Just fitted my AP clutch as the alcon lasted 5 mins...

gone from a standard cover & Alcon 6 paddle
To a

Heavy Duty AP cover and AP 6 paddle

The AP one feel's much better than the previous and grip's very nice....defo an improvement as the car change's gear better too

Shame the car doesn't in this heat

 

have been advised to hange from my alcon to AP next time my clucth goes

 

Don't you think that this post is a bit premature until you have finalised testing . Will look a bit silly if in three days time you start posting how it has also only lasted "five minutes" . You should at least wait until it has surpassed the Alcon in longevity .

And I'm not biased, as I sell both clutches .

 

Mike, i am not posting about how long it lasts, was a post about feel, grip and gearchange.

All is better with the AP

 

I bet a standard one feels just as good .

Keep us posted if it outlasts the Alcon .

 

Standard one won't take 500bhp though will it

 

That is my point, as the AP one is only rated to 385Nm (284lb/ft) .

 

aaaaaaah the claw there yi are!

i cant even remember whats in mine

alcon 6paddle i think

 

My Alcon hasn't done many miles, but it's very nice, no judder, no sudden engagements......Really nice for a strong clutch

 

I use the ap 6 paddle, with a standard cover, took a while to bed in but its fine now.

 

One in mine is not the one your looking @ mike

Its rated at about 380lb/ft i think.....

 

alcon in mine and seems fine... not done many miles tho..

 

This is the one I am referring to: CP2015-10 (Sierra / Escort Cosworth clutch)? What one is yours?

 

Is that all

 

Mike, i will look @ the box's tonight and post mate.....but its not that one.

 

that was your problem with the alcon - only half a job was done in the first place. the ap unit you seam to have fitted correctly, people cant expect an uprated clutch to work without the whole kit.
as for the figures ap quote for there torque ratings, we all know that there very conservative.

mark

 

Mark, was done this way because when we tested the alcon with the alcon cover it was worse than with the standard cover. So its not like we haven't tried this.

 

Mark,
I completely mis-read that, I always thought he was running the full kit . In that case, Dingly you spaz, you should be looking at the OE cover, as Ford switched to Sachs several years ago (from AP Borg & Beck) and these are barely able to take stage 1 power, so I am not surprised with your findings .

 

OK the standard cover has lasted better than the alcon cover.

My standard cover was not a sachs either

So again

 

well my experiance has always been in fitting a pukka kit, not mix and match, they are built together for a reason, out of interest what was the problem with the complete alcon setup ?

its all irrelevant to me as i have a twin plate ap, so dont have any clutch problems. just trying to see what people get away with.

 

If one thing is better for an application then its better - regardless of mix n match IMHO....if it works it works - simple init

The alcon didn't last long thats all, as soon as we up the power it turns to shit LOL

 

I run the alcon 6 paddle with the alcon heavy duty cover as Mike told me Nice and light..surperb...in Ebay style A+++++++++

 

so it was justa case of not suited for the application. but as for mix and match, i wouldnt bother, i believe in doing the job once, not taking it out and swapping std ford parts with uprated competition parts until i get it something like, its just a clutch, it onlt has one job, if its not up to it, but one that is. as you now have done

 

Steve,
So what AP clutch is yours then?

 

my alcon stick open for a split second longer than it should at gear changes over 7k.

mark found this out when mapping the car and mentioned that he had had this prob before.

Ap cover will fix it.

 

I have an alcon 6 paddle with a ford cover (ap, not sachs) and its more than up to the job, my car is over 390 lbs/ft

 

The reason for this is that the Alcon heavy duty cover when used aggressively in a powerful car can be too much for the standard ratchet mechanism. Ideally, you want to hydraulic the clutch. Not only will you never have this problem, but it extends the life of the clutch .


Yep, it certainly is. The Borg & Beck Ford clutches were the dog's dangly bits .

 

AAAAAA+++++++from me aswell

i ran the complete alcon kit with cable operation...(not a plate and an oe cover) right up until i fitted the 7 speed and had no complaints at all and it was used for loads of launches with around 550bhp

i also breifly tried an ap cover and it was back out in under a week...heavy as fuck

 

cheers for the info mike!

how much to change to hydraulic?

 

Mikes right , this problem cost My car a win in the totb1 drag final.

 

Euan,
Prices are on my website you lazy git . See under the "Transmission" section.

 

My tests so far are all positive....

I have a hydraulic Clutch, but one using the original release fork, which is not idea but cheaper than the central push item.

I have tried this with...

Alcon Cover and Plate

Borg&beck Cover and Alcon Plate

Heavy Duty AP with HD AP 6 paddle

The AP so far is the better to launch and for general feeling, will have to see how like it lasts but so far this AP one is mint.

Sorry mike, forgot to look on the box for the part number as i was busy blowing boost hose's off 2 degree's inlet sure does make the car a bit dangerous

 

Don't forget, because if it proves to last a decent time, I might try it as well next time .

 

checking it out now mate