turbobill

Hello, been thinking of doing a 2.0 silvertop zetec turbo conversion to my s2 escort, question is, can zetec internals cope with a turbo and if so, what sort of decompression plate and head bolts do i use?? And how much boost can i run with standard internals,on a t3 garret turbo and management side of things, which is the best way to go? I was kind of thinking megasquirt or megajolt? As these are not to expensive and proven to show good results, cheers for any help, bill

Rsturbowayne

Contact karlos g he's doing one on my rs turbo as we speak, hopefully finished soon. Or look on FRENZY PERFORMANCE TUNING mines on there.

mk1trb

max boost for stock cast pistons is 1 bar but tht'll be plenty quick enough.

turbobill

That be more then enough for what i want yea. Id properly only run ten psi, would this last though with standard internals? Or is it a case it be good for a few months n then blow up?

turbobill

Another question... Could i use a fiesta rs turbo inlet? And use fiesta turbo management? Sorry for all the questions, new to the zetec side of things lol
Bill

rsmark86

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strip engine and have c20let pistons fitted with standard rods and arp rod bolts.
devil developments valve springs for "silvertop" they are different from blacktop
fit back together with frs gaskets and new cambelt kit and water pump

blacktop zetec inlet (one piece model) fiesta rst fuel reg
exhaust manifold adaptor plate or head drilled and tap head.

dont bother with decomp plates that route is pants and everyone i know has blown theres up.

follow this route or go down the same as karlos g

st170 bottom end
blacktop head
frs 1.8mm headgasket
better valve springs
black top zetec inlet with fiesta rst fuel reg

i think you need a reverse water pump on black top but dont quote me?

the roose motorsport do conversion hoses off the shelf and a guy on ebay sells cvh thermostat housing to zetec head adaptor plates


as for management the cheapest way would be to get a megasquirt ecu kit from boostmonkeys and have karlos g fit it and mapp it......

dont bother with ofab as a zetec turbo chip alone is £250

turbobill

Ah okay then, completey different to how i thought i could do it lol, learning curve for me i guess. And i may as well do it right the first time, how much would it cost then roughly for the conversion roughly? The first one you mentioned?? Cheers bill

studabear

I estimate about £3000 for getting my zt in and running and mapped etc

Rsturbowayne

Not sure how costing at mo but a lot less than last thread, my mondeo silver top with my fiesta turbo on top should be half that amount,
( hopefully)

rsmark86

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can be done for alot less if you hunt hard and research......

its the ancillarys that add up but if you already have a turbo car then use your exhaust and turbo and boost pipes, gearbox ect

so needed is bottom coolant pipe (roose motorsport) £130 for kit but only need bottom hose so £80/90
thermostat adaptor kit £26
blacktop inlet £35 plus £50 to make charge carrier?
fiesta rst fuel reg £20
decent cooler and rad (second hand) £200 if not already got it?
drill and tap head for manifold .... free or £95 for adaptor plate
efi flywheel £20/30 ap 4 paddle £100 (second hand) £300 new

st170 bottom end £150
blacktop head £50
frs gaskets/ standard head bolts/ timing belt kit £150 trade + normal? (its what i paid) add £50 too this as im not sure on the 1.8mm price?
valve springs??? anything from £50 too £250 depending what you want

i got gotech mfi pro with uprated map sensor and braided loom with launch control delivered for £260 (which is now running - )
£20 for relays and connectors ect

this would also mean fitting it all yourself and modding parts that you have to work on the conversion, like if you have a front mount and alloy rad it would save enough to buy a brand new clutch kit and i would advise to just spend the extra money on a set of devil developments valve springs


then remember looking at his avatar, he has a s2 so all his cvh and mfi bits and pieces not being used would most likely bring in £500 towards the project..........

if you was starting from scratch with nothing in the engine bay i would say £3k is spot on........ due to the price of mapping

rsmark86

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i had a zetec with calibra turbo pistons to start so mine is alot cheaper

but i got gotech mfi pro for £260
dd valve springs for £150
coolant hose kit £130
4x4 cossie turbo £150
3"down pipe kit £65
relays and odds and sods £30
stage 2 rad £150
frs gasket and plugs and timing belt kit for £150

but then sold the ofab, t3 and so on

studabear

its all the little bits that add up

rsmark86

iTrader: (3)

tell me about it......... i read everyones threads and adapted it too mine

and dubs44 on here helped modify loads of stuff on mine to save having to change things, so i saved massively

i think if you get a price always add £500 for stuff you didnt think of

studabear

mines on the rollers tomorrow at msd, so hopefully will find out whats achieved.

rsmark86

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who mapped it? its m/s isnt it?

studabear

Rick off this site mapped it, yeah its on squirt.

rsmark86

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nice, whats the spec and what you hoping for?

studabear

st170 bottom, arp's, cometic 1.5 mm gasket frs inlet, siemens deka's stage 3ish t3 etc etc

rsmark86

iTrader: (3)

should be 250+ with loads of torque....... very punchy?

studabear

that will do fine, boosting 1bar, clutch slipped at 18psi.

Alcon 6 paddle with standard cover.

rsmark86

iTrader: (3)

needs a proper cover, but makes them drive like shit

stiil a quick car?

im looking for around a bar of boost in mine but with cossie 4x4 t3 so wont be as punchy but should have a good bit of top end

studabear

feels quick to me lol, traction is a issue at times

rsmark86

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i bet, i loved my budget spec with the stage 1 t3 lol zero lag, it flew off the line

but it just ran out of puff after 5k so needed a revamp

so im hoping i can have a nice 240/250bhp without trying to push it too far

crazycage

Project rs has cover that will work mate

Karlos G

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turbobill.... what's your target BHP? This will determine how you do it, what you need and what it will cost.

Waynes for example is a low power, low budget build that will make around 200bhp and cost around £1600-£2000 but that's with labour and he already has new management, if you can do it all yourself then it would of course be much cheaper.

Both Mark and Stu speak of around £3000 which is about spot on for a stronger, bigger power build and thats doing all the spanner work themselves, if they had labour on top of that it would be £4000 plus.

rsmark86

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And nothing has gone right in the build and everything has needed work to work right

studabear

You will get there in the end dude.

rsmark86

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Hope so, just need to wait for mapping as I'm moving house, so might be after Christmas now unless I can get a mate to do it cheap


How did you get on at msd today?

crazycage

Well done today mate ,room for improvement too

Karlos G

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Look at his Sig

studabear

yeah I think it surprised a good few people today,

rsmark86

iTrader: (3)

Nice torque that, bet that's fun on the road

Just need my gotech mapped so I can go out and play

crazycage

Holds the power well

turbobill

Karlos- not to sure yet, havent worked one out, just fes up with my cvh keep going wrong lol, so just working out what the best route would be and i thought a fair few people are going zetec, so was just looking into it,
Bill

Karlos G

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Yeah if your not worried about staying CVH then Zetec is a much better option, more reliable, economical, responsive, better in every way!
If you decide how much power you want then we can give you a much better idea of what you need and what it will cost mate.

turbobill

No im not worried about cvh, like you said, thats why i like the idea of zetec as its newer and stronger etc
Realstically id be happy with 200-220 bhp so nothing big, more so just want a reliable engine, whats not going to cost me a bomb to build,
Quick question slighlty of topic, took the head. My cvh last night and poured oil into the bores to see if my rings have gone, how long do i give it before i say wether or not they gone? Cheers bill

Rsturbowayne

With buying the engine £?, new ecu £380 clutch £100 engineering and labour
All this your talking between £2-21/2 thousand.approx which gives you approx 200 bhp, that's what it's costing me at mo.
I had a fiesta turbo and luckely karlos got me a good 2.0 zetec from a mondeo for £100

studabear

What do you mean wayne?

Rsturbowayne

The amount it's going to cost depends on what u have already, how lucky u r finding the parts , engineering for the zetec to take the turbo and labour costs.

It all adds up.

rsmark86

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I would look for c20let pistons, overbore the block to 86mm to use them and fit arp bolts, get the rods modified to work with the vauxhall pistons, frs gaskets and for 200bhp you wouldn't need up rated valve springs, but while its apart its mad not too, fit 1.8 sump, oil pump and pick up too
Devil developments do some really good springs for £150 Ono on ebay (£100 cheaper than blacktops)

Or ...... Go same route as karlos as these are the cheapest routes that actually work and will give you scope for reliability and future mods, especially if your fitting an aftermarket management