Top & bottom of it is - i've just been flashed by a speed camera, i know the cameras there as i pass it quite often but my speedo's been playing up recently like it works for a while then it jumps about all over the place so you cant get a correct reading!!

I reckon i was probably about 4 mph over if that (40 mph dual carriageway) i didnt think i was speeding at all.

So basically is there anything i can do to get out of it or is a case of having 3 points on my clean license?

Then about 2 mins after that i hit a fookin hugh pot hole in the road & kerbed my rim Not a good day
(can i claim against the council for my damaged rim)?

Thanks people.

 

you will need to back to the pot hole, stick a ruler in and take a pic to show the depth, its gotta be about 6cm deep i think before you can claim

i cant remember

as for the sppeding, if you wernt that far over you may not hear from them, if so it will say your indicated speed

 

Think you can claim against the council for the rim. but you need pictures of the pot hole etc with a ruler in it so they can see how deep it is. Don't think anything can be done about the speeding ticket as they could say you shouldnt of been driving if your speedo doesnt work properly or something Sorry mate

 

yes you can claim against the council mate just remember to keep receipts of the alloys and work carried out to fix it and you should take pics of the damage and the pot hole before you claim just incase the council fix the pot hole!

as for the camera did you smile! only messing did it flash once or twice if once your fine if twice pray its a dummy!

goodluck

Cheers,

Hardeep.

 

Not good news AJ

iirc correctly if your speedo doesn't work properly your car is seen as not road worthy (Or something long them lines)

Take lots of pictures of the pothole as Dan has recommended, also use a measuring device as it gives the picture some scale!

Good luck

 

Thanks for the advice people - the speedo only plays up now & again, it's been working fine all day

Right it looks like i'll have to accept the 3 points then

No more clean license for this driving instructor

Singh - no i didnt smile i was cursing like fook

I'll have to go back to the place with the pot hole with a ruler & camera then (should i take a copy of the newspaper to proove the date)?

 

If you do get a NIP throught the door then use the PACE statement instead of their stupid forms and this should end up with the case being dropped.

PACE statement can be found on http://pepipoo.com

 

If you use a digital camera i'm not sure if just turning the date stamp on would suffice?

 

10% of 40 = 4

If you are absolutely certain you were doing 44MPH you've got nowt to worry about.

They allow a 10% margin of error that all speedos have.

 

It's 10% + 2mph as far as I know.

 

Snowy_Astra
So your allowed 10% but if it flashes does that mean your over the 10% allowance or do they calculate it after they look at the pic?

-scar-
What's pace mate?

 

It shouldn't flash unless you're over the full amount. Like I said, unless it's changed very recently it's 10% + another 2mph you're allowed. So 46 in a 40. But your speedo should be a good few mph out so if you got flashed for 46 i'd expect your speedo to be over 50 (if it was working)

 

Depends who the wally was that set it up. Really they should be set to go off at 45mph (if the limit is 40mph), but you always get some jobsworth who has it spot on 40mph.

Wait for the NIP, If its not there in 14 days, you're off scot free If it comes, look at the speed read out on the photo (if they include one) If there is no photo, request one.


As for the 10% + 2mph, not really sure about that TBH. I can't see it being right as motorway limits are 70mph, so that would be 77mph + 2mph = 79mph. I know people who have been done at 80mph.

 

You get done at 79mph so 80 is a no no. Basically the 10% + 2mph is the point at which you get done. So 35 in a 30 is when you get flashed. The 10% +2mph info was directly from a traffic cop so make of it what you will. I know its supposed to be changing to something different soon though

 

Wasn't doubting you, Just saying it doesn't sound right.

How well do you know this traffic cop?

 

I know mate. Sorry if I made it sound like i thought you were.

Very well mate.

 

lol no worries, Its hard to convey emotions on a forum

As for knowing the copper, thats ok then. i thought you got told by some random when you got pulled

 

Nah, was someone I know really well. As far as I know the 10% + 2mph thing still stands but was supposed to be changing.

 

I just hope the camera flashed someone on the side it was on & not me (the camera was on the opposite side of the dual carriageway) but there was lines on my side too.

So if i dont hear anything within 14 days it should be ok?

 

was it in the middle of the carriageway or the far far side? was it only single lane going each way or was it still 2 lanes on each side?

 

It was on the far side mate & there was 2 lanes on each side & i was in the 2nd (overtaking) lane as i could see a car in the 1st lane with it's hazard lights on in the distance.

 

So it was 2 lanes away from you? Was it the normal gatso type camera?

 

Yes mate 2 lanes & the central kerb lol & it was the normal gatso type.

 

Personally mate i'd say i'm 99% certain that the camera couldnt have got you from that far away. I don't think they can see the white lines on your side of the road as the angles are all wrong and it needs the white lines to work out your speed.

If there was cars on the otherside of the road I should think it was one of those that set it off. And you're in the clear. All fingers crossed mate I reckon you'll be fine. (touch wood)

 

89XR2 I hope your right mate (touch wood)

Has anyone been flashed by a camera on the opposite side of a dual carriageway & gotten away with it?

 

the "10% + <enter number here>" is force dependant.

Norfolk operate at 2mph.

Suffolk operate at 1mph

IIRC

So its down to the individual area.

 

Little Fella

If the GATSO went off while you were going towards it then you are fine.

 

Even if there were lines on the side i was on?

& rofl @ little fella

 

Yup

Even if lines.

I gone towards one at well in excess of the limit in the early hours with lines on my side of the road.

Camera gone off and nothing.

This was 2 years ago.

 

AJ - The normal gatsos only rake a rear end picture of your car.

 

I set the one off on dereham road near the garage one night going towards it. No lines though. I found out later that night that one of my mates had spoken to the guy who set it up that day and he had been f'ing and blinding that the sensor had been knocked out of alignment so it was pointing on the wrong side of the road

 

Lads - i hope your right

A beer for each of you at central day (if ive still got a clean license)

 

I have done the one the other end of Dereham Road, near the car sales. This has (or had) lines.

 

If the gatso was on the other carriageway then you have nothing to worry about whatsoever

I deliberately set every one I can off!

Neil.

 

AJ don't ever rely on your speedo reading for anything, a high percentage of them aren't callibrated properly anyway and especially the Jap ones. My speedo reading on the Evo is 5-6mph out compared to the GPS reading on my Road Angel. On a Mitsi Pajero I had, it was 10mph out.

On the cossie with 17" wheels the reading is 3mph out, but with 18" wheels the speedo matches the GPS reading.

 

AH you didnt say you were DRIVING TOWARDS IT

if so they cant do fuck all mate.

i got flashed by a camera i was driving towards while overtaking at slightly more than the limit

heard nothing and it was fookin ages ago

 

Speeding is an absolute offence - that means that there is no legal margin but the Association of Chief Police Officers agreed the 10% + 2mph guideline some time ago. They don't all follow this guideline though, and margin of error on a speedo isn't a defence either.

If we want to change this, we need every driver in the country to spend a day or two 10% under the posted limits and watch the country grind to a halt!!!!

As for the damaged alloy, the council is only liable if they can be shown to be negligent - ie they knew the pothole was there and likely to cause damage, but did nothing about it. If they can argue that they hadn't been told, that is all the defence they need. Fire the claim in quickly and they may pay up just because it is cheaper/easier (it isn't their money after all and they can just stick a few quid more on Council Tax next year).

However if they reject your claim there may be another way to beat them...

In Scotland we have a Freedom Of Information bill. If you have something similar in England, and if you ask the right questions like "What road examinations, repairs and maintenance have been carried out at...", and "Have you had any road defects reported at .... between these dates...", and "Provide details of any claims for accidents or vehicle damage at this location, and the outcome of these claims" ) they have to answer.

It's been very interesting in my case so far - I now have it in writing that my accident was the 8th similar incident at the same place in 18 months, including a guy on a motorbike who was hospitalised. I also have it in writing from one of their road engineers to their claims department that a bollard is in the wrong place and could be moved, but they didn't! (And even if I don't win I'm thoroughly enjoying winding them up!)

 

The 10% +2mph was an unwritten rule of thumb the police used. Thanks to wankers like Roadpeace and Transport2000 who challenged this ruling you are quite likely to get done for 31mph in a 30mph limit. Tossers

In Herts you have to be a reasonable way over before the Gatso will go off (40mph in a 30 is the normal trigger speed from the info I was given). Herts use no dummy camera's at all if you get flashed you will get the NIP.

Never mind there is always section 2 of PACE

 

AJ - oh didnt know the camera was on the otherside, you'll be fine mate, i've done it plenty of times

 

AJ, if the gatso is on other side of road, its funny to set it off from the opposite side.

Told my lad to smile for the camera and floored it other side of the road

His face was a picture "But it got you daddy"