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Old 25-10-2011, 08:34 AM
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Default Zetec sumps and flywheel question

Morning guys

Just need to know a few things

Im going 2.0 blacktop zetec turbo with a mondeo engine in my s2

Firstly flywheels.
I understand I need a 1.8 zetec one.
Can I use a cvh efi flywheel and open up the bolt holes ?
If so can I do it myself or does it have to be done by an engineering company ?

Also sumps
I need a 1.8 zetec sump and pick up.
But Is a 1.6 zetec sump And pick up the same ?

And thirdly cams

My head is missing the u brackets that run between the cam lobes to bolt the cam shaft down ( the bearing cap things) lol.
Can I take these from any zetec head ?

I've been offered a free 1.6 zetec lump you see so I'm seeing if it's worth getting to use any bits

Cheers guys

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Old 25-10-2011, 08:43 AM
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afaik the cam caps are individual to the head so unless you have it linebored (sp) I suggest finding another complete head.

What management are you gonna use, mfi rs turbo flywheel has no pick up/trigger setup
Old 25-10-2011, 06:37 PM
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What is line bored ?

And I'm running omex
Cheers mate
Old 25-10-2011, 06:41 PM
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google it, I understand what it would entail but describing it is another thing
Old 25-10-2011, 06:46 PM
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1.6 sump, pick up pump, water pump and flywheel all fit.
Old 25-10-2011, 06:54 PM
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silvertop that is......
Old 25-10-2011, 08:33 PM
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I got a blacktop ,and if it's true I have to junk the head cos the cam caps are missing I'm gonna be seriously fucked off.
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I will have a 2.0l silvertop for sale next month with a 1.8 sump with oil returns fitted. Ł150
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Originally Posted by stevealien
I got a blacktop ,and if it's true I have to junk the head cos the cam caps are missing I'm gonna be seriously fucked off.
as a rule afaik the caps are individual to the engine/head, but you could speak tomachine shop etc
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Originally Posted by studabear
as a rule afaik the caps are individual to the engine/head, but you could speak tomachine shop etc


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Thanks for info so far guys

Stu, cheers for asking the question on the other site , appreciate that mate.
Hopefully I'll get away with it , I'll speak to my machine shop
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Spoke to the machine shop and they reckon the head is scrap without the original cam caps.
The line boring is done at factory from new , and to be done would cOst hundreds.
And apparently if I was to buy new cams I would use the old caps so that doesn't help me either.
Just gotta hope the guy I got the engine off of can find the caps as they are numbered
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Ah shit news man, hope he has got them somewhere. Suppose another head will be easy to get hold of but its more costs.
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So what's my sump options guys ? Only a 1.8 zetec or is 1.6 the same ?
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Caps can not be swaped from head to head and must also be fitted in the place they are removed hence they are numbered.

You can use a 1.8 or 1.6 sump if you are using a silvertop engine yes.

You can also use a cvh efi flywheel yes but you will still need the 1.8 cps and bracket
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iv got a 1.8 sump with a breather on oil return welded on the front and a breather on the back if anyone wants to make an offer
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Originally Posted by clarke5700
Caps can not be swaped from head to head and must also be fitted in the place they are removed hence they are numbered.

You can use a 1.8 or 1.6 sump if you are using a silvertop engine yes.

You can also use a cvh efi flywheel yes but you will still need the 1.8 cps and bracket
i am using a blacktop engine mate.
so i need a sump from a 1.6 or 1.8 blacktop or silvertop?

and i need the cps from a 1.8 blacktop?

cheers for your help
Old 29-10-2011, 12:16 PM
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just use the blacktop sump, i've used a 1.8 and 2.0 one look the same.

are you using a ib5/bc gearbox? the 1.6/1.8 focus flywheel is 220mm.
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I have a blacktop head here mate, came with my zetec engine but its 1.8,no good to me as im only going zvh.
If its any good whatsoever your welcome to it for free mate.

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Originally Posted by Statey
I have a blacktop head here mate, came with my zetec engine but its 1.8,no good to me as im only going zvh.
If its any good whatsoever your welcome to it for free mate.
very kind of you to offer mate but i need a 2.0.
thanks anyway,much appreciated
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Originally Posted by luke19790_3
just use the blacktop sump, i've used a 1.8 and 2.0 one look the same.

are you using a ib5/bc gearbox? the 1.6/1.8 focus flywheel is 220mm.
im using the standard rst gbox for now,although i do have 2 mtx75 boxes which i will be working on in the meantime.

i thought the rst exhaust wouldnt pass under the 2.0 sump?
doesnt the 1.8 sump have a step in it?
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With 1,8 sump you must also make a elbow for downpipe.
1,8 and 2,0 heads should be the same, only camshafts are different.
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