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Old Dec 3, 2006 | 03:02 PM
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Hers my old setup
Mild portet head/intake
2wd manifold
2xbd-14
cosworth racing pistons 7,3:1
turbonetics t34 turbo
light blue injectors

Made 395brake at 6700
and 507nm at 4400rpm

Pulled like an train and spun the wheels in both 1. and 2. gear on dry
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Old Dec 3, 2006 | 03:05 PM
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oh yeah mine makes full power power at 6000 rpm
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Old Dec 3, 2006 | 03:33 PM
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Cossie Sean

Why do you use 205 blocks? arent they the thinner 2wd jobbies? I thought you would have had to swap to a 200 block at this power?
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Old Dec 3, 2006 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Alvyn
Originally Posted by SapphyMike
Standard Head and cams wont do 400bhp IS possible Karl told me most would be around 360bhp.

with any cams more than BD10 the pistons must be pocketed. NOT TRUE

Why the obsession with bhp? your car might make 400bhp but be about as drivable as a squashed slug!
AGAIN NOT TRUE
Im going on what i was told by not just Karl.

and how do you know any 400bhp cos is driveable? it was a generalisation.

its likely it'll drive very well, but you know about most of the bigger power japcars that have been tuned in japan only have a narrow power band

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Old Dec 3, 2006 | 03:40 PM
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my 400 + is very drivable i guess thats the idea behind the std or raised comp
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Old Dec 3, 2006 | 03:58 PM
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what does driveable mean....??? i've got a 420 bhp (well lane rollers... ) it's on standard head/cams 7.5:1 and i think it's easyer to drive round town due to the fact that the turbo comes in a bit later...dont mean to sound like a tart but even our lass likes it better now...she knows when it gets above 3000rpm it's going to get scarey.... and when people say ooo isn't it a bit lagy...no.....just change gear
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Old Dec 3, 2006 | 04:01 PM
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think people mean it pulls like a normally asp car before the turbo cuts in, very interesting topic this people

keep the ideas coming
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Old Dec 3, 2006 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SapphyMike
Originally Posted by Alvyn
Originally Posted by SapphyMike
Standard Head and cams wont do 400bhp IS possible Karl told me most would be around 360bhp.

with any cams more than BD10 the pistons must be pocketed. NOT TRUE

Why the obsession with bhp? your car might make 400bhp but be about as drivable as a squashed slug!
AGAIN NOT TRUE
Im going on what i was told by not just Karl.

and how do you know any 400bhp cos is driveable? it was a generalisation.

its likely it'll drive very well, but you know about most of the bigger power japcars that have been tuned in japan only have a narrow power band

As far as your first q is concerned Mike, one has to set oneself a target. Whilst bhp is not the be all and end all, it helps to work to a goal, else you can just drift between a defined specification.

In respect of the second part of the question, I know where you are coming from, but this was kinda the point of the thread - to make a 400bhp engine that would do the job well, not just do the job. This is the primary reluctance to dropping the comp ratio.

A number here have posted that their low comp cars still drive well throughout which is interesting - this is turning out to be a very good thread - comparing each spec helps to see the pattern of similarities.

JJ
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Old Dec 3, 2006 | 05:13 PM
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Yeah good thread this

Im watching to find out which is the "best" pistons /spec to use with 350ish brake , just for future reference
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Old Dec 3, 2006 | 06:48 PM
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Old Dec 3, 2006 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by rabmc
Yeah good thread this

Im watching to find out which is the "best" pistons /spec to use with 350ish brake , just for future reference

a standard spec engine is good enough easy for 350 bhp.
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Old Dec 3, 2006 | 07:07 PM
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[quote="SapphyMike"]
Originally Posted by Alvyn
Originally Posted by SapphyMike
Standard Head and cams wont do 400bhp IS possible Karl told me most would be around 360bhp.

with any cams more than BD10 the pistons must be pocketed. NOT TRUE

Why the obsession with bhp? your car might make 400bhp but be about as drivable as a squashed slug!
AGAIN NOT TRUE
Im going on what i was told by not just Karl. I find that a bit strange as with the correct set up you COULD see 400 bhp

and how do you know any 400bhp cos is driveable? I had that set up running on L8 with T34 63 running 30psi and all component were standard and HAD no problems!
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Old Dec 3, 2006 | 07:16 PM
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[quote="Alvyn"]
Originally Posted by SapphyMike
Originally Posted by Alvyn
Originally Posted by SapphyMike
Standard Head and cams wont do 400bhp IS possible Karl told me most would be around 360bhp.

with any cams more than BD10 the pistons must be pocketed. NOT TRUE

Why the obsession with bhp? your car might make 400bhp but be about as drivable as a squashed slug!
AGAIN NOT TRUE
Im going on what i was told by not just Karl. I find that a bit strange as with the correct set up you COULD see 400 bhp

and how do you know any 400bhp cos is driveable? I had that set up running on L8 with T34 63 running 30psi and all component were standard and HAD no problems!
same as mate did an engine for my mate, totally standard bottom end with t34.63 ported head, pair of bd10's, greys made 412 bhp with no probs
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Old Dec 3, 2006 | 07:46 PM
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Mine was 8.6:1, with std 200 bottom, just lightened and balanced, long studded, and Arp rod bolts. worked head, and cams.
Gt30, 504bhp and 447 lb/ft on IES engine dyno.


I dont see the piont of dropping the C/R below 7.8:1 on 450 bhp motors.
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Old Dec 4, 2006 | 03:23 PM
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BTTT one more time for the weekday guys!

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Old Dec 4, 2006 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by pete mcrash
what does driveable mean....??? when people say ooo isn't it a bit lagy...no.....just change gear
Quality mate my thoughts exactly!
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Old Dec 4, 2006 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by John Savage
Originally Posted by pete mcrash
what does driveable mean....??? when people say ooo isn't it a bit lagy...no.....just change gear
Quality mate my thoughts exactly!
genrally as a road engine you dont drive around in attack mode,, but relax and drive the car from its wide torque band!

saying that,, i dont mind ringing the guts from an engine
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Old Dec 4, 2006 | 05:11 PM
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Std comp for upto 700bhp.....WRC long studded linered block eec4 block,wrc 4 layer gasket,CP or forged cossie racing pistons pocketed,crank on std grind,shot peened std rods,grp a bolts,grp a cam belt,vernier cam pulleys,bd16 in bd14 out cams,grp a ported head,4 x 1000cc injectors...then add suitable turbo/inlet manifold for bhp...see karl norris for a map on a L8 ecu job done.

400bhp......T34.63 with std inlet cover
450bhp......T38 with 4x4 inlet cover
500bhp..... T4 with EEC4 inlet cover
550bhp.......GT30 with swedish plenum
630bhp.....GT35 with swedish plenum
700bhp.....GT40 with swedish plenum

...obviously the higher the bhp the quicker the wear rate.
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Old Dec 4, 2006 | 09:35 PM
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mine ran 7.56:1 on a t34 .63 at 34psi peak and the difference from its previous stg1 engine? (completely std engine on stg1 chip,exhaust and air filter) was that it felt......................the bloody same off boost!i THINK the turbo spooled all of a couple of hundred rpm later,the only REAL difference in them was the MASSIVE bang the turbo gave when it came in on the 400bhp spec,other than that it was just as good around town etc...and had a FAR larger power band than my curreent NA e36 bmw 325i!
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Old Dec 5, 2006 | 03:19 PM
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big wig.....my sentiments aswell....
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