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08-11-2006, 09:45 AM
#41
Originally Posted by Sketch
I believe its No2 thats melted hasnt it? But still agree with what you've said ref Doug's working just fine!
Besides if it WAS a distribution issue, Karl would have heard cracks of Det from that cylnder during mapping.
08-11-2006, 10:29 AM
#44
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
I only ask the question, as when Karl first mapped Jim Green's car, it was done one AFR ONLY 
, hence my question .
, hence my question .I can only assume he maps the way that I do, with det cans on.
08-11-2006, 10:45 AM
#47
Originally Posted by SECS
I have seen Harvey map an engine on the dyno WITHOUT using any
form of det monitoring and it was a BIG power engine
form of det monitoring and it was a BIG power engine
.
08-11-2006, 11:04 AM
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5000 to 7800 rpm, 600 bhp peak power - yes it was low speed. 
I did comment about the lack of det checking and I seem to remember he
said something like " I can tell when its detting as I know the dyno sound changes"
He may very well be right as he knows his own dyno best but it worried
the hell out of me as I was adjusting the ignition map from instructions
given by him.
I realise this may sound like a stirring post - it isnt. My point is I do think
experienced tuners may have some kind of "second sight" or intuition
when tuning.
I did comment about the lack of det checking and I seem to remember he
said something like " I can tell when its detting as I know the dyno sound changes"
He may very well be right as he knows his own dyno best but it worried
the hell out of me as I was adjusting the ignition map from instructions
given by him.
I realise this may sound like a stirring post - it isnt. My point is I do think
experienced tuners may have some kind of "second sight" or intuition
when tuning.
08-11-2006, 11:45 AM
#52
Originally Posted by SECS
5000 to 7800 rpm, 600 bhp peak power - yes it was low speed.
I did comment about the lack of det checking and I seem to remember he
said something like " I can tell when its detting as I know the dyno sound changes"
He may very well be right as he knows his own dyno best but it worried
the hell out of me as I was adjusting the ignition map from instructions
given by him.
I realise this may sound like a stirring post - it isnt. My point is I do think
experienced tuners may have some kind of "second sight" or intuition
when tuning.
I did comment about the lack of det checking and I seem to remember he
said something like " I can tell when its detting as I know the dyno sound changes"
He may very well be right as he knows his own dyno best but it worried
the hell out of me as I was adjusting the ignition map from instructions
given by him.
I realise this may sound like a stirring post - it isnt. My point is I do think
experienced tuners may have some kind of "second sight" or intuition
when tuning.
The only person I know who is like that is one of the guys at AVA, and he stands in front of the engine when they do a dyno running listening for det and he can apparently hear the faintest crack above the fan / engine noise, as he has attuned himself to it and can even tell when it is borderline
.
08-11-2006, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
I personally think it is as a result of your high speed escapades with Doug
Mike, just to set the record straight: That evening I was in the Silver Saph Stage 1 (T3/355 light green injectors/NMS Gunship live mapped), and all I did was floor the throtle in 5th gear at 80 MPH until near 150 MPH (indicated) and immediately backed off having pulled a good 6 to 8 car lenghts on SiB car. Even if i was in the Es Cos I dont think I would have held it on WOT any longer TBH. Simon (SiB) also backed off as soon as he got past me.
08-11-2006, 11:53 AM
#55
Doug,
The only point I was making is that the car needs to be tested to the most extreme speed / load that it is ever likely to achieve, any less and the second you go above that - GAME OVER. This is something I have had happen in my own experience, so know how important it is
.
Tested to worse case scenario, it doesn't matter WHAT you throw at it, it will be safe. This is why I always think the BEST place to map is on a long runway and NOT the road. Since sticking with that, I haven't had any engine failures....
The only point I was making is that the car needs to be tested to the most extreme speed / load that it is ever likely to achieve, any less and the second you go above that - GAME OVER. This is something I have had happen in my own experience, so know how important it is
.Tested to worse case scenario, it doesn't matter WHAT you throw at it, it will be safe. This is why I always think the BEST place to map is on a long runway and NOT the road. Since sticking with that, I haven't had any engine failures....
08-11-2006, 12:11 PM
#57
Originally Posted by CossieRich
Harvey mapping a 600bhp car without DET cans You sure you dont want to change tuner Mike 
You sure you dont want to change tuner Mike .Just got this message though - "Sorry, the number you are trying has blocked your number. Please don't try again later" - WTFs that all about
?
08-11-2006, 12:13 PM
#58
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by CossieRich
Harvey mapping a 600bhp car without DET cans You sure you dont want to change tuner Mike
You sure you dont want to change tuner Mike .Just got this message though - "Sorry, the number you are trying has blocked your number. Please don't try again later" - WTFs that all about
? Try texting him instead 
08-11-2006, 12:36 PM
#59
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Hello all,
Long time since I've posted but during my lunch time browse of the net I thought this was worth a comment.
An interesting post with lots of comments.
Sib's car was fully checked for det and AFR at all rpm's and boost.
However what has been failed to mention is that's Simon was booked in to bring the car back to me due to a running fault which had developed some time after I had mapped the car.
I advised simon to not drive the car as he clearly had ECU signal issues. In spite of this I then read on hear he has been thrashing the car!!!! The only fault here is simons right foot when he knew the car was running with faults!!
Long time since I've posted but during my lunch time browse of the net I thought this was worth a comment.
An interesting post with lots of comments.
Sib's car was fully checked for det and AFR at all rpm's and boost.
However what has been failed to mention is that's Simon was booked in to bring the car back to me due to a running fault which had developed some time after I had mapped the car.
I advised simon to not drive the car as he clearly had ECU signal issues. In spite of this I then read on hear he has been thrashing the car!!!! The only fault here is simons right foot when he knew the car was running with faults!!
08-11-2006, 12:49 PM
#62
Originally Posted by Karl
Hello all,
Long time since I've posted but during my lunch time browse of the net I thought this was worth a comment.
An interesting post with lots of comments.
Sib's car was fully checked for det and AFR at all rpm's and boost.
However what has been failed to mention is that's Simon was booked in to bring the car back to me due to a running fault which had developed some time after I had mapped the car.
I advised simon to not drive the car as he clearly had ECU signal issues. In spite of this I then read on hear he has been thrashing the car!!!! The only fault here is simons right foot when he knew the car was running with faults!!
Long time since I've posted but during my lunch time browse of the net I thought this was worth a comment.
An interesting post with lots of comments.
Sib's car was fully checked for det and AFR at all rpm's and boost.
However what has been failed to mention is that's Simon was booked in to bring the car back to me due to a running fault which had developed some time after I had mapped the car.
I advised simon to not drive the car as he clearly had ECU signal issues. In spite of this I then read on hear he has been thrashing the car!!!! The only fault here is simons right foot when he knew the car was running with faults!!
.
08-11-2006, 01:04 PM
#65
Originally Posted by Karl
Hello all,
Long time since I've posted but during my lunch time browse of the net I thought this was worth a comment.
An interesting post with lots of comments.
Sib's car was fully checked for det and AFR at all rpm's and boost.
However what has been failed to mention is that's Simon was booked in to bring the car back to me due to a running fault which had developed some time after I had mapped the car.
I advised simon to not drive the car as he clearly had ECU signal issues. In spite of this I then read on hear he has been thrashing the car!!!! The only fault here is simons right foot when he knew the car was running with faults!!
Long time since I've posted but during my lunch time browse of the net I thought this was worth a comment.
An interesting post with lots of comments.
Sib's car was fully checked for det and AFR at all rpm's and boost.
However what has been failed to mention is that's Simon was booked in to bring the car back to me due to a running fault which had developed some time after I had mapped the car.
I advised simon to not drive the car as he clearly had ECU signal issues. In spite of this I then read on hear he has been thrashing the car!!!! The only fault here is simons right foot when he knew the car was running with faults!!
A valuable but fucking expensive lesson to be learning!
Si B, a knocklink *MAY* have warned of this and id worse considering for the new engine.
08-11-2006, 01:09 PM
#66
Originally Posted by Karl
Hello all,
I advised simon to not drive the car as he clearly had ECU signal issues. In spite of this I then read on hear he has been thrashing the car!!!! The only fault here is simons right foot when he knew the car was running with faults!!
I advised simon to not drive the car as he clearly had ECU signal issues. In spite of this I then read on hear he has been thrashing the car!!!! The only fault here is simons right foot when he knew the car was running with faults!!
The truth be told now.
I still feel for you Simon. Its so hard to resist that kick in the back.
Steve.
08-11-2006, 03:51 PM
#68
Originally Posted by chip-3door
Si, you dont want 4 lambda sensors, no need for it at all IMHO.
What you want is 1 lamda sensors, and 4 nice cheap temp senders.
That way you can see the average AFR, and the temp difference will tell you if one is doing more than another,.
What you want is 1 lamda sensors, and 4 nice cheap temp senders.
That way you can see the average AFR, and the temp difference will tell you if one is doing more than another,.
08-11-2006, 03:59 PM
#69
Originally Posted by chip-3door
Si B, a knocklink *MAY* have warned of this and id worse considering for the new engine.
what's a knock link when it's at home them?
is that what they were trying to get in mission impossible?
everyones gone all techy on us non nerds and no one is explaining
please?
thank you
08-11-2006, 04:26 PM
#70
Originally Posted by dojj
Originally Posted by chip-3door
Si B, a knocklink *MAY* have warned of this and id worse considering for the new engine.
what's a knock link when it's at home them?
is that what they were trying to get in mission impossible?
everyones gone all techy on us non nerds and no one is explaining
please?
thank you
08-11-2006, 04:46 PM
#71
thank you kind sir for the explanation, some more question if yu would be so kind
it's basicly a mic on the engine?
almost like the old school "stick a screwdriver in and to your ear" sort of device yes?
so how do det cans work then?
are they actual cans that youput on your ears (like it's being implied in some posts) or ar they actual bits that do measuring the same way as the knock link?
it's basicly a mic on the engine?
almost like the old school "stick a screwdriver in and to your ear" sort of device yes?
so how do det cans work then?
are they actual cans that youput on your ears (like it's being implied in some posts) or ar they actual bits that do measuring the same way as the knock link?
08-11-2006, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Doug Stirling
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
I personally think it is as a result of your high speed escapades with Doug
Mike, just to set the record straight: That evening I was in the Silver Saph Stage 1 (T3/355 light green injectors/NMS Gunship live mapped), and all I did was floor the throtle in 5th gear at 80 MPH until near 150 MPH (indicated) and immediately backed off having pulled a good 6 to 8 car lenghts on SiB car. Even if i was in the Es Cos I dont think I would have held it on WOT any longer TBH. Simon (SiB) also backed off as soon as he got past me.
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08-11-2006, 09:34 PM
#76
dojj read on
afr gauge
http://www.zeitronix.com/Products/zt2/zt2.htm
and knock link
http://www.thor-racing.co.uk/Knock_L...LNK_KL_KIT.asp
knock box (what i have linked to my logger)
http://www.thor-racing.co.uk/KNOCK_BLOCK_-LNK_KNKB.asp
there u go thatll keep u busy for a min
afr gauge
http://www.zeitronix.com/Products/zt2/zt2.htm
and knock link
http://www.thor-racing.co.uk/Knock_L...LNK_KL_KIT.asp
knock box (what i have linked to my logger)
http://www.thor-racing.co.uk/KNOCK_BLOCK_-LNK_KNKB.asp
there u go thatll keep u busy for a min
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