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Mark,
do you honestly believe that there is no difference between Mountune,Harveys and Fords TUV type approved dynos and Simons non TUV type approved dyno??
what does the new fixed engine rev to now then??
do you honestly believe that there is no difference between Mountune,Harveys and Fords TUV type approved dynos and Simons non TUV type approved dyno??
what does the new fixed engine rev to now then??
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Originally Posted by justin.e
Mark,
do you honestly believe that there is no difference between Mountune,Harveys and Fords TUV type approved dynos and Simons non TUV type approved dyno??
what does the new fixed engine rev to now then??
do you honestly believe that there is no difference between Mountune,Harveys and Fords TUV type approved dynos and Simons non TUV type approved dyno??
what does the new fixed engine rev to now then??
But there is always reasons why you should have some kind of accredition when dealing with large companies much like Dyno dynamics do with there shootout in Auss and other countries,
If you look at the correction factors on a super flow dyno this tells you how much up or down that it adjusts and in daves case the fig is about 2.5% which means it adjusted it upwards only about 10hp and 10ftlb and this was due to the weather/temp to keep it consitant as it was meant to,
The engine will rev to 8200rpm and will hold the power past 7.5k.
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Any one who thinks a particular engine managment type makes more
power than another is ignorant of the technology and principles.
If "XXXX" ecu was the best, dont you think F1 cars would have it
Dont forget RS500's were making 550 bhp + in the 1980's on ecu's with
less computing power than a L6.
Same engine dyno tested with two ecu's producing the same fuel pulse
widths and same ignition timing values will deliver the same BHP/Torque.
However, I will say Its all about the mapping/setting up and modern ecu's
are easier and quicker to map.
Trouble is the mappers still charge the same amount of money for doing
less work.
power than another is ignorant of the technology and principles.
If "XXXX" ecu was the best, dont you think F1 cars would have it
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Dont forget RS500's were making 550 bhp + in the 1980's on ecu's with
less computing power than a L6.
Same engine dyno tested with two ecu's producing the same fuel pulse
widths and same ignition timing values will deliver the same BHP/Torque.
However, I will say Its all about the mapping/setting up and modern ecu's
are easier and quicker to map.
Trouble is the mappers still charge the same amount of money for doing
less work.
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Originally Posted by justin.e
Yum
you take the piss out of Tonys mid range what did your make at 8k...
going back to the crank pulley issued you had on the dyno would that have swung your cam timing??
you take the piss out of Tonys mid range what did your make at 8k...
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going back to the crank pulley issued you had on the dyno would that have swung your cam timing??
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This is what l posted!!
CossieRich wrote:
Good stuff. Bet that accelerates rapido
Rich little low down on the lb-ft
So when did l say about the mid range????
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Originally Posted by justin.e
Tony's engine was designed to be a rev monster which it is
so those cams will dictate what torque it makes which partially explains the difference the rest of the difference is due to the fact that Harveys dyno is tuv type aproved hope this clears that up Rich?
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Originally Posted by Dannn
Originally Posted by justin.e
Tony's engine was designed to be a rev monster which it is
so those cams will dictate what torque it makes which partially explains the difference the rest of the difference is due to the fact that Harveys dyno is tuv type aproved hope this clears that up Rich?
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Originally Posted by Dannn
Originally Posted by justin.e
Tony's engine was designed to be a rev monster which it is
so those cams will dictate what torque it makes which partially explains the difference the rest of the difference is due to the fact that Harveys dyno is tuv type aproved hope this clears that up Rich?
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Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Originally Posted by Dannn
Originally Posted by justin.e
Tony's engine was designed to be a rev monster which it is
so those cams will dictate what torque it makes which partially explains the difference the rest of the difference is due to the fact that Harveys dyno is tuv type aproved hope this clears that up Rich?
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Originally Posted by cossiemanden
Originally Posted by Dannn
Originally Posted by justin.e
Tony's engine was designed to be a rev monster which it is
so those cams will dictate what torque it makes which partially explains the difference the rest of the difference is due to the fact that Harveys dyno is tuv type aproved hope this clears that up Rich?
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Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
Dann my own 600bhp engine has a std exhaust cam.
..thats no secret!!!
..thats no secret!!!
Phil i thought it was a 600bhp engine and then since then you advanced the timing and gained loads more power? Surely it must be 650 by now?
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Originally Posted by SECS
Any one who thinks a particular engine managment type makes more
power than another is ignorant of the technology and principles.
power than another is ignorant of the technology and principles.
Originally Posted by SECS
If "XXXX" ecu was the best, dont you think F1 cars would have it
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Originally Posted by SECS
Dont forget RS500's were making 550 bhp + in the 1980's on ecu's with
less computing power than a L6.
less computing power than a L6.
Originally Posted by SECS
Same engine dyno tested with two ecu's producing the same fuel pulse
widths and same ignition timing values will deliver the same BHP/Torque.
widths and same ignition timing values will deliver the same BHP/Torque.
Originally Posted by SECS
However, I will say Its all about the mapping/setting up and modern ecu's
are easier and quicker to map.
Trouble is the mappers still charge the same amount of money for doing
less work.
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are easier and quicker to map.
Trouble is the mappers still charge the same amount of money for doing
less work.
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chip-3door look out for such things as individual injector trimming on L8 in the future
just because the technology is old, doesn't mean it's redundant and not getting any useful development
there's plenty of processing power in there yet
as regards fuelling, you know that resolution becomes less important when you can implement closed loop strategies to take care of the low load stuff
maybe even more in the future of L8 with WB input
doesn't help with the ignition though
not until automatic and sophisticated electronic knock sensing (using pressure, ionisation or whatever) becomes more widely used
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as regards fuelling, you know that resolution becomes less important when you can implement closed loop strategies to take care of the low load stuff
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doesn't help with the ignition though
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Dann,
On a T4 equipped car, a standard (BD8) exhaust cam will help spool up at the expense of power beyond 7000rpm. It is a common practive to use a lairy inlet amd mild exhaust cam in this kind of application
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Mark,
Would be nice to see Simon's dyno TUV accredited, then at least we would KNOW for sure that everything will be spot on and DIRECTLY comparible. Unchecked though, the best analogy I can think of, is that it's a bit like believing a factory speedo to be accurate....
Yum,
Can't wait for your car to be finished, as I think Mark (as usual
), has done you proud
. I hope you achieve everything you want with it
. My engine should be ready by end of November - doubt I'll be posting the dyno graph up after this though
.
On a T4 equipped car, a standard (BD8) exhaust cam will help spool up at the expense of power beyond 7000rpm. It is a common practive to use a lairy inlet amd mild exhaust cam in this kind of application
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Mark,
Would be nice to see Simon's dyno TUV accredited, then at least we would KNOW for sure that everything will be spot on and DIRECTLY comparible. Unchecked though, the best analogy I can think of, is that it's a bit like believing a factory speedo to be accurate....
Yum,
Can't wait for your car to be finished, as I think Mark (as usual
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Mark,
Would be nice to see Simon's dyno TUV accredited, then at least we would KNOW for sure that everything will be spot on and DIRECTLY comparible. Unchecked though, the best analogy I can think of, is that it's a bit like believing a factory speedo to be accurate....
Would be nice to see Simon's dyno TUV accredited, then at least we would KNOW for sure that everything will be spot on and DIRECTLY comparible. Unchecked though, the best analogy I can think of, is that it's a bit like believing a factory speedo to be accurate....
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
Dann my own 600bhp engine has a std exhaust cam.
..thats no secret!!!
..thats no secret!!!
Phil i thought it was a 600bhp engine and then since then you advanced the timing and gained loads more power? Surely it must be 650 by now?
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So yes i can say its a 600bhp engine as it would make it at stupid boost..remember its a MAD/NMS/REYLAND collaberation
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Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
Originally Posted by chip-3door
Originally Posted by Bosch-Man
Dann my own 600bhp engine has a std exhaust cam.
..thats no secret!!!
..thats no secret!!!
Phil i thought it was a 600bhp engine and then since then you advanced the timing and gained loads more power? Surely it must be 650 by now?
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So yes i can say its a 600bhp engine as it would make it at stupid boost..remember its a MAD/NMS/REYLAND collaberation
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Yum,
Can't wait for your car to be finished, as I think Mark (as usual
), has done you proud
. I hope you achieve everything you want with it
. My engine should be ready by end of November - doubt I'll be posting the dyno graph up after this though
.
Can't wait for your car to be finished, as I think Mark (as usual
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You're a woman - KNOW YOUR LIMITS
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Originally Posted by Doug Stirling
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
You're a woman - KNOW YOUR LIMITS
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Seems harsh on Jen
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
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She laughed cause she looked at you up and and down and thought you look like a homo...plus i hope if she had said yes youd called me to do the act like i did for your Jen
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She laughed cause she looked at you up and and down and thought you look like a homo...plus i hope if she had said yes youd called me to do the act like i did for your Jen
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Originally Posted by justin.e
Yum,
this is like drawing for kids so follow the dotted line
you did mention lb ft and where would that be peaked(midrange)??
this is like drawing for kids so follow the dotted line
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you did mention lb ft and where would that be peaked(midrange)??
Fact
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Good stuff. Bet that accelerates rapido
Rich little low down on the lb-ft
Where does the above say midrange
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What l ment to rich's reply about it accelerates rapido is
Thought it should have alot more torque!!!, that plays a big facter in accelerating. My old engine had 470BHP and 430 torque and rich went out in that. With only a little more torque it wont feel much faster
Hope that clears that up
What l ment to rich's reply about it accelerates rapido is
Thought it should have alot more torque!!!, that plays a big facter in accelerating. My old engine had 470BHP and 430 torque and rich went out in that. With only a little more torque it wont feel much faster
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Originally Posted by MAD YUM
Justin
What l ment to rich's reply about it accelerates rapido is
Thought it should have alot more torque!!!, that plays a big facter in accelerating. My old engine had 470BHP and 430 torque and rich went out in that. With only a little more torque it wont feel much faster
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What l ment to rich's reply about it accelerates rapido is
Thought it should have alot more torque!!!, that plays a big facter in accelerating. My old engine had 470BHP and 430 torque and rich went out in that. With only a little more torque it wont feel much faster
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Might not FEEL much faster in gear, but will hang onto each gear for longer and be quicker in reality.
If you both had similar torque, but he is in a gear lower at a given speed, he is going to leave you standing.
with correct use of gears its BHP and NOT torque that determines the acceleration of a car.
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
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Justin
What l ment to rich's reply about it accelerates rapido is
Thought it should have alot more torque!!!, that plays a big facter in accelerating. My old engine had 470BHP and 430 torque and rich went out in that. With only a little more torque it wont feel much faster
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What l ment to rich's reply about it accelerates rapido is
Thought it should have alot more torque!!!, that plays a big facter in accelerating. My old engine had 470BHP and 430 torque and rich went out in that. With only a little more torque it wont feel much faster
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Hope that clears that up
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Might not FEEL much faster in gear, but will hang onto each gear for longer and be quicker in reality.
If you both had similar torque, but he is in a gear lower at a given speed, he is going to leave you standing.
with correct use of gears its BHP and NOT torque that determines the acceleration of a car.
Chip it doesnt mater now as it was a example and that engine is well long gone.
Now my new conversion is so much diffrent
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