how do they work.....like on the car of stian...there is a box with a lot of connectors where normally is a coil/heathertank...

are the diffs controled by a computer...or...

 

Those are computer controled, hydraulically operated and they have maps of their own.

I know that on WRC Impreza S10 there are 2200 theoretically possible setups for diffs!!!

 

ya computer controlled,,,, you map diff ramp rates and %slip against wheel speeds,,, and as Azrael correctly says ecu controlled, hydrauically operated

 

It complex and HUUUGELY expensive.

Probably whole system of Escort WRC car is worth more then mint Escos.

 

Azrael

theres no propably about it

 

But Evos and Imprezas get more and more advanced road versions of those systems and pretty impressive they work even if not so expensive.


I think the price is still so huge mostly because of extremly small volume production. It's only tens of units made for WRC cars..

 

Oh yes we do and it makes you look like a pro when it kicks in

Mike

 

It does make you kind of lazy when driving the latest Evo's you just chuck it into a corner completely wrongly and then just turn to the computer and say "there you go, sort that mess out" then you come out of the corner looking like you have ten times the talent you actually do

 

chip-3door still with talented driver Evo is even more impressive. I;ve been out on Warsaw's streets in Polish equivalent of Evo IX FQ340 driven by racing driver and it was most impressive.

 

What you trying to say then Chip

I know what your saying but look at it from the other side of the fence if your any good then you can push it more

Mike

 

Agreed, no matter how good the car is, its still better in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing!

 

chip-3door exept for some cars that are so fucked up with electronics that the only thing good driver can do is kill himself when electronics go mad :-(

 

There is the problem on Evos of the driver trying to drive like he would in a "normal car" and the AYC kicking in and fucking him of in to a hedge because it over corrects,

Mike

but i suppose you two know that anyway

 

jock it was the case with Evo8 which was said to not feel naturally, Evo IX is supposed to be better in this. Certainly we were able to be VERY sideways in it with lots of opposite lock. Nearly crashed when bloody Skoda nearly stopped mid-corner and we were going behind it, it's hard to brake when you'r sideways


I still wait to have my drive in Evo. Only ever been passenger in Evo V and IX. Never driven one :-(

 

I prefer the facility in the newage Scoobs that gives you the choice to turn off the AUTO feature and manually adjust the position between open and locked diff settings (via a thumb wheel). The AUTO position is way to "safe" if you want ultimate sideways action and car control..... unfortunately with this you require some form of skill, but the effects are awesome once mastered.

The EVO's system is way to clinical imho.

 

Ive heard of that, but not felt it particuarly myself, but ive only had a limited amount of time driving one, just mates car, ive never owned one myself and consequently i dont think i ever really pushed it hard enough as a driver to see that, i was trying out the AYC by deliberately getting it wrong so it oversteered and then letting it correct it, which it did very well, but i was doing it on a bend with plenty of space and was "trusting it" not trying to help it, so consequently i didnt get that issue.

Easy to see how it could happen though if both you and the computer are trying to do the same thing at the same time!

 

Fagin do you find AUTO feature a bit slow as I do? I heven't driven MY06 yet buton 05 it made the car overteer too much going out of tight corners, I had to lift off couple of times and even spun into grass once... luckly not on the road.

 

lol @ Azrael regarding the grass.

It is slower to react, but Subaru have been cautious for obvious reasons in the setting. With it in Auto mode though, you can certainly feel the biase to the rear until it detects the fact it needs to start shifting torque.

My car is a MY03, which was the first one to have the DCCD-A , but with the suspension on it the car is very neutral with it in Auto mode. Of course, by adjusting the diff setting to be more open, oversteer can be dialled in by as many bucket loads as your arse will take.


This also comes in to it's own on the drag strip....

A number of the 1/4m drag queen's set the diff to locked position off the line and then immediately change to fully open, once away..... so many uses for such a small button and wheel.

It's all way too much for my brain to cope with.

 

Fagin well the only problem with Scoobies is that for some reason even with top models like Spec.C Subaru always holds back. Rear diff is not very agressive so it doesn't slide, DCCD-A is also mapped to be safe (although as I said can be to slow at times), geometry is set from factory so that car understeers hmm... I always wonder why they never go more extreme. Different geometry, rear diff, mapping and it will destroy evos all day long..Or not?

 

I totally agree with you.

Geometry is one key area that with a proper setup, it can make these cars so much more aggresive and actually handle that much better. The geom. from factory seems to be very safe and also not that accurate.

After further adjustment to geometry my turn-in is pin sharp and very very quick and the car is just so well balanced now.

But I have obviously made a number of mod's including suspension, ARB's and anti dive/lift kit.

As regards to EVO's Vs Scoobs.... I have my own opinion now, which I hope will come to fruition at this years TOTB handling competition.

I will also be interested in the outcome when the car is corner weighted in a few weeks.

As regards to the diff not letting the car slide..... slam one in to fully open diff mode and give it a fistfull....... it will slide then!

 

I know how to slide Scoobs (well there was one in which I failed this winter but corner was far to fast), but the problem is they've given diff that doesn't provoke it so the car is more easy to drive. Also some compromises were made diff-wise so that ABS works better. I miss old age cars that could be bought withoutairbags and ABS but with aircon

 

My mate said to me before instruction...

"Right.... how do we disable the ABS then?!"



And there was me thinking ABS was supposed to help you to stop dying!

 

What's that? That they'll both finish 2nd to Gareth Lloyds Escort?

Shotgun the passenger seat of the scoob one trackday though - looks fast as fook

 

Fagin LOL... the first thing I do on most cars is rip ABS fuse out. On scooby it's very easy

It won't help you not to die if you do something really stupid, ABS is only helpful in some situations and problematic in some others.


I hope your friend convinced you?

 

Rich,
That video is low speed driving mate..... you best ride shot gun with Simon driving it, as I aint no good at high speed driving (yet).

As regards to Gareths car.... that is truly awesome.

 

LoL

Shaun


that will be soon fooked up with your big fat lard ass in the driving seat

lenny

 

Marco,

Lard arse or not..... the car will be corner weighted with me IN THE CAR you curly haired kiddy fiddler!!!!!

 

makes no differance you can't drive anyway





lenny

 

Kiddy Fiddler,
My car with a suspension strut off a corsa in one corner, a range rover in another corner, a metro in another corner and a mini in the last corner with Stevie Wonder driving would be quicker than you in your museum piece!!!

 

oi patch

listen, you can race my museum piece on any circuit you like

i'll make your 4wd snail look stupid , you don't need 4wd on a dry tarmac surface to go fast

the only thing you will be "ACTIVE" with is the steering wheel and your gearbox trying to catch the 2wd museum piece

and lose a few kilo the car might go a bit quicker

you couldn't handle a 2wd anyway


oh by the way , you can eat my shorts

Lenny

 

 

Your 2WD diff is so archaic, I loose less power through both of my diffs than that tractor derived, slow reacting, rubber band powered thing you have.

Thats the EXACT kind of response I would expect from someone that models himself on a 80's gameshow host.

Please don't take out on me the fact that you are on the "At Risk" register..... and as regards to the shorts, I bet you still wear Speedo's. Like your car, your hair and dress sense belongs in the museum!





Keep the abuse coming sausage jockey!

 

Fag ass

it make no difference , i only need " one" diff to beat you not 2

your car is still a snail made with " cadburys the best chocolate pistons " and a loverly gearbox that can take loads of power... not

well we might lose alot of bhp through the transmission but it's still enough to beat you because you can't drive and you know it
stop trying to kid yourself

you could have a wrc spec works scooby with all active diffs and you wouldn't catch the lenny because you can't drive

simple as robo chef another 1980's product

bring it on fudge packer the lenny ready for you

we all know your sold your tractor because you couldn't drive it

it only had 2 wheels driving the car which were the back ones



Lenny

 

I think he has three...

 

Azrael

your right

 

Lenny,

Like your car your knowledge of the newage Scoob's is prehestoric.

My standard (apart from turbo) newage engine taking in excess of 380bhp (soon to be more), with zero lag.... of course the closest your car ever got to zero lag was on a T3 turbo running out of puff at 4k rpm!

Standard newage g/box takes in excess of 500bhp!

Get your gay arse down to "ScoobyNet Live / ScoobyShootOut" and see if you can better my car around the handling circuit...... other scalps are already lined up, so you may have to join the back of the queue!

Of course this is all banter as Lenny and I always take the P out of each other....... but then you can't get away from the facts I have stated though Lenny!

 

Pmsl at the arguing.

Is it possible to put a r34 gtr rear active diff on a cosworth as there was talk about it a bit ago but couldn't it be done?

 

fagin

I know they are good cars mate

you know i'm only takeing the piss... it's all good fun i'll catch up with you sometime for a good old chat

Marco

 

quality dad!