I was actually taught by a grade 1 police driver and they are taught to pull before you push for smoother and more controlled steering. You should never cross your hands and slide the steering wheel, as this could lead to losing control. And never grip the steering wheel with your thumbs around the wheel, because if you do lose control and the steering wheel snaps back you will break your thumb and never regain control! However i hardly ever use their techniques for steering now, just out of laziness . What is useful is how they actually read the road and you can drive much faster and safer.

 

I had to learn this for my Advanced Test and having a serving Traffic cop sat beside you does focus the mind!

It takes a bit of getting used to but eventually it becomes normal though I admit I've lapsed a bit (laziness) and only do an occasional run with the full blown push-pull and commentary every now and again.

Stick with it - it certainly made my driving much smoother and I reckon I do get places quicker and defo more relaxed.

 

Can someone expain to me what this push/pull hting is? I cannot get that from this tread.

 

Bollocks mate, go in a car with a police driver and tell me they cant drive fast enough.

I pullpush all the time when I drive, was taught to drive by my dad who until he recently retired was an advanced police driver. You soon learn to do it all the time when your dad is sat there shouting PULL NOT PUSH when you're turning into a corner on your first driving lesssons. lol

Stops you going round corners like theyre 50p's as well which really gets on my tits when im in a car with someone.

 

Keeping your hands : one at 10 o'clock, one at 2 o'clock, and shuffling the steering wheel between them, basically.

I'm doing ADI shortly, with a view to doing close protection driving. Bloody hard work :/

 

My dad taught me some of the close protection stuff. its good fun to learn, especially as he got to do it in a brand new rolls

 

Steve200+ your describtion sounds like worst kind of steering I know which is something instructors try to beat out of people heads on safe driving courses let alone sports driving courses. SOmethng we call "milking a cow". But I hope it's somethingw rong with describtion or evenmore probably my understanding of it.


What I know about correct steering work basics is:

-if you don't have to swap hands on the wheel you just turn as you hold it even to full crossing of hands if it's circut racing and youknow you can do it like that
-if you have to swap hands you move first the one on the side in which you turna and you put it as far to other side as you expect to need, in case of goingto full lock you put it on the top of steering wheel and start turning when your other hand is in place of this one beginng originally you swap them and so on....

I hope I can describe it acurately.


I saw some remark about thumbs - 10% spot on - with exeption. In very fast driving when you make only small steering movements you hold with thumbs inside for better control especially on bumpy surfaces.



All those things are easier to show :-/

 

Azrael The general theory behind push and pull on fast road driving is basically what you said. But you dont PUSH the steering wheel as it leads to unsmooth movements (what you want to avoid) so you pull the wheel with the hand the same direction as the corner. So left bend pull with left hand. right hand should only be holding the wheel not actually applying any pressure.

So, as you approach a sharp right bend. move your right hand round the wheel so you have enough distance to PULL the wheel and not push it round the corner, you should have your other hand pretty much opposite it. so that it still looks like 10 and 2 but they arent in the same place. if that makes sense?

If you push on corners you go round them like you're going round a 50p corner.

 

89XR2 yes it is what schould be done, although I wouldn't be very attached to 10 and 2 hours may be 9 and 3 just as well.


Also so called go-kart turn may be aplied on cars with quick steering in which both hands operated the steering at the same time.


Sometimes in extreme situations you have to push though, like aplying opposite lock suddenly when Cossies rear end has it's won idea about driving line, then speed is more important then smoothnes.

 

I know how 50 pennies look like

 

 

Yeah rally driving/racing etc isnt really the same as rally driving/racing is a very agressive style mostly. some drivers are very smooth etc but most are very aggresive and they dont usually move there hands as they have very little lock. Yeah, when i corner im rarely at 10 and 2 my hands are where i feel they should be from what ive read of the road but always use the hand to pull Also I only ever grip my steering wheel lightly so i can feel what my tyres are doing on the road through my fingertips.. its hard to explain. You're right of course thogh. things like rear end stepping out etc require different techniques. im not really familiar with rwd or 4x4 though. well not at all in fact.

I'm far from a good driver though. I'm always trying to improve. When im in a car with my dad i'm always trying to learn what he's doing, see where he's looking etc.

I'm currently learning LFB and toe and heel as well

 

89XR2 you're right on the track. Don't ever attach yoursef to any rule so that you cannot brake it. Those are mostly guidelines for learners wth advancement you learn to brake them all in certain situations.

LFB - be carefull not to loose it - beginig are sometimes scary Especially when you're not used to sideways.

 

Yeah, i'm trying to find somewhere big enough to try it properly. only really tried it in the snow. I've just been learning to brake normally with my left foot so i can actually control the car with it instead of having a big heavy clutch foot. lol.

 

89XR2 that's right way to do it. With time you'll brake as well as with your right. I currently brake for corners, speed bumps or to slow down soetimes with one sometimes with the other depending on which is over brake pedal. In big emergency only I brake only with right as I need clutch then.

 

That's exactly the way i've been learning still have the occasional.. opps brain wants left leg to press clutch, oops im braking too hard. release it.

 

Everything takes time.


If you practise every day yo won't notice when you're going to be doing huuuge slides with LFB, or intuitevly touching brakes only slightly to keep understeer at bay. That's basics of FWD driving

 

Just wish there was some gravel roads etc near here I could drive on but there really isnt anything

 

You have the same problem as me. :-/

 

My 50 year old mother does that and has done for years. I used to find it highly amusing watching her trying to get out of our residential road at the t-junction with a main 40mph road in rush hour. It got plain scary at times as very few people were doing 40mph and the gaps were tiny to get into.

Tried teaching her how to spin the wheel on the palm but she wasnt impressed and to this day still does that push and pull thing.

Here the examiners dont worry about where your hands are as long as one is on the wheel at all times. You can cross them in your test etc. Just adds fuel to my fire that licences are found in cereal packets here (sometimes)

 

I hope you're joking.

 

I use palm spinnning when i'm doing j turns in the snow. lol shitest way of driving ever.

 

89XR2 there was great rally-driver over here who used to do that at times, but I wouldn't advice that to anyone at any situations. I do that only when eating while driving

 

I usually steer with my knees when i'm eating/drinking. lol

 

I recently eate whole meal from KFC while in jam Never done such stuff before.

 

lol, i was stuck in traffic the other day. first time in years so I just spent the time phoning everyone i could think of to stop me being bored.

 

Don't know what Polish teenagers are like soon after they pass their test but some British guys (including me) are out to impress in some form or another such as nice car, driving ability (or lack of), ICE, styling (also the same over here). When I had learnt how to do that for the junction at the end of my road which was the only place I needed to do it (40mph straight road on a t-junction facing a field), I showed mum how to do it to see if it would help her as she used to struggle with it in rush hour.

So no its not a normal way of driving anymore and was ever only a way of getting out of the junction at the end of my road. Now I have power steering, there is no need

 

1 hand on the wheel

1 hand on the gear stick

1 foot on the throttle

1 foot ready for the clutch

Be totally fooked if i ever had to resit my test tho........

 

Bloody terrible! I only remember half way home that I was going to drive 'properly'! Really was an effort, I suppose the longer you do it the more get used to it, I'm defo lazy with my steering

Z