont pay just for parts and labour, you pay as THEY know how, and you dont
please explain how
as for not being technically minded,,,,, again you make alot of assumptions based on my laid back attitude but i manage to do some stuff with no issues and fabrication aint something i find hard,,,,, i can stick my hand to most things and aslong as i dont get bored i can finish it, its loss of interest that i never finish things rather than difficulty
thats mechanical knowlege, not TUNING knowlege
if i was thinking of supercharging the bmw then i would recon the mini charger is prob ok aslong as i fitted a smaller pully, locate it where the air box is, prob get a longer belt like fitted to transit duratec but thats where my thoughts get lost
mini charger is a bit small for even a 2litre engine IMO unless its a really shit poor flowing one AND you razzing the shit out the charger
im pretty good at looking at things from another angle being that im not a mechanic i dont get lost in the " this is how its done" chain of thought most techs use at my work and get confused when they see something new
its not a mechanical issue thats the main prob, said that
im about to fit a e30 diff into a e36 case for the LSD,, was told this is a proper difficult job that requires gearing experts ect,,,,,, it looks piss easy to me ( famous last words
)who said that? bmw forum types? if no, course they think anythings impossible. as as youve never done it, who knows.
unless i learn about things ill never go forward but id rather fuck up and realsie where i went wrong than be a person who posts on the net " mate cant be done, its fucking too hard, need to get help from nasa scientists to do that job"
it can be done, i can do it, but you havent the foggiest how it works and you obv think its easier than it is
as said a zetec conversion i remember being quited 10k years ago,,,,, thats a basic conversion too,,,,, think about them people who make em soumd hard just to justify the costs
im not justifying owt, i know how to do it and not making out it costs a fortune
Steve do you HONESLTY think you could supercharge a 325/328 engine for less than the 8k people are refering to for the bolt on kits ?
yes, for less than half that. will a LOT more effort, and prob not as fancy looking, but of course. but if i didnt have the tuning knowlege to do it already, 8k wouldnt be so bad afterall. you dont pay just for parts and labour, you pay as THEY know how, and you dont
09-03-2007, 11:48 AM
#36
just finding my feet
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by Porkie
Steve why are you wasting your time?
im asking for info,,,,, thats it,,,,, hes helping,,,,, how is that wasting time
im LEARNING from someone who knows more about a subject than me,,,,, i dont see the issue with it
ive not seen you reply to any of the other posts about people asking for help, not seen you offer any help,,,,, i guess your going to say that its cause you cant offer technical help ?
then why post " why are you wasting your time" when a person is asking a question
YET at the same time when you seen me down southend a few years ago you APROACHED ME to have a converstation and i never approached you
so you never seemed to have a issue with me then when you came to me to talk ? dont get me wrong i realised at the time its cause there was nobody else to talk to,,,,, but even i aint that insecure that i talk to people cause theres nobody else about,,,,, might be just me
aint it strange how people can be at times in real life yet be different when others are watching
09-03-2007, 11:52 AM
#37
Happily retired
Got involved in Supercharging way back in the 60's.
Bolt to inlet, double pulley on crank, oil feed & drive away. In those days Charger came ready to bolt on with carb already jetted, 40mins Top to fit. The boost was controlled by the size of the pulley. Ah for those easy days.
Great to drive with Boost Low down but not as good as a Turbo as Revs rise. I raised the Boost till the Pistons gave way, you have to learn I suppose , great days.
Rod
ps. My first kit cost £40 complete .
Bolt to inlet, double pulley on crank, oil feed & drive away. In those days Charger came ready to bolt on with carb already jetted, 40mins Top to fit. The boost was controlled by the size of the pulley. Ah for those easy days.
Great to drive with Boost Low down but not as good as a Turbo as Revs rise. I raised the Boost till the Pistons gave way, you have to learn I suppose , great days.
Rod
ps. My first kit cost £40 complete
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09-03-2007, 11:53 AM
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just finding my feet
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Originally Posted by RichardPON
Hands up who thinks this is ever ACTUALLY going to happen?
who said its actually gonna happen,,, you spent HOW much time on you cossie,,,,, all that time and cash and,,, well that didnt happen,,,,, so should you join that same line of dreamers who achive niothing ?
im sure theres LOTS of ideas you have had in life that you then changed your mind about,,,,, but the main thing is some people think and wonder,,,, thats human nature,,,,, why should i be afraid to think JUST cause im worried someone it gonna question me if it never gets done ?
my cossie was more complete than yours when it was nicked,,,,, it wasnt finished cause of that,,, my escort cabrio spec was slightly better than tne majority but wasnt finished cause i went out in a car that dont nothing but wheel spin,,,, i decided a bad idea and scrapped it
these days im asking first THEN buying stuff rather than buy then decided its a shite idea,,,,, thats seems like more sence to me for some reason
09-03-2007, 11:53 AM
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Ginge stop waffling on.... 
I would STILL approach you for a chat if I saw you!!! I don't think you are a bad bloke at all!!!! 
But do I think that you will EVER do any of these things though??? NOT FOR ONE SECOND!!!!!
And so it seemed to be that Steve was wasting his time arguing with you and trying to help you when you won't EVER do anything about it!
My point EXACTLY!
oh and as for complete lack of technical ability with cars??? yes when it comes to hands on stuff I am CRAP. But I do know alot of technical stuff... more than you I would bet!!!!
AND I KNOW THAT ENGINES NEED OIL..... and you need to check it... and if I had a rattly engine it would be the FIRST fucking thing I looked at!!!
unlike yourself 
I would STILL approach you for a chat if I saw you!!! I don't think you are a bad bloke at all!!!! But do I think that you will EVER do any of these things though??? NOT FOR ONE SECOND!!!!!
And so it seemed to be that Steve was wasting his time arguing with you and trying to help you when you won't EVER do anything about it!
Originally Posted by RichardPON
Hands up who thinks this is ever ACTUALLY going to happen?
oh and as for complete lack of technical ability with cars??? yes when it comes to hands on stuff I am CRAP. But I do know alot of technical stuff... more than you I would bet!!!!
AND I KNOW THAT ENGINES NEED OIL..... and you need to check it... and if I had a rattly engine it would be the FIRST fucking thing I looked at!!!
unlike yourself
09-03-2007, 12:08 PM
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lee sorry but you question that i wont ever do this,,,, the reason behind it is ?
ok i KNOW i dont make cars a priority, i have other things i care about more in life, i also look at things RATIONALLY since buying a flat and having a family where before i could spunk all my money and just collect money off my parents for getting to work and eating in there fridge,,,,,, thats reality when you get older
i also find it more interesting going out/playing football with my little girl and due to working i dont get MUCH time to fuck about with cars other than the winter due to working,,,,, dont think that im a dreamer mate,,,, i just take time to do things and work out if things are worth it, ive got a fireplace i stripped out before christmas that ive got 3 ideas what i wanna do with it,,,,, ive STILL not decided yet but that will be done before a hobby will
hell i aint even finished decorating my hallway cause i cant decide what ceiling lamp in want or what picture or picture frames,,,,, im a fussy fucker and these days i would rather the " yes thats what it should be like" rather than the " fuck me why did i bother wasting all that time for this when joe next doors place/car looks the tits"
maybe its me getting old, dreamers are people who aint got a pot to piss in thinking of these big ideas that they cant finish,,,,, they usually buy the cheepest things first then look into the job and either never finish it or go broke doing it
i do research and plan the options then decide if its a good idea or not,,, generally most aint practical to be fair,,,,, like fitting a 4.4 v8 into my e36,,, no time, gonna cost about 5k,,,,, i could just buy a actual e39 540 for the same cash,,,,,, whats gonna be better to drive ?
ok i KNOW i dont make cars a priority, i have other things i care about more in life, i also look at things RATIONALLY since buying a flat and having a family where before i could spunk all my money and just collect money off my parents for getting to work and eating in there fridge,,,,,, thats reality when you get older
i also find it more interesting going out/playing football with my little girl and due to working i dont get MUCH time to fuck about with cars other than the winter due to working,,,,, dont think that im a dreamer mate,,,, i just take time to do things and work out if things are worth it, ive got a fireplace i stripped out before christmas that ive got 3 ideas what i wanna do with it,,,,, ive STILL not decided yet but that will be done before a hobby will
hell i aint even finished decorating my hallway cause i cant decide what ceiling lamp in want or what picture or picture frames,,,,, im a fussy fucker and these days i would rather the " yes thats what it should be like" rather than the " fuck me why did i bother wasting all that time for this when joe next doors place/car looks the tits"
maybe its me getting old, dreamers are people who aint got a pot to piss in thinking of these big ideas that they cant finish,,,,, they usually buy the cheepest things first then look into the job and either never finish it or go broke doing it
i do research and plan the options then decide if its a good idea or not,,, generally most aint practical to be fair,,,,, like fitting a 4.4 v8 into my e36,,, no time, gonna cost about 5k,,,,, i could just buy a actual e39 540 for the same cash,,,,,, whats gonna be better to drive ?