Dan i agree totally as regards the laws on imigration mate they are far too loose! but anyway back on topic.

 

This ones gettin messy but i'm gonna throw in another 2 pence worth,

Its a case of whats good for the goose should be good for the gander
I can't believe how long it took them to arrest and get rid of that cunt with the hook hand abu hamza, who was inciting hatred towards other ethnic/religeous groups, and doing it in my back yard fuckin frustrating,

if a white person dressed up like a nazi and started shouting white power etc etc i fuckin bet it wouldn't take long for them to get arrested

Charlie

 

Dan - sikhs wear turbans as they do not cut their hair and thus have it tied into a knot at the top of the head. The turban is placed on top to cover the hair. The turban (and in essence the long hair) represents one of the 5 "k"s that symbolises sikhism.

Asking to remove the turban is seen as an insult and forcing someone to do it will cause a massive shit storm.

 

Don't really think there's much people actually interested in the topic now!

 

Thought it was something along those lines, thanks for taking the time to explain

 

i agree with straw

 

Well then the people that bomb this country and were born here are even worse!!
I was young at the time of the IRA problems british people were having so i cannot comment to much on how we or they were percieved here or in Ireland....What i know is what is happening now and how it makes me feel.

I shall not comment again as i do have some respect and this certainly isnt the place to be doing it but ...
This IS my country, I AM entitled to my view, and YES i am a woman with an opinion when it comes to protecting my children.

Enough said and I dont mean to offend any one person only the belief that to mindlessly slaughter inoccent men, women and children in this country CANNOT be tollerated and i dont give a dogs dangley what nationality or religious belief that may be but seems to me that at this present time its a Muslim one.

 

I dont know about anyone else, but I can just feel the tension whenever this sort of thing is mentioned on the news or in the press and I feel its just going to kick off big time shortly.


People are just fed up with it.

And a lot of the people who are fed up are just angry, they arent racists, they are fed up with whats going on in this country at the moment, but its all too easy to brand them racists because they are unhappy and prepared to speak out about what they see as an injustice.

 

and as I see it, THAT's the problem.............people are fed up having the piss taken out of them. It isn't a veil or no veil issue) but I agree with Straw) or a black or white issue. If everyone other than a UK national was pink it woiuldn't make any difference as long as they weren't taking the piss. Whilst not picking out any Islamic nation for any reason other than the relevance to this conversation if a group of UK youngsters went to say Dubai and were on the beach, the girls topless there would be a proper shit storm. You're not abiding by the country's laws and respecting local culture and tradition. As I see it, that's what jolly foreigner is doing in the UK - taking the piss. And by no means is it the Muslim faith on it's own. The Kosovans, Russians, Albanians and everyone else are just as bad.

This country is full now. We should now shut the gates on immigratrion, we're packed to the gunnels. If anyone takes that as racist, that's up to you but that's how I see it and I doubt very much I'm alone in that view.

 

maybe some but not all.. i think it's important to get that straight!

My girlfriend's muslim, (she's from Indonesia) and she doesn't run round in a hijab (spelling?) detests the terrorist acts that have taken place here and in other places in the name of islam and is a general all round nice person... in fact probably more warm hearted, caring and hard working than most English people I know.

But at the same time I do agree that (particularly) the muslim community can be quite insular and that many more extreme/radical muslims may well have a private agenda which may not be good for the rest of the country.

as far as Jack Straw's comments go, from what I've heard/read he is only asking them to consider showing their face.. it's by no means being forced upon the ladies in question, and so is up to them. I find the hijab somewhat unnerving personally, but I can respect the beliefs of the people who feel they want to wear them too.

 

The only sensible post on this topic

 

Does that Surprise you though Rich? I Agree with you. But it seems if any Western Person dares comment on Muslims ways they ALL jump on the bandwagon.

I was listening to Jermmy Vine yesterday and they had someone on there, Simon rushdee (sp) And he was soooooooooo right saying we should not pander to extremists veiws as it would only get worse. Take the Cartoons that was printed! who the hell are they to say what we can and cannot print! it should have been printed everywhere. Now because of that they will feel they have won and cause more agro.

Neilm i totally agree also, the way things are going its all going to flare up big time soon

 

pmsl

 

Totally agree with Neil we are seeing the results of years of left wing politically correct dogooders who have eroded our National Identity and turned our country into a joke!

Muslims DO have an agenda, they DO NOT want to integrate into our society and yes I AM tarring them all with the same brush and until they put their own house in order I will continue to have the same generalised view

 

I think it's a typical case of give and take.

As Rich says there's no rules against wearing viels. However Jack Straw has explained his problems with viels and admire that.

Now what we should have hear is some common respect and understanding but like a lot of other tales in this area peoples guards are going up.

We need to respect peoples religous views, after all it's their right, however at the same time people (including ourselves) need to respect our nationalities fundemental social backgrounds. So in some respects that may come back to how we dress, speak and communicate.

The goes for spitting on the floor and swearing in public as much as it goes for wearing viels or not being able to walk through metal detectors.

 

I know i know didnt have a clue how to spell it but atleast you know who i mean. aka Salman Rushdie

 

I was seeing a Muslim girl for 18 months till recently and at her mosque they are told they should only mix with white people at work, have no white friends and spend money only in asian shops and socialise amongst themselves. They all send their money back 'home' to relatives and even force the girls to marry men from 'home' so they can get passports.

I have a pretty good insight into that particular community, I know there are many different strains of Muslims and each mosque may practise a slightly dirrerent strain of the religion.

But i KNOW what happend in that Mosque and it makes my blood fucking boil. Why should we up with that behaviour in our country. Nobody on here can justify that.

 

ps. If they are happy wearing veils over here, i hope my other half is welcome to wear her two piece in the hot weather in the middle east

or not as the case may be.........

 

Yeah Matt I do agree these integration and Mosque issues do need to be addressed by these communities.

Just seems the climate at the moment is going to make that harder than ever.

 

According to the Radio 1 text poll, 99% of the listeners agree with Jack Straw.

I do think that if we have to abide by their beliefs in their countries then they should do the same here with our beliefs

 

All the ugly ones can keep the veils on.

 

Except that the comparison you're making is flawed.

Got to a lot of middle eastern countries, and it will probably be a single faith based society, or at least based around religionjs of a similar belief.

This country? You really think, in 2006, this is a still a Christian country, that has a faith by which most people should abide? We are mutli-cultural, and all the better for it, so we are in the position to be more accepting of others.

The point that people have made that is valid, is that we have no problem accepting other religions and faiths, but it is when those people use our acceptance againist us, that is what pisses people off.

Unfortunately, there is also a large undercurrent of ignorant lower and middle class scum in this country, who just want to, and I quote, "ban the little paki in the body dress".

What surprises me the most though, is why people are shocked that other religions often don't want to integrate. If you got shouted, taunted, and abused for wearing a veil, turban, or other such piece of religious dress, would you want to spend time around people who did that?

 

ditto!

its a joke cos they can get bus passes n other forms of ID and not have to take their veils off, so any fooker could just use there pass

 

agreee with your first point but totally disagree with your second. I can understand how you feel n everythign but you're being unfair... specifically by tarring them all with the same brush.. because of a minority of white english being racist bigots does that mean that we should all be tarred with the same brush? do we have to put our "house in order" before anyone should give us the time of day?

 

This has been a MASSIVE issue for our revenue protection team at work. The be all and end all is that if someone is wearing a vale, regardless of their skin colour or religion, then that is their choice, and we are NOT allowed to challange them to see if the photo on a pass is a "good likeness" to the holder behind the vale - as if we did, then we would be called racist and abusive for doing what in retrospect, is our jobs and carrying out our duties. - fucking glad i'm going driving

The whole thing stinks to high heavan, but its the way it is.

However, I aggree with Jack Straw about the whole situation of vale removal for communication purposes - I find it difficult to speak to someone who's mouth is covered for one reason or another, as my periferal hearing is shite so I have to lipread. Anyone who knows me will tell you that unless I look at them when in conversation, then I will not hear what they are saying, even tho my hearing is clear as a bell


On a lighter note - A good reason for keeping the vale on is the fact that some people appear to brush their teeth with dogshit - the vale stops unwanted smells escaping

 

Also to you trust someone who is hiding their face? I wouldnt

 

i mite start wearing a baraclarva when im doing my banking or when going to the local cornershop

get my passport photos with a 'clava' on

 

clava charva

 

some of you seem to easily use the words refugee and im sure your freely using it towards anyone who is not white.

those people who live here and still talk shit about killing british like that uptight mislead one hand guy then yeah, he needs to fuck of coz he's makin a big fool of hmself livin here and talkin shit about it.

but its not really about what colour or national someone is, as long as they are a positive fair person not sitin on their arse all their lives claiming of tax payers. the way i see it is as long as your makin progress and a good decent citizen then it should'nt matter what race you are.

 

Spot bollock on!!

 

I agree with Jack Straws reasoning..I like to see somebodys face when I talk to them..(as Graceland says because I can't hear for shit..especially if somebody has any sort of accent)..that's nothing against their culture/religion..

If I went somewhere that was a religious country etc that wanted women to wear veils..I would wear one just to respect their way of life..the same way you cover your shoulders at the Vatican..to respect the beliefs of those people..

I'm totally in support of the wearing of headscarves/turbans or the covering of arms/legs/anything else..except the face..that's whether some is wearing a veil, a balaclarva (sp?) or a cycling helmet..nothing to do with race/beliefs..just being able to see who you are talking to...

 

lock them more like and throw the key away

 

i dotn agree with the taking of the turbons off put i definately agree with them removing the all over bodysuits, have you ever seen one with a bus pass you cant even see their bloody face so wats the point????
Rules are there for a reason and the SHOULD stick to OUR RULES ITS OUR COUNTRY!!!!!

my 4 yo cousin said a quality one the other day as they live in Tottenham were they speak 95 languages in the area

'they look like power rangers' hahaha now i thought that was funny lol

 

PMSL!

 

no, i dont NEED to know why they wear them. All i KNOW is it is law in the UK to wear crah helmets on a bike. So its one rules for one and one for another....nothing racist, nothing prejudice just common sense.

Im all for multiculture i wish we all got on, but stuff like this will always get in the way of that!

 

fair dos just seen your reply Ran, and if it is offensive to ask them then we shouldnt But they shouldnt therefore be allowed on a motorcycle as it is an OFFENSE to not wear a helmet in this country!

 

100% spot on Neil!

 

Who are also ironically the same ones speeding in heavily populated areas, dropping litter, smashing up bus shelters and phone boxes, drinking on the streets, fighting on the streets, complaining they have to recycle...

...then sit in the pub preaching to the world that we're loosing our 'national identity'.

 

I havent missed any point Richard and I am definately NOT a racist.I am Totally sick and tired to the back teeth of people telling me what I can and cannot say because it may be offensive.I am not and will never be politically correct and I resent the fact that my freedom of speech is being eroded away by this fookin government.If you choose to live in the united kingdom then you have to accept that christmas is celebrated here and that we choose to fly the union jack when events like the world cup are taking place.You have to accept that news readers like fiona bruce wants to wear a cross with christ on it when reading the news because that is her choice.If offended by all this,then you know where the airport is.I have served in the forces and in the middle east,when accompanied by a female she must cover up and walk 5 paces behind you.Is that fair?I think not.We live by their rules in their country and their rules in this country.Pretty soon we wont be able to call brummies,scousers,cockneys or geordies will we?or maybe we dont take the piss out of political correctness like those that come here from afar.Hell we even allow the extremists to preach hate and murder in our streets.

 

Just to point out that being 'anti-Muslim' is not rascist. Islam is a religion and is followed by many races.

Former Yugoslavia experienced Ethnic cleansing in the 90's and it was a direct result of feeling they had no other option - It sound sawful to say it but the Muslim communities had expanded to such an extenet that they were exploiting policy through their numbers.
In an episode of Panorama I saw last summer they quoted some Muslim chap as saying that Islam was a serious attempt at world domination not unlike Communism or Fascism. Empires are conquered from within and through numbers.

I for one see a major storm on the Horizon.