custom inlet and exhaust manifolds where from and how much?
29-11-2010, 06:58 PM
#123
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i doubt that very much iam sure you would still see a improvement say using ians manifold than a standard ford one even at standard boost pressures as it has velocity stacks a far more smoother inlet and headers , plus the inlet plate is tappered which all helps improving the flow , have you ever put your hand inside of a standard manifold? they are rough as fuck. i will be honest though and say these manifolds come into there own at 20psi+ and i will also say how many people run standard boost? not many i think lol
cheers paul
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29-11-2010, 10:12 PM
#124
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29-11-2010, 10:26 PM
#125
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i doubt that very much iam sure you would still see a improvement say using ians manifold than a standard ford one even at standard boost pressures as it has velocity stacks a far more smoother inlet and headers , plus the inlet plate is tappered which all helps improving the flow , have you ever put your hand inside of a standard manifold? they are rough as fuck. i will be honest though and say these manifolds come into there own at 20psi+ and i will also say how many people run standard boost? not many i think lol
cheers paul
cheers paul
29-11-2010, 11:00 PM
#126
Lol, sorry couldn't resist. You managed not to write in txt the second time round though
Think Karlos meant the manifolds seen on the other page have been on a few peoples cars and seem to have made a positive difference, ProjectRS for instance runs 2 bar (or more?) and hasn't hurt his engine because of lean mixture on one pot. Although as pointed out nothing has been flow tested, so we don't know.
Think bad distribution would become more of a problem on boost, not to mention critical on boost fueling, go lean on high boost and your in for a shitty trip home.
Rob,
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29-11-2010, 11:04 PM
#127
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30-11-2010, 12:57 AM
#129
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This is what was trying to say not sur on design of ians manifold but a lot of these manifolds are just large tubes with throttle body at one end with no design thought put into flow. At high boost levels they offer gains cause of less restriction and the high boost evens out flow to each cylinder but at low revs/boost id say they would perform lot worse than say a standard ported polished inlet giving peaky engine. And as for 4 branch exhaust at standard boost it would help to empty cylinders faster allowing for more clean air fuel to enter thus increasing power = karlos
cheers paul
30-11-2010, 08:36 AM
#130
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i see what your saying about less restriction but that isnt that true , i cant seem to find the detailed post about the ams evo with 1000bhp when they did a very indepth post about designing inlet manifolds , how they did back to back testing on everyone they made , they looked at tappered runners , different angled runners , different sized runners , different lenghted runners , many thrumpet shapes and sizes , and volume capacity of the inlet and you would think that the largest inlet on a 1000bhp engine was the best (not silly oversized either) but it simply wasnt the case as each different component gave the engine more and more power as they fine tuned it , there was so many factors including fueling we could talk for hours and hours. on my old t34 zetec turbo engine running around 300bhp at 19 psi with a rs1800 ho inlet ian said that his inlet should see it add another 30+ bhp on my engine with the map tweaked to keep the fueling up to scratch and with no other mods and people may say yeh right but carismadaves fiesta turbo was the same spec as mine but with ians custom inlet and that made 355bhp at the same boost. like you said anyone can fabricate something and if there willing to put the time and effort in they can clearly build something that works , but dont think that ford stuff is great every part thats used on these cars is built for comfort , economy , and designed for the power output of the the orginal engine (130bhp) fiesta turbo , rs1800 inlet etc etc thats why they will only reach certain power levels then it the next stage.
cheers paul
cheers paul
tweaking his. im just saying a lot of stuff on sale for rs's and cosworths is just shiny shit with no testing and no proven results. And you'd be better off saving your money and buying products with proven results.
And i know from a personal point as at the min as im redesigning the inet on my zetec turbo capri and spending a lot of time working on plenium size inlet runner length and even flow to each cylinder. this is to replace a manifold bought off ebay to get it running which is basically a 3 inch steel pipe with 40mm steel runners about 50mm long no inner trumpets nothing
30-11-2010, 03:13 PM
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Interesting thread!
I feel a lot of it boils down to spec, requirements and budgets.
Some solid gains can be had on run of the mill stuff and beyond say 300bhp, i would personally be looking at options. Mainly due to flow, but also because there is no need to dunk £££££'s if you want something like 250bhp.
Someone mentioned my FRST running the AS one and it is an early development one and it works! Main reasons for me choosing it was i needed space and was upping the power. I ran a wanky XS power one that cost me £100. It coped fine with 270bhp and we saw 326bhp at 15psi.
Main issues was a lack of space and the fact it had more crack than Harlem, was constantly being repaired.
I test things to destruction and the AS one is holding up well and we have seen 350bhp out of it.
I feel a lot of it boils down to spec, requirements and budgets.
Some solid gains can be had on run of the mill stuff and beyond say 300bhp, i would personally be looking at options. Mainly due to flow, but also because there is no need to dunk £££££'s if you want something like 250bhp.
Someone mentioned my FRST running the AS one and it is an early development one and it works! Main reasons for me choosing it was i needed space and was upping the power. I ran a wanky XS power one that cost me £100. It coped fine with 270bhp and we saw 326bhp at 15psi.
Main issues was a lack of space and the fact it had more crack than Harlem, was constantly being repaired.
I test things to destruction and the AS one is holding up well and we have seen 350bhp out of it.
30-11-2010, 03:44 PM
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Interesting thread!
I feel a lot of it boils down to spec, requirements and budgets.
Some solid gains can be had on run of the mill stuff and beyond say 300bhp, i would personally be looking at options. Mainly due to flow, but also because there is no need to dunk £££££'s if you want something like 250bhp.
Someone mentioned my FRST running the AS one and it is an early development one and it works! Main reasons for me choosing it was i needed space and was upping the power. I ran a wanky XS power one that cost me £100. It coped fine with 270bhp and we saw 326bhp at 15psi.
Main issues was a lack of space and the fact it had more crack than Harlem, was constantly being repaired.
I test things to destruction and the AS one is holding up well and we have seen 350bhp out of it.
I feel a lot of it boils down to spec, requirements and budgets.
Some solid gains can be had on run of the mill stuff and beyond say 300bhp, i would personally be looking at options. Mainly due to flow, but also because there is no need to dunk £££££'s if you want something like 250bhp.
Someone mentioned my FRST running the AS one and it is an early development one and it works! Main reasons for me choosing it was i needed space and was upping the power. I ran a wanky XS power one that cost me £100. It coped fine with 270bhp and we saw 326bhp at 15psi.
Main issues was a lack of space and the fact it had more crack than Harlem, was constantly being repaired.
I test things to destruction and the AS one is holding up well and we have seen 350bhp out of it.
30-11-2010, 04:46 PM
#134
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cheers paul
30-11-2010, 09:34 PM
#135
God that looks like a lovely inlet Jano, not really going round in circles, every one has generally agreed that things need to be tested before saying they are good OR bad.
With regards to gas flow, why are throttle bodies better than one big throttle body of the same cross sectional area? is it down to gas turbulence case by one big body?
Rob,
With regards to gas flow, why are throttle bodies better than one big throttle body of the same cross sectional area? is it down to gas turbulence case by one big body?
Rob,
12-10-2013, 09:53 AM
#141
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[quote=zetaboostboy522bhp;5204851]dont get me wrong matey , people think that we are bitter rivals if you looked at previous posts lol , but i can see that his products do work aswell as his car , but i like to do things different simple as and we will continue to have different views iam sure. i just think that because 1 tuner states he knows best then everyone should listen , iam sure if someone would of said use a external wastegate on a cosworth 10/15 years ago they would of laughed , iam 99% sure they would of said the best is 909 parts but things will and do move on
you cant get better testing than on a road going car imo
heres a picture for jano iside the area six inlet
and the jenvey one (notice the same jenvey thrumpets and inlet plate)
and heres some exhaust manifold
cheers paul[/quot
I like the look of the manifolds they look weld made
you cant get better testing than on a road going car imo
heres a picture for jano iside the area six inlet
and the jenvey one (notice the same jenvey thrumpets and inlet plate)
and heres some exhaust manifold
cheers paul[/quot
I like the look of the manifolds they look weld made
12-10-2013, 01:11 PM
#142
Last post was two and a half years ago lol
If I was going for an inlet or exhaust manifold I would be looking at a crazycage set up
Qplaterst's jenvey inlet exploded the other day on a 400bhp build, so I would avoid that and go straight to gary
If I was going for an inlet or exhaust manifold I would be looking at a crazycage set up
Qplaterst's jenvey inlet exploded the other day on a 400bhp build, so I would avoid that and go straight to gary
12-10-2013, 01:44 PM
#143
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Has anyone done a back to back test on any of these manifolds?
12-10-2013, 11:26 PM
#145
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You seem to have changed your tune since page one lol strange how my chemical metal welding and bent bits of tin have found there way onto most of the fastest zetecs on here .
12-10-2013, 11:31 PM
#146
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13-10-2013, 09:42 AM
#147
A lot of people like me are trying to eat humble pie with our foot In our mouths
Hat off too you, you have some serious work going on, and the craftsman ship with the over the gearbox mani's is mental, light years better than your early stuff
As I said earlier your stuff is the only stuff to use these days with big power builds
P.s as I said I wasn't having a dig at anyone (including you) but saying things need to be proven (which yours now are)
And I did say all them years ago over the gearbox manifolds were the way to go
and now it's the trend 
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13-10-2013, 09:56 AM
#148
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I first heard about Gary's work from gadget when I first joined and bought his area six mani. He sent me a pic of the crazycage mani and straight away you have no choice but to say 1) look at that!!! 2) quality looks amazing.
Good to see people making a good name for theirselves and pioneering rather than leaving it to generic crap from large company's
Good to see people making a good name for theirselves and pioneering rather than leaving it to generic crap from large company's
13-10-2013, 09:58 AM
#149
I first heard about Gary's work from gadget when I first joined and bought his area six mani. He sent me a pic of the crazycage mani and straight away you have no choice but to say 1) look at that!!! 2) quality looks amazing.
Good to see people making a good name for theirselves and pioneering rather than leaving it to generic crap from large company's
Good to see people making a good name for theirselves and pioneering rather than leaving it to generic crap from large company's
Very true, it's always best too see stuff in the flesh and I see a mtx conversion kit he did for a mate and that was first class and very well priced
At some point I'm going too need an mtx mount kit and shafts for a frst too
13-10-2013, 10:03 AM
#150
Not Crazy, just Unwell
Like you say when it comes to the trick little bits you need he's the only one to go to! His craftsmanship and knowledge comes through in his work, that makes it second to none! So well done Gary 
13-10-2013, 11:29 AM
#156
We need them all
Gary
Project rs
Qplaterst
Stu Collins
S1 tom
Gus
Higgsy
Luca
Jano, and his lot
And all the serious builds that are going on, on here
Would be an awesome weekend, would enjoy watching all the quality stuff being built out there as much as running
Gary
Project rs
Qplaterst
Stu Collins
S1 tom
Gus
Higgsy
Luca
Jano, and his lot
And all the serious builds that are going on, on here
Would be an awesome weekend, would enjoy watching all the quality stuff being built out there as much as running
13-10-2013, 02:51 PM
#160
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If be up for that if thee cars running (bloody well should be!)
Oddkidd car with one of Gary's exhaust manifolds. Covers a few bases. Still interested to see how well the XR3i inlet works.
Oddkidd car with one of Gary's exhaust manifolds. Covers a few bases. Still interested to see how well the XR3i inlet works.