custom inlet and exhaust manifolds where from and how much?
25-11-2010, 12:40 PM
#43
the only manifolds that have been tested are the jamsport ones....
althought when i spoke to jamie to even bother with changing the exhaust manifold he said its not worth it unless you fit an equal lenth one like the over gearbox ones that keep poping up on big power stuff....
the cossie boys have had this arguement a 1000 times over swedish inlets welded up in sheds .... as jano said pay the money and get a mountune on jenvey or a hart inlet as they are the only ones that are proven.....
its why i never brought manifolds for mine because no one can prove they work... although jamsports cars times seem to surgest their the ones that work ...
but got to nms and they are running 350+bhp on 1600s with modded standard equipment
althought when i spoke to jamie to even bother with changing the exhaust manifold he said its not worth it unless you fit an equal lenth one like the over gearbox ones that keep poping up on big power stuff....
the cossie boys have had this arguement a 1000 times over swedish inlets welded up in sheds .... as jano said pay the money and get a mountune on jenvey or a hart inlet as they are the only ones that are proven.....
its why i never brought manifolds for mine because no one can prove they work... although jamsports cars times seem to surgest their the ones that work ...
but got to nms and they are running 350+bhp on 1600s with modded standard equipment
25-11-2010, 12:42 PM
#45
There is nothing motorsport about them mate. I thought you ment like 909 motorsport.
TBH they are much the same as the next "Custom manifold", none of them have had any real testing done and based more on looks than anything else. "It looks like it will perform really well, so lets just say it does"
So your back to whats the point... EFi inlet is more than good enough for 99% of the cars that we know of.
TBH they are much the same as the next "Custom manifold", none of them have had any real testing done and based more on looks than anything else. "It looks like it will perform really well, so lets just say it does"
So your back to whats the point... EFi inlet is more than good enough for 99% of the cars that we know of.
25-11-2010, 12:57 PM
#46
The reason i said they clearly work is because of their dyno results, and 1/4 mile times. They obviously do something right. I have also read that quite a bit of R&D was done by them at the time.
What test facilities do you have Jano?
I also think you should probably delete your comments regards to trade accounts. You probably are one of the biggest culprits on here for not having one. You may not 'sell' on here but nearly every one of your posts is redirecting people to your site. People like crazycage dont have a company, unlike you.
What test facilities do you have Jano?
I also think you should probably delete your comments regards to trade accounts. You probably are one of the biggest culprits on here for not having one. You may not 'sell' on here but nearly every one of your posts is redirecting people to your site. People like crazycage dont have a company, unlike you.
25-11-2010, 02:00 PM
#47
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I think jano's comments stand ground if hes in the know.my question is what about AS exhaust manifold.did they do test on this or just simply make some random statement saying you will gain a max of 20bhp depending on mods etc.. As comments ive heard slag it off even tho they gained 15bhp on fiesta turbo.
I could'nt help myself but post,seems a bit heated in this topic.I must admit most custom inlets look shocking.if you got the flow charts to prove it,fair play.I understand the basics that with uneven flow to cylinders will end your engine even if your gaining more bhp.even flow more important than power figures.this what ive understood so far.please do correct me as im always learning.
I could'nt help myself but post,seems a bit heated in this topic.I must admit most custom inlets look shocking.if you got the flow charts to prove it,fair play.I understand the basics that with uneven flow to cylinders will end your engine even if your gaining more bhp.even flow more important than power figures.this what ive understood so far.please do correct me as im always learning.
25-11-2010, 02:24 PM
#48
1/4 mile beasty!!!!
I run a fiesta turbo inlet on my zetec turbo at the minute and I have noticed ( other people with have aswell) that when using the adaptor plate the ports on the inlet don't line up the best?
I can undersand keeping the standard efi on a cvh as it's made for that engine but on a zetec turbo u have to adapt it to fit? A plastic 1.8 focus unit would be beter? Like used on the focus rs as the only differance between a normal focus inlet and an rs item is the throttle body.
I can undersand keeping the standard efi on a cvh as it's made for that engine but on a zetec turbo u have to adapt it to fit? A plastic 1.8 focus unit would be beter? Like used on the focus rs as the only differance between a normal focus inlet and an rs item is the throttle body.
25-11-2010, 05:32 PM
#53
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the only manifolds that have been tested are the jamsport ones....
althought when i spoke to jamie to even bother with changing the exhaust manifold he said its not worth it unless you fit an equal lenth one like the over gearbox ones that keep poping up on big power stuff....
the cossie boys have had this arguement a 1000 times over swedish inlets welded up in sheds .... as jano said pay the money and get a mountune on jenvey or a hart inlet as they are the only ones that are proven.....
its why i never brought manifolds for mine because no one can prove they work... although jamsports cars times seem to surgest their the ones that work ...
but got to nms and they are running 350+bhp on 1600s with modded standard equipment
althought when i spoke to jamie to even bother with changing the exhaust manifold he said its not worth it unless you fit an equal lenth one like the over gearbox ones that keep poping up on big power stuff....
the cossie boys have had this arguement a 1000 times over swedish inlets welded up in sheds .... as jano said pay the money and get a mountune on jenvey or a hart inlet as they are the only ones that are proven.....
its why i never brought manifolds for mine because no one can prove they work... although jamsports cars times seem to surgest their the ones that work ...
but got to nms and they are running 350+bhp on 1600s with modded standard equipment
you have no idea what sort of r&d we have done over the years .
and my exhaust manifolds ARE equal length.
if the inlet on richies car was half as bad as jano makes out the engine would be dead... it makes 300hp on a t34 with good spool up and a nice power band and has done over 10k this year... sort of speaks for its self there.
ill post some dada logs from 2k to 7k showing the boost and revs if some you lot do the same ???
25-11-2010, 05:46 PM
#55
PassionFord Post Whore!!
and jano point me in the direction of a thread/post were i have posted saying i can sort this or that for you ect ect ??
i cant stop other people posting up saying pm crazycage he has done this or that for me ect.
and i dont have a reputation so feel free to to explane what the prob is with richies inlet.
i cant stop other people posting up saying pm crazycage he has done this or that for me ect.
and i dont have a reputation so feel free to to explane what the prob is with richies inlet.
25-11-2010, 06:28 PM
#56
im not saying your stuff is crap im syaing to use stuff thats tried tested and proven,
have you got back to back rolling road test to see the difference as if you aint how can you say they are better than the ford equipment or better than say jamsports
have you got back to back rolling road test to see the difference as if you aint how can you say they are better than the ford equipment or better than say jamsports
25-11-2010, 06:32 PM
#57
Advanced PassionFord User
jano i personally think that you are being unfair to people on here , first of all iam sure lads like me and crazycage and others have built and tested them on there cars first before they just slap them onto other peoples cars , and if they have done there r&d and are willing to sell them whats the problem . just because your on a internet forum does not mean you are trading , i built 10 plus manifolds from word of mouth before i even joined passionford , what should i do just stop because i have a chat sometimes at night? . ive had this discussion with crazycage and rick lots of time as to which inlet is the best as i think its ian howells(in terms of fabricated) and people tell me it aint but i dont see anything or anybody telling me theyve done better than his engines, plus ian also bought a bench dyno to test his on then sold it after he built his inlet. now for the subject on is it better than standard items , then yes , there is always room for improvement , if you can buy a exhaust or inlet manifold for Ł300+ each and you get gains of 15/20bhp then i personally think thats value for money.
my manifolds have mandrel bends , equal lenght headers , 13mm thick laser cut flanges , 4-1 race merge collector , external wastegate option , fully backpurged and tig welded , then fully cleaned . now i designed and built my own as i really enjoy building shit and was willing to use my engine a the test base as it was going on the dyno , that was fine with the collector pot design like the area six one , then things moved on with the race collectors now used on some tasty engines like luca's , and as it turns out it not only looks good it works very well because he ran the same boost with just my manifold and external wastegate and made very good gains . they are around Ł750 as the race merge collectors are made by the best in the business and they cost me Ł250 to buy so i think they are resonably priced.
ive now gone to the jenvey inlet simply because i want that little bit extra from my engine , if i can get anything like the 70 bhp gain on the evo engine then its been well worth it , do i think it will then no not that much , 30/50 bhp will do me and yes it is expensine for nearly Ł2000 but thats life.
nobody forces people to buy any of these items its there choice and if the items have made some difference then its done its job like crazycages did on the lads engine above.
cheers paul
my manifolds have mandrel bends , equal lenght headers , 13mm thick laser cut flanges , 4-1 race merge collector , external wastegate option , fully backpurged and tig welded , then fully cleaned . now i designed and built my own as i really enjoy building shit and was willing to use my engine a the test base as it was going on the dyno , that was fine with the collector pot design like the area six one , then things moved on with the race collectors now used on some tasty engines like luca's , and as it turns out it not only looks good it works very well because he ran the same boost with just my manifold and external wastegate and made very good gains . they are around Ł750 as the race merge collectors are made by the best in the business and they cost me Ł250 to buy so i think they are resonably priced.
ive now gone to the jenvey inlet simply because i want that little bit extra from my engine , if i can get anything like the 70 bhp gain on the evo engine then its been well worth it , do i think it will then no not that much , 30/50 bhp will do me and yes it is expensine for nearly Ł2000 but thats life.
nobody forces people to buy any of these items its there choice and if the items have made some difference then its done its job like crazycages did on the lads engine above.
cheers paul
25-11-2010, 06:45 PM
#58
as for the airtec manifold i didn't rate that one bit when i had it. I lost 8bhp by fitting it! so i sold it straight away and went back to the standard manifold. that was a year ago with their original manifold, also was a real effort to fit due to one of the nuts had very little access and was a complete c**t to do up. but they have changed the design now so they maybe better now?
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25-11-2010, 06:45 PM
#59
im thinking the same mate if there is prove of these parts working it makes them worth having .....
im not having a dig at crazycage i was just saying that when selling parts they need the back up to prove them.....
i know hes a good lad that likes to help people out aswel
im not having a dig at crazycage i was just saying that when selling parts they need the back up to prove them.....
i know hes a good lad that likes to help people out aswel
25-11-2010, 06:47 PM
#60
as for the airtec manifold i didn't rate that one bit when i had it. I lost 8bhp by fitting it! so i sold it straight away and went backto the standard manifold. that was a year ago with their original manifold, also was a real effort to fit due to one of the nuts had very little access and was a complete c**t to do up. but they have changed the design now so they maybe better now?
but they are making a equal lenth one like crazycages at the mo but will be alot more than crazycages .... the fastford fiesta is testing it at the mo
25-11-2010, 06:56 PM
#62
be nice if we could do back to back tests with the manifolds availble...
and if anyone needs one i have a down pipe to fit a cossis style turbo to an rs left in my garage...
but definatly agree on some back to back tests at some point would be good to compare some.
25-11-2010, 07:22 PM
#69
Advanced PassionFord User
dont get me wrong matey , people think that we are bitter rivals if you looked at previous posts lol , but i can see that his products do work aswell as his car , but i like to do things different simple as and we will continue to have different views iam sure. i just think that because 1 tuner states he knows best then everyone should listen , iam sure if someone would of said use a external wastegate on a cosworth 10/15 years ago they would of laughed , iam 99% sure they would of said the best is 909 parts but things will and do move on
you cant get better testing than on a road going car imo
heres a picture for jano iside the area six inlet
and the jenvey one (notice the same jenvey thrumpets and inlet plate)
and heres some exhaust manifold
cheers paul
you cant get better testing than on a road going car imo
heres a picture for jano iside the area six inlet
and the jenvey one (notice the same jenvey thrumpets and inlet plate)
and heres some exhaust manifold
cheers paul
pmsl
26-11-2010, 08:16 AM
#78
All that i know is the old AS manifold was wank, warped the flange regularly, some peoples cracked and there was no reason for it to be any better than the standard item, it had unequal length runners and was a con. Can't comment on their new one but if i wanted to buy an exhaust manifold i know who i would talk to.
Rob,
Rob,
26-11-2010, 08:18 AM
#79
And i dissagree that the only decent manifold to get is an over box type, The manifold on page one IS equal length. AFAIK the over gearbox manifold was origionally used to get around bay space issues, and for the long runners (which need to be fairly specific lengths to take full advantage of cylinder scavenging etc.).
Not saying their not better, but i don't see them being the only option for a better exhaust manifold.
Rob,
Not saying their not better, but i don't see them being the only option for a better exhaust manifold.
Rob,
26-11-2010, 09:30 AM
#80
Agree with Rob.
Isn't over the gearbox manifolds designed pretty much solely to address space issues in the engine bay, and NOT for power? Though I'm sure it has some affects aren't they marginal?
I know of 2 (and a third one that very soon should be) cars that are making OVER 500 bhp with 'normal' style manifolds.
Isn't over the gearbox manifolds designed pretty much solely to address space issues in the engine bay, and NOT for power? Though I'm sure it has some affects aren't they marginal?
I know of 2 (and a third one that very soon should be) cars that are making OVER 500 bhp with 'normal' style manifolds.